Your Nation's Main Battle Tank [Part 2]

[Saphirasia]

A ox-drawn cart...with an archer on it....unstoppable.

Sniper in a tree.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

@ Senestrum: Frontal armor on that second one is positively absurd.
Also, I approve of that 'salute' image in your Photobucket.

WWII-era Russian SP artillery.
How do the SU-122 (M-30) and SU-8-152 (ML-20) sound?
Also, does anyone know of a blueprint for the SU-8-152?
I've been on the lookout for one, but can't seem to find it anywhere....best I saw was one for a 76mm AA variant.

Try Google Scholar, see if that turns up anything more specialised than standard Google.

[Galla-]

I know this is actual LOS thickness. It's pretty damned thin.

Leclerc armor thickness estimations

Abrams and base Leo2A4 armor thickness estimations (abrams lower front hull armor is like 5-600mm LOS, glacis plate is relatively thin steel but lolsloped, and also remember the Leo has addon armor packs like this floating around)

T-90 (left) and T-84 (right) turret armor:
(Image)
CBA to scale it, but it's several hundred mm at least before ERA.

Lets compare what the Merkava Mk IV turret looks like before and after they drape an ungodly fuckload of armor on it.

This isn't even getting into the really silly late-cold-war MBT proposal territory. The CATTB had side turret armor a meter thick and frontal turret armor well over a meter thick, and I've seen armor even thicker than that on some proposals.

Edit: shit like this:

(Image)
meter+ hull armor

and this
fucking stupid thick hull armor i mean christ wtf

this is the sort of armor thickness you want for a super-duper well-armored NS loltank

wat @ last tank

e: what was with the fetish for two man tanks in the 80s btw?

[Indeos]

A ox-drawn cart...with an archer on it....unstoppable.

Sniper in a tree.

Or a couple guys with spears and plate armor.

[Saphirasia]

Negats on Scholar.
>.> And Google keeps asking me if I'm searching for 'SU-85'.
...
No, I'm looking for SU-8!

Edit: Sen, you are full of win.
Edit2: I lol'd.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

this is the sort of armor thickness you want for a super-duper well-armored NS loltank

This isn't an NS LOLtank, it is an SMS tank that is a little on the heavy side, and focuses very heavily on the frontal armour.

[Senestrum]

I know this is actual LOS thickness. It's pretty damned thin.

Leclerc armor thickness estimations

Abrams and base Leo2A4 armor thickness estimations (abrams lower front hull armor is like 5-600mm LOS, glacis plate is relatively thin steel but lolsloped, and also remember the Leo has addon armor packs like this floating around)

T-90 (left) and T-84 (right) turret armor:
(Image)
CBA to scale it, but it's several hundred mm at least before ERA.

Lets compare what the Merkava Mk IV turret looks like before and after they drape an ungodly fuckload of armor on it.

This isn't even getting into the really silly late-cold-war MBT proposal territory. The CATTB had side turret armor a meter thick and frontal turret armor well over a meter thick, and I've seen armor even thicker than that on some proposals.

Edit: shit like this:

(Image)
meter+ hull armor

and this
fucking stupid thick hull armor i mean christ wtf

this is the sort of armor thickness you want for a super-duper well-armored NS loltank

wat @ last tank

e: what was with the fetish for two man tanks in the 80s btw?

The logic for 2-man tanks goes like this:

Engineer 1: "Okay, the Future Soviet Tank has a pretty beastly gun. How are we going to protect against it?"

Engineer 2: "I propose we use armor several times as thick!"

*Design work*

Engineer 1: " Well shit, this thing is fucking heavy. Now what are we going to do?"

Engineer 2: "Well... we could get rid of that fourth crewmember. We don't really need him anyways, the 140mm is too big for a manual loader."

Engineer 1: "The tankers are going to throw a fit about this, you know."

Engineer 2: "They can deal with it. The soviets have been using three-man crews forever."

*Design work*

Engineer 1: "Oh god why is this thing still so big?"

Engineer 2: "WE DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH"

Engineer 1: "But who could we possibly cut?"

Engineer 2: "The gunner. The commander is already finding the targets, so he just has to pull the trigger too! And if we go with a gun pod instead of a turret we can axe most of the turret armor and beef up the crew cab armor!"

