OOC: CoPS Map Discussion and Claims

[The Candy Of Bottles]

CoPS Map App
What name do you wish your nation to have on the map?
Answer: The Candy Of Bottles

What are the geographic figures of your nation? How large is your nation? Where would you like it to be located?
Answer:

Large View:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1yD- ... sp=sharing

Zoomed in on Mistyoceans:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1vTg ... sp=sharing

Mistyoceans itself: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10366
(Use Dwarf Fortress version 0.31.25 to open. Found here: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/older_versions.html)

It takes two solid days to get from Greatgems to the south coast, if memory serves.

Location should be due east of the Sea of Hayzov, and due north of Esmeralda.

What is your nation's capital and major cities, and where are they located?
Answer: From North to South:
Kilrudkol- Bronzewheeled
Uzolavuz- Oilmined
Saràmkadôl- Greatgems (Capital)
Salirtinöth- Adoreequeled
Sôdmigrur- Mistyoceans

Do you have any special requests?
Answer: Nope!

Edit: I took the liberty of checking the map for CTEd nations, and this is what I came up with. The stricken nations are CTEd, and the ones with four question marks next to them... I couldn't find anywhere. I don't know if those are just RP names, misspelled, or what. Recent means the nation CTEd after around October.

Edit 2: Also, I'm having something of a hard time telling the unclaimed territory apart from the water. Perhaps if the unclaimed land was a light grey or something?

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

CoPS Map App
What name do you wish your nation to have on the map?
Answer: The Candy Of Bottles

What are the geographic figures of your nation? How large is your nation? Where would you like it to be located?
Answer:

Large View:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1yD- ... sp=sharing

Zoomed in on Mistyoceans:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1vTg ... sp=sharing

Mistyoceans itself: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10366
(Use Dwarf Fortress version 0.31.25 to open. Found here: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/older_versions.html)

It takes two solid days to get from Greatgems to the south coast, if memory serves.

Location should be due east of the Sea of Hayzov, and due north of Esmeralda.

What is your nation's capital and major cities, and where are they located?
Answer: From North to South:
Kilrudkol- Bronzewheeled
Uzolavuz- Oilmined
Saràmkadôl- Greatgems (Capital)
Salirtinöth- Adoreequeled
Sôdmigrur- Mistyoceans

Do you have any special requests?
Answer: Nope!

Edit: I took the liberty of checking the map for CTEd nations, and this is what I came up with. The stricken nations are CTEd, and the ones with four question marks next to them... I couldn't find anywhere. I don't know if those are just RP names, misspelled, or what. Recent means the nation CTEd after around October.

Edit 2: Also, I'm having something of a hard time telling the unclaimed territory apart from the water. Perhaps if the unclaimed land was a light grey or something?

I took a look at your document, please look at what I stated. Also, I am going to take time updating that, if it will be in such format.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

CoPS Map App
What name do you wish your nation to have on the map?
Answer: The Candy Of Bottles

What are the geographic figures of your nation? How large is your nation? Where would you like it to be located?
Answer:

Large View:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1yD- ... sp=sharing

Zoomed in on Mistyoceans:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1vTg ... sp=sharing

Mistyoceans itself: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10366
(Use Dwarf Fortress version 0.31.25 to open. Found here: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/older_versions.html)

It takes two solid days to get from Greatgems to the south coast, if memory serves.

Location should be due east of the Sea of Hayzov, and due north of Esmeralda.

What is your nation's capital and major cities, and where are they located?
Answer: From North to South:
Kilrudkol- Bronzewheeled
Uzolavuz- Oilmined
Saràmkadôl- Greatgems (Capital)
Salirtinöth- Adoreequeled
Sôdmigrur- Mistyoceans

Do you have any special requests?
Answer: Nope!

Edit: I took the liberty of checking the map for CTEd nations, and this is what I came up with. The stricken nations are CTEd, and the ones with four question marks next to them... I couldn't find anywhere. I don't know if those are just RP names, misspelled, or what. Recent means the nation CTEd after around October.

Edit 2: Also, I'm having something of a hard time telling the unclaimed territory apart from the water. Perhaps if the unclaimed land was a light grey or something?

I took a look at your document, please look at what I stated. Also, I am going to take time updating that, if it will be in such format.

