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Victorious Decepticons
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:19 pm

No. Megatron will accept duel challenges from individual citizens, but once the Military's involved, the war will be fought to its conclusion - by all soldiers involved.
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The Tavan Race
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Founded: May 23, 2010
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Postby The Tavan Race » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:35 pm

That depends entirely on the situation. All of these are based on the assumption that we have been offered this option, as we have never offered it ourselves.

Inferior Individual - Inferior Collective

In this case, we are both militarily outmatched and would probably lose the hand-to-hand combat as well. Our likely course of action would be to demand that the fight take place between high-ranking individuals, and drop the pretense of fighting as soon as their warrior was visible so that they could be sniped or otherwise taken out. That way, we give ourselves a better shot at winning the large scale battle, for which we would have already prepared. This method also costs virtually nothing, and the fighting would begin on a bit more even ground than it otherwise might have.

We would also attempt to use the brief lull in fighting to get forces into sensitive areas, perhaps [if we knew where it was] their homeworld's capital or the bridge of one of their important ships. The more we can take out at once, the better.

Inferior Individual - Superior Collective

The enemy is strong, fast, or otherwise deadly on a primitive level, but our technology outstrips theirs, and we're confident of a victory on a large scale. In this case we would ignore the offer entirely, as we would have no reason to honor the probable outcome and would only lose a good soldier in the process.

Superior Individual - Inferior Collective

Perhaps a nation of hyper-advanced worms or something. In this case we would accept the offer and grant the losing alien mercy, perhaps offering it gifts or otherwise demonstrating ourselves to be a reasonable species not worth destroying. Hopefully the attackers would have enough emotional capacity that we could appeal to their morality and convince them to work things out peacefully. However, if they simply have too much resting on our destruction, we could only hope that at least some of the more idealistic ones would refrain from fighting, so that we might be able to pull off a Pyrrhic victory.

The remaining creatures might still have to be sneakily exterminated, though, if we feel a second offensive remains possible. Better evil and safe than moralistic and dead.

Superior Individual - Superior Collective

The offer would be accepted and the loser spared, with the remainder of the species being spared as well if they agreed to our demands. Threatening a species into getting what you want is always preferable to having to exert actual military force.
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Calixs
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Founded: Nov 09, 2010
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Postby Calixs » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:55 pm

we would accept such a duel but we would have our troops ready for a fight in case the other person does not honor the dual.

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Apostledom of chaos
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Founded: Nov 12, 2010
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Postby Apostledom of chaos » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:06 pm

In event of insurmountable native resistance, we simply destroy to planet. The planets mineral resources take precedence over the biological resources, slaves, or the expansion of the population via captivity and introduction into life on one of the Lorem Sphaerae.
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Yoite
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Postby Yoite » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:06 pm

Calixs wrote:we would accept such a duel but we would have our troops ready for a fight in case the other person does not honor the dual.


^This, our people especially our soldiers, follow a moral code, if such a duel were offered we would accept depending on the enemy. Lets say they had a high percentage of women serving in their army(like we do), we would be honor bound to Acccept such an offer.
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1000 Cats
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Postby 1000 Cats » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:36 pm

All war is combat by champion. All combatants are champions. All combat is a duel.

...yeah.

There are some exceptions, of course. I just thought it would be funny to say that.
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Iskra
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Postby Iskra » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:44 pm

Military service in the People's Republic of Iskra is compulsory at age 18. While many will muster out ofter 2 years, The Army of the People's Republic has a proud tradition of many Champions. It would be unlikely that we would be able to involve the country into the barbarous act of dueling.

If the Republic's stand against the exploitation of Champions was untenable, I would imagine a general vote would be brought to the People.

Voting is also compulsory in our small nation.
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Greater Iraq
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Founded: Oct 12, 2011
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Postby Greater Iraq » Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:22 pm

The offer of a duel has famously been extended on the behalf of the Republic by then Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan as a means of settling the differences between Iraq and the United States of America and its confederates in alternative to a destructive, costly, and vastly more deadly war between nations.

The Vice-President proposed personal combat be conducted President against President, Vice-President against Vice-President (thus staking his own life) and Ministers against Ministers, that it be conducted on neutral ground, and that the World Assembly officiate to ensure a fair contest and to confirm the validity of the result.

Needless to say, the offer was rejected by the irredeemable cowards, who instead were induced to back-down through a mix of bribery and financial intimidation.

Following this sorry experience, it is thought unlikely that the Republic would pursue a similar course in future.

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Hittanryan
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Postby Hittanryan » Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:28 pm

If we could sucker anyone into such an arrangement, we'd bomb the other side while they waited.
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Imeriata
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Postby Imeriata » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:12 pm

Goldsaver wrote:Out of curiosity, would you accept a duel offer from us in the Republic?

Depends, if the battle seemed hopeless or could go any way so would most officers seriously consider it as you have a tendency to make us scratch our heads as a honourably society that still are socialistic barbarian hand counters so it could very well happen if you had a champion that a gentleman could face
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Awesomeland
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Postby Awesomeland » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:28 pm

We would be open to the notion provided that our objectives could be achieved at a lower cost if we did. While duelling is a traditional method of resolving personal disputes in our society, the idea of settling an entire battle or even a war in this way has never seriously occurred to us before. If the other side were to propose such a thing, there would be puzzlement, contemplation, and no small amount of suspicion.

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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:33 pm

Combat by champion has not been used since sometime in the 12th century.
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Balova
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Founded: Jan 11, 2011
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Postby Balova » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:46 pm

Would your military offer such a duel?

In ordinary circumstances? Not a chance.

Would your military accept an offer of a duel if offered?

