Your Nation's Main Battle Tank [Part 2]

[The Republic of Suomus]

The above is pretty accurate.

See, listening to you guys is paying off.

Composite armour with ERA over the top would be your best bet.

Pretty much this. Not much out there is better than a full composite array with reactive armor.

[Yes Im Biop]

...you do realize how many different technologies fall into this category? Not to mention all the different incidences of 'Didn't See That Coming'.

Hah, yah I know. I went over the top on crazed tank designs. Btw, these five machine guns are mounted on the turret and on both sides of the main hull. They are good against cardboard cut-outs.





Please visit my topic: "How Many Wars Have Your Nation Been Involved In?" Sorry if I am posting any propaganda.

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ANyway.

I have some crazy designs. One that auctualy works. My APC/IFV Has 3 guns. 1 frontal 15mm 1 35mm Maiun gun and a rear mounted 15mm

[The Republic of Suomus]

I went over the top on crazed tank designs.

Over the top doesn't even explain this.
Anyhow. If you really want to turn that into a capable MBT, I can giggle the stats around and give you a full armor suite, if you want...?

[Plong]

Nah, we kick ya ass anyway... AGGH DONT HURT ME!!! Just kidding. But plz, stop arguing about mah tank and post ya own.

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Btw how do you add a signature to one of ya posts?

[Orussia]

Btw how do you add a signature to one of ya posts?

The FAQ thread is a good thing to read, bro.
As for my MBT, I've already posted it several times, and once was fairly recently. Orussia and Suomus both use the same T-94.
Although Suomus doesn't get the 152mm gun. They get the 125mm.

[Spirit of Hope]

Nah, we kick ya ass anyway... AGGH DONT HURT ME!!! Just kidding. But plz, stop arguing about mah tank and post ya own.

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Btw how do you add a signature to one of ya posts?

TOp of the screen is a bottom called "User Control Panel" click that (right under neath the "Board Index" bottom). Click edit profile, then click edit signature. Now you can edit your signature

[Plong]

Sorry. But now I have figured it out, I think. Have to read my own post first...

[Senestrum]

Modern tanks feature ERA, spall liners, armour cavities, composite armours (as opposed to solid steel plate), active and passive protection systems, and armours capable of providing almost a metre of steel-equivalent armour

Out of interest, does anyone have a table anywhere with the equivalent steel penetration thicknesses (or whatever you call them) for various guns and ammo? Ideally I'd like them for both small arms and tank guns if that's possible; I'm trying to figure out what would be reasonable figures for my FT rifles and tanks.

I am your new best friend. Keep in mind that most figures there are estimates and that RHAe is not an enormously important figure.

Well double the weight first off, and increase the dimensions.

If I were to double the weight then it mine as well be larger then the Leopard.
I just want a tank that fits the requirements of

144mm Cannon or 140mm
60MPH on road
50MPH off road
Armor that deflects 100mm rounds
And a crew of 3

The speed of modern tanks isn't limited by engine power, it's limited by wear on the running gear. Just about the only way to reduce that is to slash the weight of the tank enormously. Your tank design requirements aren't bad (aside from the very high speeds), it's just that you want to do it in something too small and light for them to be workable.

Also, hovertanks aren't that great a concept either.

In glorious FT senestrum, the roles of the main battle tank, ground attack plane, and air superiority fighter all got mashed together due to the "if you make the mistake of being seen you INSTANTLY DIE" warfare paradigm. Enormously heavily armored "planes" with incredible firepower, which fly on THRUST ALONE thanks to hilarious antimatter ramjets, are the vehicle of choice when you need something larger than an infantryman.

Couldnt 70tons of force crush a mine? Anyway. Anti Grav would be pretty useful...But what would cause it to cancle Gravity? Dark Matter?