Don't feel like you have to put the cities or anything else you don't want to in- I just grabbed the form from the front page.

As for the g-docs file, take feel free to take your time. I just put the names through the on site search function ("The World" page, top right corner.), and then checked the boneyard if they weren't showing up.

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

I took a look at your document, please look at what I stated. Also, I am going to take time updating that, if it will be in such format.

Don't feel like you have to put the cities or anything else you don't want to in- I just grabbed the form from the front page.

As for the g-docs file, take feel free to take your time. I just put the names through the on site search function ("The World" page, top right corner.), and then checked the boneyard if they weren't showing up.

<.< I only make a political map, I usurped the position of Map maker after Lubyak felt like adding me to it was a bummer.
I kid, he didn't have time, and I was crazy enough to do it.

[Mother Equestria]

CoPS Map App
What name do you wish your nation to have on the map?
Answer: Mother Equestria

What are the geographic figures of your nation? How large is your nation? Where will you like it to be located?
Answer: Mountainous, Valleys, Temperate, and colder climates. I'd like it to be located where North of Sola Bella and South of the Realms of Discord

What is your nation's capital and major cities, and where are they located?
Answer: Greater Equestria City (Capital) located near the mountains, if not on one. Lordship of East Bend (On a river to the east), Lordship of Celestial Strait & Derphoof Sea, New Manehattan

Do you have any special requests?
Answer: Winning Lottery Numbers....?

[Princess Luna]

I can confirm that I'll be using both Hippocratia (soon) and Ilenan Solar Empire (not so soon) again, both are my nations. Midnight Haven is associated with the Principality of Princess Luna, sometimes played by Blue Horizons, and is also in current RP use.

[Princess Luna]

So, as there's been a change in leadership, I'd like to open consultation for introducing rules to limit the number of external colonies in the region, and the tone of them. Here are my proposals.

1. Large (greater than Hidaberry Island in area) colonies of external powers may only be gained by invasion, or similar hostile action. You can't, no matter how rich you are, buy up a nation in the Pony Lands wholesale - if they were looking to federate with somepony, they'd have done it with a nation actually closer to them. This doesn't affect you if the land on the map is your homeland. Pony nations will be OPFORed by an existing player in COPS (and if you can't find one, you can't have the colony) and will be RPed as fully-functional nations, not as post-apocalyptic wastelands or places in need of strong and mighty colonialists to come and govern them. They may be equipped with nuclear weapons and similar large scale deterrants (we have had several invasions, eg by Alduinium, why would a large and prosperous nation not have such things?) which the invader is expected to receive appropriate damage from.
2. If you're not in North Pony Lands, your nation should have a majority of its population derived from species in MLP:FIM, or alternately, some prior version of MLP if you wish (not humans). If you're in the North, where populations are largely more diverse, you may have a majority of non-FIM species in the population, but there should still be significant MLP:FIM populations.
3. No external power may possess more than one large (exceeding Hidoberry Island in area) colony, or more than three smaller islands or one archipelago, of less than Hideaberry Island in equivalent area.

[Charnea]

Monty, would it be possible for me to acquire a trace of Charnea for wiki purposes?

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

Monty, would it be possible for me to acquire a trace of Charnea for wiki purposes?

Ofc, giv me tiem.

[Lubyak]

So, as there's been a change in leadership, I'd like to open consultation for introducing rules to limit the number of external colonies in the region, and the tone of them. Here are my proposals.

1. Large (greater than Hidaberry Island in area) colonies of external powers may only be gained by invasion, or similar hostile action. You can't, no matter how rich you are, buy up a nation in the Pony Lands wholesale - if they were looking to federate with somepony, they'd have done it with a nation actually closer to them. This doesn't affect you if the land on the map is your homeland. Pony nations will be OPFORed by an existing player in COPS (and if you can't find one, you can't have the colony) and will be RPed as fully-functional nations, not as post-apocalyptic wastelands or places in need of strong and mighty colonialists to come and govern them. They may be equipped with nuclear weapons and similar large scale deterrants (we have had several invasions, eg by Alduinium, why would a large and prosperous nation not have such things?) which the invader is expected to receive appropriate damage from.
2. If you're not in North Pony Lands, your nation should have a majority of its population derived from species in MLP:FIM, or alternately, some prior version of MLP if you wish (not humans). If you're in the North, where populations are largely more diverse, you may have a majority of non-FIM species in the population, but there should still be significant MLP:FIM populations.
3. No external power may possess more than one large (exceeding Hidoberry Island in area) colony, or more than three smaller islands or one archipelago, of less than Hideaberry Island in equivalent area.

