Your Nation's Main Battle Tank [Part 2]

[-Costa Estrella-]

Mobile Multi-Purpose Artillery Carriage < Should be the proper name, honestly.

Tank is just easier to say.

[Interstellar Britannia]

Wrong old boy. MBT is simply the tank that is most common in ones military. Really.

The Mark IV is an MBT just as the PzkfIV and the T-72.

The concept of the Universal Tank was pioneered by the commies in the form of the t-34, but otherwise modern MBTs are just heavy tanks.

I would consider modern tanks more like an evolved form of the Medium tank, they are relatively fast, and fill more roles than simple breakthrough.

MBTs are Heavy tanks with good engines.

Tanks are classified by weight and armament. 120mm and sixty tonnes is most definitely heavy.

[Interstellar Britannia]

Mobile Multi-Purpose Artillery Carriage < Should be the proper name, honestly.

Tank is just easier to say.

Panzerkampfwagen = Armoured Fighting Wagon.

Tank is the proud British codename to the secret Landship project that happened to stick ever since it became increasinly apparent to the dismay of many that future tanks weren't exactly Landships.

[Yohannes]

The Federal Republic of Estovakiva currently fields the AY2-1E "Panthera Tigris" Main Battle Tank and the LY4A1 Wolfhound Main Battle Tank, however the Panthera is the real MBT of the Federal-Armed forces.


AY2-1E "Panthera Tigris" - information - http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=111814
LY4A1 Wolfhound - information - http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4380#p131547

All credit goes to Yohannes and Lyras it is their designs, do please visit their storefronts as well if you are intrested

AND YEAH i did advertise for them now. , good products.

Lol, cheers mate. Understandably, i just read this now.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

I would consider modern tanks more like an evolved form of the Medium tank, they are relatively fast, and fill more roles than simple breakthrough.

MBTs are Heavy tanks with good engines.

Tanks are classified by weight and armament. 120mm and sixty tonnes is most definitely heavy.

Not really, the classification of heavy changes over time, an F-15 is almost as heavy as a B-17, a Ticonderoga class cruiser is heavier than most pre-dreadnoughts. Usage defines doctrine, not some arbitrary numbers and size limits.

[United States of PA]

All right, let's sort this ruddy argument out once and for all.

Main Battle Tank is a term utilised to describe modern tanks that fulfil a variety of different roles, thus eliminating the need for various tanks to fulfil several roles. Three-quarters of a century ago, the term didn't exist, and neither did the concept; I doubt the concept of main battle tanks would apply to an FT nation's combat doctrine either, let alone that of a nation in a century's time.

This isn't the place for FT RPers, I'm afraid. Make a Main FT Armoured Vehicle of your Nation thread if you like, but this is an MT thread.

Wrong old boy. MBT is simply the tank that is most common in ones military. Really.

The Mark IV is an MBT just as the PzkfIV and the T-72.

The concept of the Universal Tank was pioneered by the commies in the form of the t-34, but otherwise modern MBTs are just heavy tanks.

Modern MBTs are just as much a Medium tank as the T-34 and M4 sherman.

A Modern Heavy Tank would weigh almost, if not more than 100 tonnes and be armed with a much heavier gun than 120mm, probably would be a 155mm, if not a 203mm main gun.

[Interstellar Britannia]

That would be the case if there existed such a vehicle. However scaling does not go up infinitely, and just like battleships, tanks have reached their limit in size. They can go bigger, but to a large detriment.

And just like the battlecruiser, the medium tank was rendered obsolete by better engines, which allowed for protection and speed in the fast battleship renaissance of the 30s.

[Sino-Japanese Empire]

That would be the case if there existed such a vehicle. However scaling does not go up infinitely, and just like battleships, tanks have reached their limit in size. They can go bigger, but to a large detriment.

And just like the battlecruiser, the medium tank was rendered obsolete by better engines, which allowed for protection and speed in the fast battleship renaissance of the 30s.

In defense of the Mid-Tank, it wasn't obsolete while it was still in drydock.

[United States of PA]

Medium Tank, Heavy Tank, Light Tank, Recon Tank etc. all still exist as designations, its just that most non-eastern bloc nations only employs one type of tank, hence they only need to use the MBT Designation.

Most modern MBTs most accurate fits the role of the Medium Tank, like the T-34 and M4 Sherman. They are nimble, moderately armed, pretty good armor. In World War two, everything we have today would be a heavy tank except stuff like the Scorpion. Heck, in World War II the M8 Ridgeway would be a Medium Tank, but today it is a Light Airborne Tank.

Doctrine decides a designation, not weight, not armament. Remember, a Battlecruiser is a ship with the Armament of Battleship, but the speed of a Cruiser. The Medium Tank was the workhorse of a Armored Force, ie, modern MBTs. The Designation Main Battle Tank has simply replaced Medium Tank in common usage.

[Interstellar Britannia]

I'll take you word for it as you most likely know more then I. However I am under the assumption that modern MBTs are superbly armoured and that their main armament are only a few steps down from dedicated SPGs.

