OOC: CoPS Map Discussion and Claims

[Lubyak]

Hi, I'd like to have a nation (technically two) added to the map for an upcoming RP: Hippocratia.

From some discussion with Kouralia, he seems happy with the soon-to-be-devastated realm of Hippocratia being located here, I’ve not discussed it with other neighbours, but I’m hoping neither Poni nor Freet have objections.

Tamberlon should not be depicted on the map as it isn't currently there, but should appear and disappear during the RP (unless people screw up) and it is a city-fortress, more than a nation, anyways.

Got it.

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

Update:
I've added Hippocratia on map and the island Lunar Domain solicited, but not others. For those who wish to be added, please do me the favour of telling me where or on what land mass you wish to be placed on.

Map

[Lubyak]

Update:
I've added Hippocratia on map and the island Lunar Domain solicited, but not others. For those who wish to be added, please do me the favour of telling me where or on what land mass you wish to be placed on.

Map

Updated Mont's map in OP.

[Frenequesta]

Gonna make another claim.

CoPS Map App
What name do you wish your nation to have on the map?
Answer: Territory of Martire (Frenequesta) [Will eventually become the State of Martire]

What are the geographic figures of your nation? How large is your nation? Where will you like it to be located?
Answer: The territory will be located on the larger of the three main islands in the archipelago below Orussia in the Sapphire Sea and the surrounding minor islands (Charkovia on the old map). It should have a mountain range on its east side (The Longeberger Range), with a river flowing out of it to the west side (the Cassidy River)

What is your nation's capital and major cities, and where are they located?
Answer: The capital of Frenequesta is not located here; however, the city of Brazenfield should be located on the north-northwest shore, and Calirove somewhere on the Cassidy River in the left-center.

Do you have any special requests?
Answer: No.

[Armetesia]

Where's my glorious empire of total corruption?

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

Where's my glorious empire of total corruption?

Who are you? Post an application and I shall see of your placement.

[Allanea]

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What name do you wish your nation to have on the map? New Siberia
What are the geographic figures of your nation? How large is your nation? Where will you like it to be located? The area is primarily flat and very cold. I would like it to be located in the spot east of Vinyelaujor.
What is your nation's capital and major cities, and where are they located? The largest cities would be named Landfall and Windfall , both located on the Eastern shore.

[The Ctan]

I hereby object to the map application of Allanea. He is not a member of the COPS RP group nor of the Pony Lands Region.

He has just gone out of his way to pressure me to RP in a thread I have little desire to do so in, specifically demanding illogical, out of character actions (that Princess Luna order thousands of pegasi to commit suicide) and insisted for some time that I RP this. I do not think Allanea needs a colony in Pony Lands' limited map, and think his recent conduct has been increasingly erratic and shows very little line between in-character demands and out of character demands.

[Kouralia]

I hereby object to the map application of Allanea. He is not a member of the COPS RP group nor of the Pony Lands Region.

He has just gone out of his way to pressure me to RP in a thread I have little desire to do so in, specifically demanding illogical, out of character actions (that Princess Luna order thousands of pegasi to commit suicide) and insisted for some time that I RP this. I do not think Allanea needs a colony in Pony Lands' limited map, and think his recent conduct has been increasingly erratic and shows very little line between in-character demands and out of character demands.

I personally object to the size. The indicated claim is as large as some sovereign nations, and I can't see that effecting much further RP. If Alla was, like Freet was, starting into the region to promote (immensely) greater interaction between his nation and others in-region, then yes. But Allanea has alliances with tens of nations in the PL, and bases and probably fleets and stuff. I'm not 100% sure how such a large colony does anything. There are an all-number of smaller islands, or smaller plots of land.

[Crystal Spires]

There is also a conflict that exists between Allanea and various players in Mystria, and as a regular Pony Land RPer and a Mystrianite, I confess I was originally at a loss on how to confront this, because Allanea is my friend. Many times he has been banned from playing in Mystria due to his propensity to be unable to distinguish IC from OOC, his incompatibility with other players, his refusal to cooperate, but also technical issues that arise from playing an uncompromising nation IC in a world where numerous FT Alliances exist that could reduce his nation to plate glass. Ranisath has tried to avoid this like the plague over and over again and once again we find ourselves at an impasse. I have restricted all interaction with Allanea to Mystria as strictly character RPs, as it seems that there seems to be continuing conflict that emerges when RPs between he and I ensue and I become the central target of sniping between many players. While I have taken great care to consider everyone's feelings on the matter there's something inherently more rewarding when each Roleplay is taken as a roleplay rather than as personal attacks on all sides. All of this is rather unfortunate, I feel. Placing him by Vinyelaujor only serves to fan the flames however fun it could be.

[The Ctan]

In fact, can we have a new rule, specifically a general moratorium against expansion by any non-native (IE this isn't to represent the nation's homeland) nation on:

1. Any more than one colony.
2. Any colony by an external power of full nation size (let's say more than 200*200 km)
3. Any colonies of external powers without pre-existing residents being RPed on an ongoing basis by another COPS Member, unless they're say, building a cloud city or raising an island out of the ocean by magic or something. They do this 'you must have an opposing player to conquer a territory' rule in the Star Wars Galaxy group, with success in improving the quality and quantity of RP.