1. I don't think that hostile action should be required. There should be options for more diplomatic annexations, economic unions, etc. I agree that one should have to RP the taking over of the territory, but I feel like making a hostility requirement is going too far. I agree that the colonised territory shouldn't just be a wasteland or uninhabited, but I do feel it is necessary to let the colonising nation describe what their colonies territory will be. If we disagree with what they want, we're welcome to tell them no.

2. I disagree with this extensively. CoPS has never had a rule requiring one to have a pony population--or any other species. We have always been content to allow individuals who merely recognise the existence of ponies to be present, and I don't see why we should fail to extend that rule to the map as well. Furthermore, if we were to have this rule, my nation wouldn't be allowed to exist.

3. This seems fine to me.

[Urmanian]

2. I disagree with this extensively. CoPS has never had a rule requiring one to have a pony population--or any other species. We have always been content to allow individuals who merely recognise the existence of ponies to be present, and I don't see why we should fail to extend that rule to the map as well. Furthermore, if we were to have this rule, my nation wouldn't be allowed to exist.

This is a contingency rule I personally agree with. PL, to my knowledge, has about 4 majority-pony nations out of over 10 established roleplayers, and this is concerning and possibly off-putting for prospective newcomers who are interested in pony roleplay.

Imagine if we were running a region that tried to emulate Asia, and in concept was full of emphatically Oriental Japan, Korea and China expies. Then someone enters saying they want to RP, but they'll do that via a 100% white european nation or colony. No problem, we accept them. But then eventually, somehow white european nations become the majority and throw the regional concept out of the window. I'd put my foot down there.

Also as I understand it, the rule wouldn't apply retroactively. That would be absurd.

[Crystal Spires]

We need ponies in the Pony Lands. If we have less than 50% of ponies as a demographic in the whole region it would be absurd.

In my opinion only, disregard if you don't care about keeping the pony lands for pony RP.

[Lubyak]

2. I disagree with this extensively. CoPS has never had a rule requiring one to have a pony population--or any other species. We have always been content to allow individuals who merely recognise the existence of ponies to be present, and I don't see why we should fail to extend that rule to the map as well. Furthermore, if we were to have this rule, my nation wouldn't be allowed to exist.

This is a contingency rule I personally agree with. PL, to my knowledge, has about 4 majority-pony nations out of over 10 established roleplayers, and this is concerning and possibly off-putting for prospective newcomers who are interested in pony roleplay.

Imagine if we were running a region that tried to emulate Asia, and in concept was full of emphatically Oriental Japan, Korea and China expies. Then someone enters saying they want to RP, but they'll do that via a 100% white european nation or colony. No problem, we accept them. But then eventually, somehow white european nations become the majority and throw the regional concept out of the window. I'd put my foot down there.

Also as I understand it, the rule wouldn't apply retroactively. That would be absurd.

I can see the concern present, I just am....iffy. I feel as though the whole idea of pony and CoPS RP is more centred on the existence of ponies, rather than the need to keep them a majority at all means necessary. While I agree that we should strive to encourage the development of more pony majority nations, I don't like the idea of a full out clearly delineated requirement as proposed here. I guess I can see the need in the name of producing a widespread narrative, but I remain iffy about it.

I'm more concerned by the proposed rule 1 in all honesty. That's the one that seriously bothers me.

[Urmanian]

I can see the concern present, I just am....iffy. I feel as though the whole idea of pony and CoPS RP is more centred on the existence of ponies, rather than the need to keep them a majority at all means necessary. While I agree that we should strive to encourage the development of more pony majority nations, I don't like the idea of a full out clearly delineated requirement as proposed here. I guess I can see the need in the name of producing a widespread narrative, but I remain iffy about it.

Ponies being a minority in a region called Pony Lands is absurd, like Asians being a minority in Schmasia the Asian roleplaying region. In my honest personal opinion.

