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They Carry Guns - The Open Carry Question.

Postby Massena » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:24 pm

(OOC: I've been letting this dicussion get a bit semi-OOC at times, for which I apologize. Henceforth the greatest care will be taken to stay purely IC. This is not an OOC discussion, and nobody should regard it as such. Have fun, guys.)

Hi there, folks! This is Charity Brace, currently serving Chairwoman of Armed Sovereigns, the largest pro-open carry group in the Republic of Massena, and I'd like to have a moment to inquire about something important.

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I just wanted to ask what sort of laws exist concerning the ownership, keeping, and carrying of firearms by civilians in your country. You see, here in Massena we have legally unrestricted open carry. Many cities do have laws which require weapons to be kept unloaded in certain areas, like schools and shopping malls, and that makes reasonable sense, but really not much else apart from that. Most of us carry pistols and revolvers, but some of us keep rifles in our cars as well. I know I do.

Why? To exercise our rights, of course! Not to mention we seek to remind the state at whose pleasure they serve.

We also freely admit to enjoying watching the tourists from the more "civilized" nations of the world fidget when they see the guns.

Enough of my ranting. What sorts of rights do your nation's people have concerning firearms, if any?
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:27 pm

I already made this thread. :meh:






We have permissive open carry laws, semi-automatic handguns in plain view.
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Postby Massena » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:29 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:I already made this thread. :meh:






We have permissive open carry laws, semi-automatic handguns in plain view.


(OOC: Oh... Hadn't noticed, actually. Thanks for posting, anyway.)

Thanks for the information. Does that legal permission apply only to selective areas, or is it universal?

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:33 pm

Massena wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:I already made this thread. :meh:






We have permissive open carry laws, semi-automatic handguns in plain view.


(OOC: Oh... Hadn't noticed, actually. Thanks for posting, anyway.)

Thanks for the information. Does that legal permission apply only to selective areas, or is it universal?

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It's universal, but as far as the 'in plain view' goes, it's usually up to the officer's discretion. If he believes it's not in a spot easily observed he could arrest you for concealed carry without a permit. Also, anyone openly carrying a firearm is assumed to be a volunteered plain-clothes officer. They're legally obligated to assist in matters of immediate danger.
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Postby Makaar » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:06 pm

Only on-duty, specially trained firearms police, or members of the National Farmer's Union, may possess firearms in Makaar. All other firearms ownership is prohibited and taken very seriously by the police and the courts; carrying an offensive weapon of any description in public carries a custodial sentence of up to 10 years (though the average sentence is closer to nine months).
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Postby Resources and development administration » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:09 pm

Only RDA SecOps personell are permitted to carry weapons openly on RDA property
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Postby Krakosov » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:12 pm

thers no need to carry firearms in public
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Postby Sebastianalandia » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:20 pm

All combat-ready members of the National Militia have their arms at home, for emergency purposes. Ammunition, however, is kept carefully locked up in State arms depots.

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Postby Massena » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:45 pm

Sebastianalandia wrote:All combat-ready members of the National Militia have their arms at home, for emergency purposes. Ammunition, however, is kept carefully locked up in State arms depots.


Interesting, but in the event of a sudden attack, could not an enemy strike directly as those depots? Thus depriving you of God alone knows how much ammunition, and leaving the National Militia units whose soldiers relied on the ammunition stored in them at a severe disadvantage?

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Postby Dusk_Kittens » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:58 pm

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No legal restrictions on firearms or bladed weapons exist within the Heathen Tribal Confederacy of Dusk Kittens, with the exception of a prohibition on minors (the legal age of majority is 17) bearing such weapons outside the context of hunting, and weapons use and safety classes, unless on land which is in the stewardship of their parent(s) or guardian(s).

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Postby Dagnia » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:07 pm

Most prefectures in Dagnia allow people to openly carry weapons. There are no laws on the books at the national level.
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Postby The Republique Dardania and Gazmania » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:17 pm

Fuck-No! >:(

Unless their law enforcement.... :)

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Postby Massena » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:37 pm

The Republique Dardania and Gazmania wrote:Fuck-No! >:(

Unless their law enforcement.... :)


Do you really hate and distrust your own people so much? The words of Robert Peel are quite true.

