Military/Civilian Percentages

[Grays Harbor]

we try to keep 0.4% professional and a further 0.6% conscripts when in peacetime, but conscription will increase up to 9.6%, dependent on severity of the war. however, in a war at home, this may rise to 39.6%. however, this means lack of training is a problem.

It is very unlikely for a country to be able to mobilise more than 20% of its poplulation in war.

in a defensive war, you need everyone you can get. thats what i meant by a war at home.

Just because you need everyone doesn't mean you can get them. Most people cannot fight, or will not, and would sooner surrender. In fact, most of your people will flee in terror and seek refugee status in neighboring countries and as your enemies gain ground, in the conquered territory.

Others will simply sit around and hope for the best. Hide in basements, in the woods, whatever possible to stay out of the way. They won't grab a gun and go at the enemy tooth and nail, no matter what half of NS seems to expect out of their populations.

A) these nations are hypothetical, not real life, so i can say my people will do whatever i choose.B) i didnt ever say thats grabbing a gun and going to the front line. anything in the military. supplies, driving, even manufacturing. all necessary in a war for defence

that is also called "godmodding" if you do something so out of touch with what could really happen as to make it laughable.

[Grays Harbor]

The Kingdom maintains a military and naval force equivelent to approx. 1% of the population. A further 0.67% is the standard size reserve forces.

[Seculartopia]

we try to keep 0.4% professional and a further 0.6% conscripts when in peacetime, but conscription will increase up to 9.6%, dependent on severity of the war. however, in a war at home, this may rise to 39.6%. however, this means lack of training is a problem.

It is very unlikely for a country to be able to mobilise more than 20% of its poplulation in war.

in a defensive war, you need everyone you can get. thats what i meant by a war at home.

Just because you need everyone doesn't mean you can get them. Most people cannot fight, or will not, and would sooner surrender. In fact, most of your people will flee in terror and seek refugee status in neighboring countries and as your enemies gain ground, in the conquered territory.

Others will simply sit around and hope for the best. Hide in basements, in the woods, whatever possible to stay out of the way. They won't grab a gun and go at the enemy tooth and nail, no matter what half of NS seems to expect out of their populations.

A) these nations are hypothetical, not real life, so i can say my people will do whatever i choose.B) i didnt ever say thats grabbing a gun and going to the front line. anything in the military. supplies, driving, even manufacturing. all necessary in a war for defence

that is also called "godmodding" if you do something so out of touch with what could really happen as to make it laughable.

This is a forum where nations live inside the Realistic, RL-type domain. (Excluding PMT,FT nations, but thats a whole other field)

[The peoples homeland]

I know harsh but it's our way.

Not harsh so much as silly. If you really do have twelve-year-olds and seventy-year-olds in your army, you're advertising to the world how desparate you are. If you feel that you "need" such low-quality soldiers, then you must be very vulnerable indeed.

In Fatatatutti, our front-line troops are mostly in their twenties and our commanders are mostly in their thirties. In their forties and fifties, they need to be at home, contributing to the economy and raising the next generation. In their sixties and seventies, they need to be at home enjoying what they've spent their lives working and fighting for. Otherwise, what's the point of the fight?

Grandpa and little sister play a far more important role at home. They give the soldiers in the field something to fight for.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

The laws say as young as 12 can be consrited in to the armed forces that dose not mean that they are the front line, But if we have to we can by law send a 12 year old in to battel, but that would be a last resort along with the 70 year olds. The whole ideal of doing so young to so old is so that your nation is ready for what ever hits it. Along with that by having people go to BT for almost there intire life will help to keep them in tip top shape 9 times out of 10. By the way the at 19 they can retire from the Armed services, But they still have to do the BT every 2 years.

[Maurepas]

About 1/4 Maurepasans are in the Military, although far less, about 1/300 are actual Military Personnel, the majority are either reservists, or students...

(Maurepas' official population is 5,000,000)

[United Europe1233]

we try to keep our military above 40%....

[Grays Harbor]

we try to keep our military above 40%....

40% ??

and some folk have asked why I only RP on my home regions private forum and not here on the NS forum.

[United Europe1233]

well, we dont need it higher than 49% because of our elite forces

[Grays Harbor]

well, we dont need it higher than 49% because of our elite forces

in "real world" terms, anything more than 2-3% is considered ultra-high. 8% is considered "Total War".

40% is considered, well, "we have nothing besides the military because there is nobody left to work in anything besides uniform."