I'm more concerned by the proposed rule 1 in all honesty. That's the one that seriously bothers me.

Maybe not overtly hostile action but I like the idea of mandatory OPFORs played by pony roleplayers. "Demagiced pony wogs bowing down to superior humans" is jarringly overplayed.

[Lubyak]

I can see the concern present, I just am....iffy. I feel as though the whole idea of pony and CoPS RP is more centred on the existence of ponies, rather than the need to keep them a majority at all means necessary. While I agree that we should strive to encourage the development of more pony majority nations, I don't like the idea of a full out clearly delineated requirement as proposed here. I guess I can see the need in the name of producing a widespread narrative, but I remain iffy about it.

Ponies being a minority in a region called Pony Lands is absurd, like Asians being a minority in Schmasia the Asian roleplaying region. In my honest personal opinion.

I guess I can be more alright with that...

I'm more concerned by the proposed rule 1 in all honesty. That's the one that seriously bothers me.

Maybe not overtly hostile action but I like the idea of mandatory OPFORs played by pony roleplayers. "Demagiced pony wogs bowing down to superior humans" is jarringly overplayed.

We should definitely crack down on those kind of players, and not welcome colonies of that style. However, I do think it's important to not say 'the only way you can enter is to fight'. That might drive away potentially interested players, and seriously limits our options. Economic, diplomatic, and other such tools are important alternatives to have available.

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

I don't see an issue with proposal 1, having a pony minority doesn't seem like something fair to do, but, I also do not want to see that the whole region be completely pony... I've seen a great lack of Gryphons, Zebras, (basically, sentient creatures that appear in the show) etc... Which concerns me. Nonetheless, I have been disinterested in playing completely pony states, so you could call my opinion biased.

[Urmanian]

Having non-pony MLP races such as zebras or griffons counts towards the "poni percentage". It's humans and other completely irrelevant races that are the issue.

[YellowApple]

I think the previous compromise a few of us (myself included, IIRC) proposed (central-south Pony Lands reserved for MLP-race-majority nations, north Pony Lands and perhaps Lubyak's landmass open to MLP-race-minority) was - and still is - sufficient regarding pony/non-pony population balance, seeing as the south Pony Lands is much closer to the historical epicenter of equine history and culture, and seeing as the Pony Lands' version of Equestria itself exists in the south-central continent. This proposal would leave Lubyak (and other non-pony-majority south-Pony-Lands nations, like Enatai was IIRC). I'd be fine with expanding this to the whole of the south Pony Lands, but on the condition that existing non-pony-majority nations are "grandfathered in" in order to avoid excessive canon-mangling.

I do like the idea of imposing additional restrictions on new non-pony-majority nations/colonies in the PL, however. I like the suggestion for mandatory RPs with incumbent-pony-player-controlled OPFORs (not necessarily militaristic/combative, mind you; RPing socioeconomic resistance would be an exciting twist, for example) for those non-pony-majority players that wish to hold sizable territory in the PL, and I'm quite alright with the land area restrictions (though I'd rather see them loosened or tightened up depending on how much of a minority MLP races are in the proposed land area, as well as how far north or south they are - e.g. a 100% human nation near the north/south divide should be heavily restricted, while a 100% human nation near the north edge of the map could very well be a much larger size, being further from the Equine Epicenter).

We're talking, after all, a multicontinental region with a long history of advanced (perhaps even "sufficiently" advanced, even, seeing as how "magic" exists) civilizations and cultures; the precedent of natives being handwaved as tribal savages makes about as much sense from a storytelling point of view as trying to claim that pre-Imperialist East Asia was a bunch of tribal savages. Who's to say that the seemingly-remote part of the Pony Lands your majority-human nation is seeking to acquire isn't actually claimed by a long-lost Harmonist monastery of sorts maintaining spiritual or academic enlightenment in their little corner of the multiverse? On the other hand, though, as one goes further north, it would be reasonable for ponies per-se to start thinning out, opening up fewer cultural obstacles to a bit of external expansionism. On the third hand, however, this could very well mean that other MLP races are more centered in the north and should be reflected as serious considerations to colonization efforts rather than simply handwaved as primitive savages.

Just my 0.02 dollars.