"The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

Mr. Peel knew what he was talking about. A well-informed and free society is a responsible, stable society. The people are polite, the criminals hesitant. If a man is looking to shoot up a restaurant, but when he walks up to the window and sees several of the customers inside are wearing pistols, he may think twice, whereas if nobody inside is armed and there aren't any law enforcement officers in sight, what's to stop him?

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Postby Lazssia » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:40 pm

In Lazssia, not keeping a firearm on your person almost all the time is considered weird and slightly creepy.

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Postby Bajireyn » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:43 pm

Anyone over the age of 17 with the proper permits can openly carry carry semi-automatic/bolt action/energy/ or revolver handguns of calibers equaling or less powerful that .50 AE. Anything more powerful can only be carried in public by certified police officers or most marine and navy infantry/personnel/officers/pilots.that is all.

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Postby The Unified Clans » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:47 pm

Ahl Clansmen cun carre wutevar dey wunt, juz'slung az dey dunt foks et aup. Ef dey du foks et aup, weh ban em frum havin gunz und it iz den legal ta hit dem wid stiks fer bein a foskin idedgt.

Dere'z nu rool abaut hydyn wepons, but dats bein a foksin wus, und clansmen nevar du wusy dings.
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Postby Dizyntk » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:55 pm

"The Dizyntk do not have laws regarding open carry on a national level. This is left to the various Duchies and municipalities to decide. Generally however open carry is not permitted in large cities. Rural towns tend to allow it and of course one may carry anything in remote areas. We do allow concealed carry on a national level with a permit, which is fairly easy to get. As a general rule though while many Dizyntk own guns they do not carry them much. We prefer to use bladed weapons, which are completely legal to carry, or our own claws for defense."
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Postby Phonencia » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:14 pm

According to the Phonencian Constitution, any member of government restricting the God-given right to own and carry a firearm is to be executed by firing squad if convicted of violating the aforementioned right. very very few restrictions exist for firearm ownership and carry in Phonencia. The only notable ones are listed below.

persons 18 years or older with no violent felony convictions may purchase and carry any type of semi automatic rifle, shotgun, handgun or other type firearm.
persons 14 or older may do the same with written parental consent

persons wishing to carry any type firearm off their property must apply for a carry permit which can be obtained in one afternoon. the applicant simply goes to the local Sherrif's office or Police station and ask to apply for their permit. They must pass a short written test on gun safety and laws (anyone who doesn't pass is usually too stupid to be trusted with a firearm anyway) then an officer does a background check and supervises a gun safety course which applicants must take. if they have already passed a prior safety course, the applicants must take a much shorter safety demonstration of sorts to show how much they know on the subject.
finally, after this, they are given a small identification card detailing that they are permitted to carry a firearm of any kind into all but some of the highest security areas in the country. they are also given a level of experience with firearms and safety. Class-5 is least experienced, a Class-5 Permit does not allow concealed carry nor non handgun carry. Class-4 does not allow semi automatic non handgun carry nor concealed handgun carry. Class-3 allows carry of non semi automatic non handgun weapons and concealed handgun carry, Class-2 allows concealed handgun carry and semi automatic non handgun carry and Class-1 allows concealed handgun carry, and automatic weapons carry. the majority of Phonencians possess a Class-3 license.
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Postby Azoviskoj » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:16 pm

In accordance with Federal Mandate 278-A9, civilian ownership of weaponry is restricted to semi-automatic handguns of a caliber below .45 (11.43×23mm). All weapons must be worn openly, and concealing a firearm on your person is a federal offense punishable by a USD$2,000 fine. All persons who purchase a handgun must be at least 20 years of age, go through a month long training and safety course, as well as submit to a full background and mental stability check. Persons with any past felonies, history of mental instability or that are shown to have mental instability are forbidden from any any sort of firearm. All weapons produced or imported in/into Azoviskoj are built with or implanted with a GPS tracking system that allows authorities to track the firearm at any time.