Engineer 1: "..."

*Design work, layout testing*

Tank crews: ಠ_ಠ

[Imperial isa]

and it his those things on the side

[Almire]

Senestrum's post about 2-man crews is hilarious...

But I haz question-

Where the hell do you get all these images and stuff?

[Almire]

and it his those things on the side

Call those 'things' Smoke Mortars next time please :3 -- Nations like me are really stuck up about people calling tank, rifle, and human parts the right name.

Sorry about the double-post

[Imperial isa]

and it his those things on the side

Call those 'things' Smoke Mortars next time please :3 -- Nations like me are really stuck up about people calling tank, rifle, and human parts the right name.

Sorry about the double-post

no i bloody well not when i that not what am talking about


tank with man skirt

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Senestrum's post about 2-man crews is hilarious...

But I haz question-

Where the hell do you get all these images and stuff?

RRoan lieks research :3

[Galla-]

Senestrum's post about 2-man crews is hilarious...

But I haz question-

Where the hell do you get all these images and stuff?

Probably google images and primeportal. \:

[Imperial isa]

Senestrum's post about 2-man crews is hilarious...

But I haz question-

Where the hell do you get all these images and stuff?

RRoan lieks research :3

scary

[Anemos Major]

e: what was with the fetish for two man tanks in the 80s btw?

In this case, RRoan is wrong. It's actually deep, embedded homosexuality at the highest levels of command; two man homotanks, deep penetration etc, etc.

[Senestrum]

Senestrum's post about 2-man crews is hilarious...

But I haz question-

Where the hell do you get all these images and stuff?

RRoan lieks research :3

this pretty much

little did i know when i started roantank in fucking MARCH 2009 (note reference to Judges 1:19) that my basic research into wtf i was drawing would spiral out of control as the drawing got more and more detailed

e: what was with the fetish for two man tanks in the 80s btw?

In this case, RRoan is wrong. It's actually deep, embedded homosexuality at the highest levels of command; two man homotanks, deep penetration etc, etc.

Well yeah, but that applies to pretty much all tank stuff. Everything from crews (three or four strong, sweaty young men cooped up in a tiny vehicle with nothing to do? Mmm...), to the guns (just try and tell me Freud would not have had a field day with this), to the downright obsessive focus on penetration, to the battles they expect to fight (a massive soviet force ramming its way through the Fulda Gap against their will? Come on), the way the armor is distributed (the rear is the easiest part to penetrate? That can't be unintentional...), predominant ammo types (long, thick rods or hot jets of fluid? Please)...

Honestly, it's hard to think of a tank-related subject that doesn't have sexual overtones. I would love a serious freudian analysis of tank combat.

[Immoren]

Why discussion suddenly got such (homo)erotic tone

[Saphirasia]

Senestrum's post about 2-man crews is hilarious...

But I haz question-

Where the hell do you get all these images and stuff?

Senestrum and Sumer are basically the walking encyclopedias here.
I don't know where they get their stuff, though.
Edit:
...
um, where the heck did that conversation come from?

[Licana]

Senestrum and Sumer are basically the walking encyclopedias here.
I don't know where they get their stuff, though.

Supa research powers activate!

[Kazomal]

Wonder why the Olympians took a sudden interest in us.

[Anemos Major]

Wonder why the Olympians took a sudden interest in us.

Olympians?

[Immoren]

Wonder why the Olympians took a sudden interest in us.

Olympians?

Moderators?
Admins?

[Ularn]

Olympians?

Moderators?
Admins?

I'm imagining Reppy sitting in a cloud casually smiting trolls with thunderbolts.

[Senestrum]

Senestrum's post about 2-man crews is hilarious...

But I haz question-

Where the hell do you get all these images and stuff?

Senestrum and Sumer are basically the walking encyclopedias here.
I don't know where they get their stuff, though.

I'm glad you mentioned me, but I don't belong in the same sentence as Sumer. You know, what with me just being a bit of an enthusiast and him being an actual academic.

[Immoren]

Silly question on two man crew, I am compelled to ask. Which would be easier task to automatise/make computer controlled: Driver or Gunner?