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On an unrelated note, do we have a general notion of what climate is like throughout the Pony Lands? I'd like to actually get started on a weather map of the PL (as I had suggested once upon a time after seeing Mont's excellent map work for the first time), and it would be nice to have some information on the climates of various nations throughout the Pony Lands and see if I can be an amateur meteorologist.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

On an unrelated note, do we have a general notion of what climate is like throughout the Pony Lands? I'd like to actually get started on a weather map of the PL (as I had suggested once upon a time after seeing Mont's excellent map work for the first time), and it would be nice to have some information on the climates of various nations throughout the Pony Lands and see if I can be an amateur meteorologist.

All I can say on that front is that The Candy Of Bottles would throw a wrench into that sort of thing... Permanent ice in the north, tropical heat in the south, all, by my best guess, in an area the size of Malta. Tops. Don't ask me how that works, it just does.

[YellowApple]

On an unrelated note, do we have a general notion of what climate is like throughout the Pony Lands? I'd like to actually get started on a weather map of the PL (as I had suggested once upon a time after seeing Mont's excellent map work for the first time), and it would be nice to have some information on the climates of various nations throughout the Pony Lands and see if I can be an amateur meteorologist.

All I can say on that front is that The Candy Of Bottles would throw a wrench into that sort of thing... Permanent ice in the north, tropical heat in the south, all, by my best guess, in an area the size of Malta. Tops. Don't ask me how that works, it just does.

It wouldn't be the weirdest aspect of NationStates geography, to be honest :)

[Lubyak]

On an unrelated note, do we have a general notion of what climate is like throughout the Pony Lands? I'd like to actually get started on a weather map of the PL (as I had suggested once upon a time after seeing Mont's excellent map work for the first time), and it would be nice to have some information on the climates of various nations throughout the Pony Lands and see if I can be an amateur meteorologist.

All I can say on that front is that The Candy Of Bottles would throw a wrench into that sort of thing... Permanent ice in the north, tropical heat in the south, all, by my best guess, in an area the size of Malta. Tops. Don't ask me how that works, it just does.

Could always just handwave it as magic.

As for terrain, I think we can vaguely say the Pony Lands are a northern hemisphere area, as Lykosia has generally been described as more 'cold' whereas I've generally held Lubyak to be more...temperate. Any vagaries can probably be dealt with via magic, as we know ponies can--canonically--manipulate weather significantly.

[Lykosia]

All I can say on that front is that The Candy Of Bottles would throw a wrench into that sort of thing... Permanent ice in the north, tropical heat in the south, all, by my best guess, in an area the size of Malta. Tops. Don't ask me how that works, it just does.

Could always just handwave it as magic.

As for terrain, I think we can vaguely say the Pony Lands are a northern hemisphere area, as Lykosia has generally been described as more 'cold' whereas I've generally held Lubyak to be more...temperate. Any vagaries can probably be dealt with via magic, as we know ponies can--canonically--manipulate weather significantly.

There's a reason we need weather magic instead of relying on mother nature

[Malgrave]

Could always just handwave it as magic.

As for terrain, I think we can vaguely say the Pony Lands are a northern hemisphere area, as Lykosia has generally been described as more 'cold' whereas I've generally held Lubyak to be more...temperate. Any vagaries can probably be dealt with via magic, as we know ponies can--canonically--manipulate weather significantly.

There's a reason we need weather magic instead of relying on mother nature

because mother nature hates communism?

[Charnea]

Monty, would it be possible for me to acquire a trace of Charnea for wiki purposes?

Ofc, giv me tiem.

Thanks.

[Glaceia]

If there's anything wrong with this app, please let me know.

CoPS Map App
What name do you wish your nation to have on the map?
Answer: Glaceia

What are the geographic figures of your nation? How large is your nation? Where will you like it to be located?
Answer: I'd like Glaceia to be between Immoren and Magical Equestria, with a small border with Shrilland.
Here's a basic map to give you an idea of what i'm hoping for.

What is your nation's capital and major cities, and where are they located?
Answer: Glaceia's capital is Glacestol, with other major cities being Northavn, Ylla, Pegaston and East Crossing. Please refer to my map for their general location.

Do you have any special requests?
Answer: Nope!