In NS terms it is called "godmodding".

[United Europe1233]

Well thats just great for you mate

Just know that its staying at 40% and as we grow it wont seem that big.

Godmodding is made up from a weak ***** that is afraid to lose.

I can run my nation how I want, I dont need to follow that shit.

A few things though,

I dont RP...
*IF* a war will every happen with us *very rare* Then we only send in about 1% of our soldiers.

Or maybe just 0.4% of our soldiers, because of our prototype super soldiers.

[Grays Harbor]

Well thats just great for you mate

Just know that its staying at 40% and as we grow it wont seem that big.

Godmodding is made up from a weak ***** that is afraid to lose.

I can run my nation how I want, I dont need to follow that shit.

A few things though,

I dont RP...
*IF* a war will every happen with us *very rare* Then we only send in about 1% of our soldiers.

Or maybe just 0.4% of our soldiers, because of our prototype super soldiers.

whatever.

[United Europe1233]

Exactly. I speak the truth.

*Imagines real life*

OMG YOU HAX1N5 G04 M0DD3RZ!!!!!!!!!!!!! YU CAN7 USE R3AL17Y!!!!!!!!!


There are no rules in war.

[Seculartopia]

There are no rules in war.

Ya, but there are limits

[United Europe1233]

in real life, theres no rules in war. Its win, or die trying

[Maurepas]

in real life, theres no rules in war. Its win, or die trying

Possibly, however, an RP consisting of "Who can make up the most shit" isnt exactly all that entertaining, tbqh,

[United Europe1233]

All I can say is, I can do what I want as long as my army isnt 100% of my pop

[Fatatatutti]

The whole ideal of doing so young to so old is so that your nation is ready for what ever hits it.

That's just the point though: If you need 12-year-olds and 70-year-olds, you're not ready. You're wasting resources on people who can never keep up.

A handful of well-trained, well-equiped soldiers in their prime are far more effective than a horde of sniveling children and geriatrics who can barely stand up, much less find the battle.

And don't think I'm saying anything against the young or the old. My own grandfather is 'Mad Max' Castro-Stalina, one the most famous soldiers in Fatatatutian history and my personal hero. He had sense enough to get out when he couldn't keep up with the forty-year-olds any more.

When you're too young or two old, or when you're wounded, you don't hold your comrades back.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

[United Europe1233]

We do train our super soldiers from the age of 5 to 29 though...

But they are better than the Halo SPARTANS....

We only recruit people 12-98, out of freedom. They can join whenever they want, its their decision.

If a draft takes place though, then people 18-29 will be drafted.

[Fatatatutti]

All I can say is, I can do what I want as long as my army isnt 100% of my pop

OOC Question: RP-wise, what can you do with 1000 soldiers that you can't do with 100? Since your opponent sets his own casualties, isn't his assessment of your effective strength more important than yours?

[United Europe1233]

I dont RP, I create a story....

Therefore I dont know... But in real life, you can do anything with anyone.

[L3 Communications]

in real life, theres no rules in war. Its win, or die trying

Well...actually...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war

Not to mention the numerous treaties that limit weapons usage such as the CWC, CCM, SALT, INF, START, etc.

[United Europe1233]

There ARE rules... but im saying on the field its kill or be killed.

[L3 Communications]

There ARE rules... but im saying on the field its kill or be killed.

This applies to everything, although in most respects its less literal.

[GraySoap]

From the Grand Duchy of Gray Soap Defense Forces "Information Website": The Grand Duchy of Gray Soap maintains 6,446,000 military personnel with an additional 19,338,000 civilian logistical support employees. The defense forces have remained this number of soldiers since the enactment of the 1999 Constitution. At the present population this represents a total of 3.48% but only .87% of the populace are in the armed forces proper. However, during peacetime only 14,503,500 are active duty, of which are 4,834,500 military personnel and a further 9,669,000 are civilian logistical support employees. At the present population this represents a total of 1.96% on active duty but only .65% of the populace are in the armed forces proper and on active duty.

[United Europe1233]

well, we dont need it higher than 49% because of our elite forces

in "real world" terms, anything more than 2-3% is considered ultra-high. 8% is considered "Total War".

40% is considered, well, "we have nothing besides the military because there is nobody left to work in anything besides uniform."

In NS terms it is called "godmodding".

Also, explain how "small" nations in this game are about 50x the size of America or China....

You call reality god modding? Climbing 10 million population in 12 hours....