Not Dark matter, but Dark energy should.

hahahahaha

maybe overuse of antigrav is the reason why universal expansion is accelerating XD

[Graditora]

If I were to double the weight then it mine as well be larger then the Leopard.
I just want a tank that fits the requirements of

144mm Cannon or 140mm
60MPH on road
50MPH off road
Armor that deflects 100mm rounds
And a crew of 3

The speed of modern tanks isn't limited by engine power, it's limited by wear on the running gear. Just about the only way to reduce that is to slash the weight of the tank enormously. Your tank design requirements aren't bad (aside from the very high speeds), it's just that you want to do it in something too small and light for them to be workable.

Well the size increase would be ok, but wouldn't that add extra weight?

[Plong]

Oh I forgot, we use a tank destroyer as well. The S-tank updated with a terrifying 130mm smoothboore cannon, with shells that penetrates the armor of a tank and releases toxic gas. The crew is dead but the tank is okay to salvage.

[Arbites]

The Imperial main battle tank is a T-72 with a modernized fire control system and explosive reactive armor add-ons.

[Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia]

Oh I forgot, we use a tank destroyer as well. The S-tank updated with a terrifying 130mm smoothboore cannon, with shells that penetrates the armor of a tank and releases toxic gas. The crew is dead but the tank is okay to salvage.

Most modern armoured vehicles... have to put it bluntly... NBC protection, which makes the S-tank completely redundant.

[Auttumn]

a nromal tank but it can be camoflauged well, its faster, and it shoots plasma bullets that use small amounts of nuclear energy

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Oh I forgot, we use a tank destroyer as well. The S-tank updated with a terrifying 130mm smoothboore cannon, with shells that penetrates the armor of a tank and releases toxic gas. The crew is dead but the tank is okay to salvage.

Most modern armoured vehicles... have to put it bluntly... NBC protection, which makes the S-tank completely redundant.

but if the shell penetrates and releases gas inside the tank, then it would worked...wouldn't it? i mean, gas outside of the tank well it won't go in that's true. but if it gets into the hole caused by the penetrated shell then gas released from the shell would kill them...i guess...

but i wouldn't use gas shells anyway, just killing the people inside with a shell then sending soldiers to drop gasoline into the tank and burn everything inside would work fine for us.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

a nromal tank but it can be camoflauged well, its faster, and it shoots plasma bullets that use small amounts of nuclear energy

OOC: spelling Nazi time: normal =/= nromal camouflaged =/= camoflauged

IC: nuclear shells from a tank is a no no for us :l

[The Akasha Colony]

Oh I forgot, we use a tank destroyer as well. The S-tank updated with a terrifying 130mm smoothboore cannon, with shells that penetrates the armor of a tank and releases toxic gas. The crew is dead but the tank is okay to salvage.

Most modern armoured vehicles... have to put it bluntly... NBC protection, which makes the S-tank completely redundant.

They're usually not designed to deal with gases released inside the tank.

Of course, any shell that manages to penetrate the armor is going to knock it out and make it unsalvageable anyway. That, or at the very least, its comrades will make sure to destroy it or salvage it themselves, rather than let the enemy have it. A lot of militaries will destroy their disabled tanks rather than let the enemy capture them, although it depends on how many they have in reserve, etc.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Most modern armoured vehicles... have to put it bluntly... NBC protection, which makes the S-tank completely redundant.

but if the shell penetrates and releases gas inside the tank, then it would worked...wouldn't it? i mean, gas outside of the tank well it won't go in that's true. but if it gets into the hole caused by the penetrated shell then gas released from the shell would kill them...i guess...

but i wouldn't use gas shells anyway, just killing the people inside with a shell then sending soldiers to drop gasoline into the tank and burn everything inside would work fine for us.

The Russians experimented with gas rounds for the PTRS and PTRD anti-tank rifles.
The gas capsules were usually left on the outside of the tank, with the round itself penetrating inside the tank.

Why use a gas round when you can have a follow-up DU charge that lights everyone and everything in the tank with radioactive fire?

[Kouralia]

OOC: spelling Nazi time: normal =/= nromal camouflaged =/= camoflauged

Advice: don't, do not look at Biop's posts.