Federal Mandate 279-A10 forbids civilian ownership of any automatic weapon of any size or caliber. Violation of this law carries a five-year prison sentence, and a USD$10,000 fine. Ownership of rifles is restricted to bolt-action rifles with a caliber of under .50, and all owned rifles must have low-capacity magazine (5 rounds or less). As with handguns, all rifles are required to have an implanted GPS tracking system. Requests for exemption from these rules must be made before the Federal Firearms Control Board, which will review the reasons for the request and then deny/approve based on a short investigation into the requester. In addition, multi-variable scopes are also forbidden, as are thermal or night-vision scopes. Shotguns are restricted to full-stock, non-automatic pump guns with a gauge of less than 20, unless special permission is granted to have a 12-gauge. Shotguns are required to have a GPS tracking system implanted in them.

Federal Mandate 280-A1 requires that all weapons be unloaded when the carrier is within three city blocks of a school, hospital, nursing home, day care, public park or any other public gathering place or places where children congregate. In addition, it is forbidden to draw or touch your weapon when in a public building, such as a coffee shop, library or other such places. Rifles and shotguns may not be carried in public by anyone, anywhere, and may only be kept in a private residence or inside a vehicle. Police are allowed to disarm any person at any time if they have reasonable cause to believe that the individual in question may be a threat to themselves or those around them. Usage of the GPS tracking system is exempt from all privacy laws.
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Postby Dennaville » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:26 pm

Its funny u should ask. I just paid 125.00$ here to have my ccw ( carry and conceil ) permit '
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Postby Saurisisia » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:41 pm

There are no regulations on firearms beyond age restrictions and the common-sense safety regulations in existence. You can practically get a heavy machine gun with little hassle, should you afford it and am able to carry it.
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Postby Massena » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:12 pm

Saurisisia wrote:There are no regulations on firearms beyond age restrictions and the common-sense safety regulations in existence. You can practically get a heavy machine gun with little hassle, should you afford it and am able to carry it.


Now that's a system I could support! How's your violent crime nationally?

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Lazssia wrote:In Lazssia, not keeping a firearm on your person almost all the time is considered weird and slightly creepy.


It almost seems that way here in places sometimes, too. Especially when AS holds a convention.

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Postby Saurisisia » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:24 pm

Massena wrote:
Saurisisia wrote:There are no regulations on firearms beyond age restrictions and the common-sense safety regulations in existence. You can practically get a heavy machine gun with little hassle, should you afford it and am able to carry it.


Now that's a system I could support! How's your violent crime nationally?

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Quite low, thank you for asking.
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Postby 1337 G4M3R5 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:45 pm

The citizens of 1337 G4m3r5 are free to carry and/or use any weapon/s they see fit. The government is not inclined to challenge this implied freedom, though it should be noted that the sale of weapons is restricted. Generally one can expect Military personnel to carry weapons considered significantly superior to those of common citizens.

It is also inadvisable to travel to our nation without first obtaining a weapon and the training to use it properly. Public activity while unarmed is often seen as a sign of either stupidity; or (frequently) as an insult.

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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:22 am

Open carry isn't just legal here, it's mandated.

The pertinent section of the law: All Decepticons must have either two blasters of Standard or greater power, or a single blaster of Double or greater power, permanently attached. ~The Minimum Design Specification of the Decepticon Body

The Spec later gives specifics about this attachment. In short, the blasters must be attached in such a way that they can be immediately used at all times without the need to draw. Most Decepticons will put one blaster on each arm, but some will use a shoulder mount and a single, double-strength blaster. Leader Megatron makes use of the "or greater" qualifier with his arm-mounted fusion cannon, which is several times more powerful than even a double-strength blaster.

One would expect the Decepticon Military to have more powerful weaponry, but many civilians have capabilities equal to those of a rank-and-file soldier. This is because everyone is allowed to buy and keep their government-issued Mil-Spec blasters as well as their defensive upgrades when they rotate off of their military stints.

Most will make the investment, meaning that those who have just been released from service are equal to active troops in both offensive and defensive capabilities. Of course, after someone has been out for a while, this equality of force fades since military technology is constantly upgraded and the only way to get the current version is to rejoin the Military.

Needless to say, the Military also has weapons that are far above civilian capabilities, but these ultra-powerful armaments are also far above what a rank-and-file troop has. It is actually legal for anyone to own this type of high-powered weaponry, but such weapons are simply too expensive for all but a few civilians to afford.
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