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Who will OP the next Ground Vehicle thread?

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen
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Transnapastain
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Lubyak
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Risen Britannia
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The Alaska Colony
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The Kievan People
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:40 am

I am considering a 9K22 like mount combining the missiles from the 9K22 with a dual 40mm Bofors mount.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:45 am

Purpelia wrote:I am considering a 9K22 like mount combining the missiles from the 9K22 with a dual 40mm Bofors mount.
Good/Bad/Other?

I would personally consider the 9K22 as-is superior.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:47 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Purpelia wrote:I am considering a 9K22 like mount combining the missiles from the 9K22 with a dual 40mm Bofors mount.
Good/Bad/Other?

I would personally consider the 9K22 as-is superior.

Really? How so?
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:52 am

Purpelia wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I would personally consider the 9K22 as-is superior.

Really? How so?

40 Bofors is probably a touch past it as a weapons system, and would seriously impact ammunition stowage. The volume required for a single 40 Bofors shell could probably accommodate four to eight 30x165 rounds.
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Postby Elan Valleys » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:53 am

40mm Bofors just fires too slowly.
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Postby Ea90 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:57 am

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Then join with an alt?

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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:00 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Really? How so?

40 Bofors is probably a touch past it as a weapons system, and would seriously impact ammunition stowage. The volume required for a single 40 Bofors shell could probably accommodate four to eight 30x165 rounds.

What about the round that cheats? As in 40mm Supershot or what ever that 40mm round that is a necked up 30mm one is.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:05 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I put what is essentially a Roid Raging ZSU turret on the T-108.


Not enough 57mm.

Proper Russian overkill would be 2 57mm autocannons w/ twelve SAMs.


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It's technically NACO standard as others have mentioned. When it was realized both KC and NACO used 125 mm, we decided NACO should change to something else, and we didn't want to make it smaller, so we went up three millimeters to 128 mm.

As to who's using it, I was planning to continue using 155 mm on my new tank but the previous-generation T-74 that still equips the majority of the military can be retconned to a 128 mm gun.

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Purpelia wrote:Really? How so?

40 Bofors is probably a touch past it as a weapons system, and would seriously impact ammunition stowage. The volume required for a single 40 Bofors shell could probably accommodate four to eight 30x165 rounds.


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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:10 pm

Which would then not be 40 Bofors.
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Postby Sevvania » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:26 pm

Does anyone have a chart that shows variations in armor thickness of an M1A1 Abrams tank? What are the most vulnerable areas?
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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:28 pm

Sevvania wrote:Does anyone have a chart that shows variations in armor thickness of an M1A1 Abrams tank? What are the most vulnerable areas?


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Postby Ea90 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:30 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:As to who's using it, I was planning to continue using 155 mm on my new tank but the previous-generation T-74 that still equips the majority of the military can be retconned to a 128 mm gun.

I'm gonna' keep using 115mm, because hipsterchinaswag.

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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:33 pm

Alright than. Here is an alternate question. What do you think about taking a 9K22 and rechambering the guns in that 40mm Supershot round that's really just a 40mm shell in a 30mm one.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:33 pm

Sevvania wrote:Does anyone have a chart that shows variations in armor thickness of an M1A1 Abrams tank? What are the most vulnerable areas?

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:33 pm

Purpelia wrote:Alright than. Here is an alternate question. What do you think about taking a 9K22 and rechambering the guns in that 40mm Supershot round that's really just a 40mm shell in a 30mm one.

Awesome idea.
Will it fit in 30 Russian?
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:34 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Alright than. Here is an alternate question. What do you think about taking a 9K22 and rechambering the guns in that 40mm Supershot round that's really just a 40mm shell in a 30mm one.

Awesome idea.
Will it fit in 30 Russian?

No idea. My original would be built with 30mm Swiss anyway. And this would only be a modern upgrade to that.
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Postby Sevvania » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:35 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Sevvania wrote:Does anyone have a chart that shows variations in armor thickness of an M1A1 Abrams tank? What are the most vulnerable areas?


le armor basics

The top, back, and sides? How much more vulnerable are they in relation to one another? My friend and I are attempting to create a fairly realistic modern combat mod for Halo: Custom Edition on the PC, and are trying to decide how much damage should be dealt when striking specific areas of the tank with an RPG-7.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:18 pm

Purpelia wrote:Alright than. Here is an alternate question. What do you think about taking a 9K22 and rechambering the guns in that 40mm Supershot round that's really just a 40mm shell in a 30mm one.


Do it. I approve very much of it.
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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:18 pm

Sevvania wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
le armor basics

The top, back, and sides? How much more vulnerable are they in relation to one another? My friend and I are attempting to create a fairly realistic modern combat mod for Halo: Custom Edition on the PC, and are trying to decide how much damage should be dealt when striking specific areas of the tank with an RPG-7.


I'd reckon Side>Back>Top. I think that's the case with most tanks.

Usually the engine and the ammo storage are the most vulnerable parts, wherever they are situated.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:31 pm

Sevvania wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
le armor basics

The top, back, and sides? How much more vulnerable are they in relation to one another? My friend and I are attempting to create a fairly realistic modern combat mod for Halo: Custom Edition on the PC, and are trying to decide how much damage should be dealt when striking specific areas of the tank with an RPG-7.


Striking the front of an M1A2 with an RPG-7 is going to make you dead really fast.
The sides are a better shot, provided it doesn't have TUSK, then you have to crack the turret's side. The rear is the weaklink, however it has some limited chemical warhead protection on the exhausts. Rear turret isn't going to blow the tank up, it'll just make the blow-out panels on the rear go boom.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:34 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Sevvania wrote:The top, back, and sides? How much more vulnerable are they in relation to one another? My friend and I are attempting to create a fairly realistic modern combat mod for Halo: Custom Edition on the PC, and are trying to decide how much damage should be dealt when striking specific areas of the tank with an RPG-7.


Striking the front of an M1A2 with an RPG-7 is going to make you dead really fast.
The sides are a better shot, provided it doesn't have TUSK, then you have to crack the turret's side. The rear is the weaklink, however it has some limited chemical warhead protection on the exhausts. Rear turret isn't going to blow the tank up, it'll just make the blow-out panels on the rear go boom.

I am not so sure. There are those brand new RPG-7 dual tandem warheads that might be interesting to use. Especially if you manage to hit a weak point like the turret ring or slip one in from the side between the wheels. The front is a no go still thou.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:54 pm

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Samozaryadnyastan wrote:You're not going to go near six thousand rounds a minute of 30mm willingly.


The same can be said for 200-400 rounds of 57mm a minute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skysweeper <-- nothing can shrug this off, especially if it uses modern PELE rounds
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Postby Ea90 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:08 pm

Are most ifvs/apcs front engined or rear engined?

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:08 pm

Ea90 wrote:Are most ifvs/apcs front engined or rear engined?

I believe they are front engined to make use of ~50mm extra RHA.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:16 pm

Ea90 wrote:Are most ifvs/apcs front engined or rear engined?


Front of the hull is the most common, but it's usually anywhere but the rear due to the need for a rear hatch. Those that do have a rear engine will cram it somewhere such as under the floor, as in the BMP-3.
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