[Plong]

Most modern armoured vehicles... have to put it bluntly... NBC protection, which makes the S-tank completely redundant.

They're usually not designed to deal with gases released inside the tank.

Of course, any shell that manages to penetrate the armor is going to knock it out and make it unsalvageable anyway. That, or at the very least, its comrades will make sure to destroy it or salvage it themselves, rather than let the enemy have it. A lot of militaries will destroy their disabled tanks rather than let the enemy capture them, although it depends on how many they have in reserve, etc.

What I meant by "salvage" was taking the usable armor (that does not have a big hole in it) and use it as makeshift armor platings to put on your tank. If the crew was wearing NBC suits then it woulda not worked. I was wondering, someguy hops onto an enemy tank, blowtorches the hatch open and toss in a couple of frag grenades, that'd kill the tank, right?

[Arbites]

Most modern armoured vehicles... have to put it bluntly... NBC protection, which makes the S-tank completely redundant.

but if the shell penetrates and releases gas inside the tank, then it would worked...wouldn't it? i mean, gas outside of the tank well it won't go in that's true. but if it gets into the hole caused by the penetrated shell then gas released from the shell would kill them...i guess...

but i wouldn't use gas shells anyway, just killing the people inside with a shell then sending soldiers to drop gasoline into the tank and burn everything inside would work fine for us.

Gas shells: You'd need to scrub the tanks with an NBC cleanup team, then fix the hole you made in the armor. Nope, can't think of a reason to do that.

Burning the tanks with infantry: Tank crews often die from fires in the first place anyway, usually started by exploding ammunition or fuel. Don't bother.

[Licana]

hahahahaha

maybe overuse of antigrav is the reason why universal expansion is accelerating XD

LOL

fck'n FT gonna rip the universe apart w/ divergent expansion.

[The Akasha Colony]

They're usually not designed to deal with gases released inside the tank.

Of course, any shell that manages to penetrate the armor is going to knock it out and make it unsalvageable anyway. That, or at the very least, its comrades will make sure to destroy it or salvage it themselves, rather than let the enemy have it. A lot of militaries will destroy their disabled tanks rather than let the enemy capture them, although it depends on how many they have in reserve, etc.

What I meant by "salvage" was taking the usable armor (that does not have a big hole in it) and use it as makeshift armor platings to put on your tank. If the crew was wearing NBC suits then it woulda not worked. I was wondering, someguy hops onto an enemy tank, blowtorches the hatch open and toss in a couple of frag grenades, that'd kill the tank, right?

Might as well just kill it with a normal shell then. Even so, you're going to need a blowtorch and many, many hours of work to even think about adding an enemy tank's armor to your own. You know how hard that stuff is to penetrate in battle? Now you have to try cutting through it to get it off the tank. If you can think about developing a 130 mm gas shell, you might as well just make your own extra armor.

If you try blowtorching the hatch, it'll take a while. In which time the enemy has a number of ways to respond. Tanks usually have two hatches, so he can pop out of the other and shoot you. Or open the door in your face. And that's assuming the tank doesn't already have a remote weapon system. But the frag grenades would probably destroy the electronics and kill the crew, yes. Likely not actually destroy the engine or gun, so if it's an old manually operated tank, it may still be usable. But the crew will still be dead.

[Kouralia]

Even so, you're going to need a blowtorch and many, many hours of work to even think about adding an enemy tank's armor to your own.

Awww, the days of WW2 are over then...

[Anemos Major]

Well the size increase would be ok, but wouldn't that add extra weight?

The lightest tank I know of in the modern era that was able to mount a 140mm gun was the Leclerc, and that's 55t or so. And even then it had a lulzy muzzle brake.

[Orussia]

Why use a gas round when you can have a follow-up DU charge that lights everyone and everything in the tank with radioactive fire?

I like that idea.
/me has already been working on a triple-warhead HEAT round for his 152mm gun