In extremely (read: insanely) unusual cirumstances, possibly. It's very unlikely, though.

Would any circumstances cause you to accept such a duel?

Read the above statement.

If you were defeated, would you accept this outcome?

If we didn't see a way out, and hadn't been using it as a cover, and "our part" did not involed an outright surrender, then most likely.

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Goldsaver
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Founded: Mar 07, 2008
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Goldsaver » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:19 pm

Awesomeland wrote:We would be open to the notion provided that our objectives could be achieved at a lower cost if we did. While duelling is a traditional method of resolving personal disputes in our society, the idea of settling an entire battle or even a war in this way has never seriously occurred to us before. If the other side were to propose such a thing, there would be puzzlement, contemplation, and no small amount of suspicion.

Why suspicion? If you're fighting a war, you should know your enemy. If you do not know how your enemy thinks, you are in for a failed war. IF you know your enemy, you should know EXACTLY how they would act in such a situation. Obviously an unpredictable, pragmatic opponent will cheat, while a more predictable, honorable foe will not.
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Balova
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Postby Balova » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:22 pm

Goldsaver wrote:Why suspicion? If you're fighting a war, you should know your enemy. If you do not know how your enemy thinks, you are in for a failed war. IF you know your enemy, you should know EXACTLY how they would act in such a situation. Obviously an unpredictable, pragmatic opponent will cheat, while a more predictable, honorable foe will not.


For the most part, but the enemy does not think with one mind. They are composed of individuals, not all of whom act the same in every circumstance. Deception is an integral element of war, and so to be suspicious is often a healthy thing.

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Gothicta
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Postby Gothicta » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:25 pm

Alexlantis wrote:Hell no. This is war, not a duel.

This. ^

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TurtleShroom
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Postby TurtleShroom » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:46 pm

OOC: So THAT'S what the David and Goliath agreement was rooted in, and also why they sent Goliath out to mock everyone. It makes even MORE sense now...




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Hey! That's like in the Bible! Well, no, TurtleShroom's military is only capable of waging guerilla and nuclear war, not true battles with standing armies, because our military is designed to fight what was our only enemy until globalism dragged us kicking and screaming into the real world in 1990.

If someone were to offer this duel, though, we would certainly take it. However, given the lack of honor and commitment in this day and age, we'd be at the ready in case they cheat or back off the deal, because war is heck.
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Jade Tigers
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Postby Jade Tigers » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:48 pm

Yes, and the results would be respected.
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Goldsaver
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Postby Goldsaver » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:02 pm

Balova wrote:
Goldsaver wrote:Why suspicion? If you're fighting a war, you should know your enemy. If you do not know how your enemy thinks, you are in for a failed war. IF you know your enemy, you should know EXACTLY how they would act in such a situation. Obviously an unpredictable, pragmatic opponent will cheat, while a more predictable, honorable foe will not.


For the most part, but the enemy does not think with one mind. They are composed of individuals, not all of whom act the same in every circumstance. Deception is an integral element of war, and so to be suspicious is often a healthy thing.

But to be suspicious to the point where you ignore what you know about the enemy is foolish.
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Zyrcrestia
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Postby Zyrcrestia » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:07 pm

Probably not. Hell, we'd rather not be at war with anyone in the first place: our military isn't the strongest.
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Goldsaver
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Postby Goldsaver » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:09 pm

Zyrcrestia wrote:Probably not. Hell, we'd rather not be at war with anyone in the first place: our military isn't the strongest.

And would that not make you even more open to such a duel in the case of war, a chance for victory where you originally have none?
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Zyrcrestia
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Postby Zyrcrestia » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:32 pm

Goldsaver wrote:
Zyrcrestia wrote:Probably not. Hell, we'd rather not be at war with anyone in the first place: our military isn't the strongest.

And would that not make you even more open to such a duel in the case of war, a chance for victory where you originally have none?


Certainly a valid point. However, the enemy, knowing that our defensive force is weak, could easily refuse to honor the deal and launch a surprise attack if we won. At least a full-scale war would allow us to get assistance from allied states.

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Balova
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Postby Balova » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:35 pm

Goldsaver wrote:But to be suspicious to the point where you ignore what you know about the enemy is foolish.


If you're a predictable enough foe that I can be absolutely sure that your field commanders will stick to such an agreement without trickery, I'm wondering how you've managed to last beyond a few months in this conflict. I expect you to cross me, even if the method is not at once obvious.
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Iwanawin
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Postby Iwanawin » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:32 pm

my champ uses this gun. The Kflex-17, an extremely light submachine gun with a fire rate of 6 rounds per second and loaded only ways 36 ounces. and with single shot, three round burst, and full auto, this 40 20 cal. round carrying machine is a force to be reconed with. can be purchased for a price of 400 NSdollars* it is sure to bring the house down. it is also the standard light arm in the Iwinnian Legion.

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Or what about this awesom hand mini gun AKA "the mess maker". The HMG-2 is an awesome weapon with a 500 round drom, the bullets only being an inch long can fire at speeds of 50 rounds a second but not accuretly, a close range weapon in the middle weight class it is a devistating component in any Iwinnian RP. also has grenade launcher. 2000 NSdollars *

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* both of these can be bought by telegram. (store front not up yet)
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Lafayette Ronald Hubbard
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Postby Lafayette Ronald Hubbard » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:42 pm

our wars are mostly fought by our private sector (demonstrating experimental weapons in hopes the government will be impressed enough to buy exclusive rights to them, for a generous price of course). I some what doubt they would forgo massive profits over something as petty as honor. That and they would make themselves a laughing stock which would hurt their chances of us ever taking them seriously again.

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