[Naurobia]

Our newly formed army has adopted the Leopard 2A6 as our primary MBT and the Leopard 2A5 as a secondary one and the Stryker Light Assault Gun Turret as our primary light tank.

[United States of PA]

A SPG is nothing more than a gun on a motorized platform. A Tank is a SPG if you wish to get that liberal with the term.

Tanks have been armed with up to 152mm guns before (And im not talking about M60A2 or M551, im talking of a true 152mm Cannon), does that make that T-80 mod a SPG?

Most SPGs consist of something like the Stug series from WW2 or the S-Tank. or the T95 (I think thats the right designation).

[Anemos Major]

Wrong old boy. MBT is simply the tank that is most common in ones military. Really.

The Mark IV is an MBT just as the PzkfIV and the T-72.

The concept of the Universal Tank was pioneered by the commies in the form of the t-34, but otherwise modern MBTs are just heavy tanks.

Modern MBTs are just as much a Medium tank as the T-34 and M4 sherman.

A Modern Heavy Tank would weigh almost, if not more than 100 tonnes and be armed with a much heavier gun than 120mm, probably would be a 155mm, if not a 203mm main gun.

I'm going to have to disagree, because the T-34 was in no way a main battle tank; it still required support from tanks like the IS series to defeat heavier targets.

The transition began because armament advances in the 1950s-60s meant that medium tanks could carry armaments that could defeat existing heavy tanks with little difficulty. The T-55 introduced the concept, and the T-64 became the first Soviet main battle tank.

[United States of PA]

Im not saying the T-34 was a MBT (Even though it pretty much was. Afterall, MBT just means your most numerous), im rather saying that, when you go by Medium, Light, Heavy, Recon, Airborne, etc. Designations, modern MBTs like the Abrams, Leopard, Challenger, Merkava, M60, LeCerlc, AMX-30 etc. are more comparable to the M4 Sherman and the T-34 because they are the Workhorse Tanks, or Medium tanks, just as the T-34 and M4 was.

[Munathanura]

Im not saying the T-34 was a MBT (Even though it pretty much was. Afterall, MBT just means your most numerous), im rather saying that, when you go by Medium, Light, Heavy, Recon, Airborne, etc. Designations, modern MBTs like the Abrams, Leopard, Challenger, Merkava, M60, LeCerlc, AMX-30 etc. are more comparable to the M4 Sherman and the T-34 because they are the Workhorse Tanks, or Medium tanks, just as the T-34 and M4 was.

Unless, at some point in the future, there's a need for the multiple classifications, which is what I think is what Anemos is arguing (or at least close to it).

[Anemos Major]

Im not saying the T-34 was a MBT (Even though it pretty much was. Afterall, MBT just means your most numerous), im rather saying that, when you go by Medium, Light, Heavy, Recon, Airborne, etc. Designations, modern MBTs like the Abrams, Leopard, Challenger, Merkava, M60, LeCerlc, AMX-30 etc. are more comparable to the M4 Sherman and the T-34 because they are the Workhorse Tanks, or Medium tanks, just as the T-34 and M4 was.

Unless, at some point in the future, there's a need for the multiple classifications, which is what I think is what Anemos is arguing (or at least close to it).

Or that the classification is outdated by a weapon that nullifies the use of Main Battle Tanks entirely. Anything can happen in a century; far more can happen until the advent of FT.

[Arkinesia]

The Arkinesian Confederate Army has begun the process to purchase the Lyran M21A2 Valkyrie MBT.

[Licana]

The Arkinesian Confederate Army has begun the process to purchase the Lyran M21A2 Valkyrie MBT.

Ahem.

That's from Lamoni, mate.

[United States of PA]

The Arkinesian Confederate Army has begun the process to purchase the Lamonian M21A2 Valkyrie MBT.

Takes a lot to read two lines into the writeup doesnt it?

[Arkinesia]

The Arkinesian Confederate Army has begun the process to purchase the Lamonian M21A2 Valkyrie MBT.

Takes a lot to read two lines into the writeup doesnt it?

'Scuse, I was using the corporate designation.

I paid attention. But the company is called Lyran Arms, not Lamonian Arms. Unless the OP lied to me.

[United States of PA]

The Tank is a Lamonian Tank being marketed by Lyran Arms.

It is no more a Lyran Tank than i am a Martian.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The Tank is a Lamonian Tank being marketed by Lyran Arms.

It is no more a Lyran Tank than i am a Martian.

It's Lyran in the same sense that an M16 is Colt, or an M82 is Barrett.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

The Tank is a Lamonian Tank being marketed by Lyran Arms.

It is no more a Lyran Tank than i am a Martian.

It's Lyran in the same sense that an M16 is Colt, or an M82 is Barrett.

Not really.

[Anemos Major]

The Tank is a Lamonian Tank being marketed by Lyran Arms.

It is no more a Lyran Tank than i am a Martian.

PA

why didn't you tell me

which part of Mars do you come from?

[United States of PA]

Olympus Mons

Im using to being no less than 84mi above the rest of you