It's pretty galling that we had to sweep the map clear of old nations and then gave them away like party favors to antiquities with home nations like this, who certainly do not need the living space.

[Allanea]

I hereby object to the map application of Allanea. He is not a member of the COPS RP group nor of the Pony Lands Region.

He has just gone out of his way to pressure me to RP in a thread I have little desire to do so in, specifically demanding illogical, out of character actions (that Princess Luna order thousands of pegasi to commit suicide)

A thing I did not do. You are tearing things out of the context of what I said (whereas my IC demand was that something of your own choosing was done), and the Pegasi thing was specifically discussed as an outlier example. You are deliberately misrepresenting my views and statements.

[Allanea]

Let’s restate what my position is WRT the Imeriata issue, which is the underlying concern here:

1.No, I don’t necessarily believe Luna should rush waves of Pegasi into the radioactive clouds. the discussion of said Pegasi was a distraction from the main point.
2.In the time period between C’tan leaving GPE and C’tan rejoining GPE, Imeriata had joined the alliance. By joining GPE again (in fact, by forcing Allanea to accept C’tan in GPE), C’tan has become bound by its rules, and is arguably expected to aid rebuilding in Imeriata.
3. The C’tani, through Luna, have made a demand that we limit assistance to Imeriata to emergency assistance only, and avoid rebuilding assistance as much as possible, on the grounds that Imeriata does not qualify for true GPE membership.

I have invented - primarily to encourage C’tan to RP in the thread - the idea that my nation will pose two options to the C’tani:

a. Either we resolve this issue extrajudicially, by having Luna and the Allaneans and Imerians negotiate with each other, on the condition that Luna provide some sort of humanitarian aid to the Imerians (I don’t particularly care what kind of aid, she can said a Tactical Sandwich for all I care),
or
b. The C’tani should take this issue to the Imperial Courts, where they’ll most likely win because they’re in the right.

But again this is all unnecessary and frankly only invented by me to encourage more RP in the thread.

[Lubyak]

Right. After discussion with Mont, here's what I'm planning on doing:

I will not be accepting the full extent of Allanea's request. I will also not be denying his application entirely. While Maven and Rani do raise valid concerns--which I would rather see resolved outside of this thread--it is clear that Allanea is heavily involved in Pony Lands, CoPS, and some Mystrian RP. Given that Allanea IC already has naval bases in PL, I see no reason why a small territory should be denied. As such, I will be fine with New Siberia being a trade city or pair of trade cities, and surrounding areas. I hope that this is acceptable to all. I have started a poll to allow people to voice their opinions, and no map changes will be made until a reasonable amount of time has passed to allow people to voice their opinions.

As for Rani's proposal to the future of foreign colonies, I'm of two minds. On one hand I feel that adding colonies from players outside PL or Mystria is a good way to encourage RP, and I do not want to bog the map or group down in red tape. However, depending on how the poll turns out, I will be supporting a rule requiring players establishing a 'colony' in PL to start some form of RP regarding its establishment, history, or something similar. I will not put any strict limits on number or size of colonies, but I will be bearing the OOC aims and position of the establishing nation in mind when I decide whether to approve.

If you have any comments, or wish to explain your vote, please feel free to do so.

[The Freethinkers]

OOC: Not really a new land request, rather with a discussion with Midlonia. This for the attention of both Mont and Lubyak.

Can myself and Midlonia essentially swap land in the southern island colonies? That is the upper island chain becomes Nova Illiani and the southern landmass becomes Nova Olympia. You can confirm with Midlonia on the NSCops channel if needed.

I am looking to RP some after effects of the societal collapse of the previous entity, and Midlonia in turn is looking at a soft reboot of his colonial exploits. Both of our purposes are better suited with this transfer.

Let me know if any issues.

[Allanea]

As such, I will be fine with New Siberia being a trade city or pair of trade cities, and surrounding areas. I hope that this is acceptable to all.

This is certainly acceptable to me. Perhaps one of the tiny islands off the shore there?

[Lubyak]

OOC: Not really a new land request, rather with a discussion with Midlonia. This for the attention of both Mont and Lubyak.

Can myself and Midlonia essentially swap land in the southern island colonies? That is the upper island chain becomes Nova Illiani and the southern landmass becomes Nova Olympia. You can confirm with Midlonia on the NSCops channel if needed.

I am looking to RP some after effects of the societal collapse of the previous entity, and Midlonia in turn is looking at a soft reboot of his colonial exploits. Both of our purposes are better suited with this transfer.

Let me know if any issues.

This should be fine.

As such, I will be fine with New Siberia being a trade city or pair of trade cities, and surrounding areas. I hope that this is acceptable to all.

This is certainly acceptable to me. Perhaps one of the tiny islands off the shore there?

That should be good.

[The Ctan]

Could you clear up the poll. I'm not sure what I'd be voting for.

Maybe change it to:

Is the proposal on "That Allanea should have no colony" and "that future colonies of external nations should be subjected to rules limitations" on the PL map acceptable?

[Lubyak]

Could you clear up the poll. I'm not sure what I'd be voting for.

Maybe change it to:

Is the proposal on "That Allanea should have no colony" and "that future colonies of external nations should be subjected to rules limitations" on the PL map acceptable?

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. The proposal I was discussing was here. Namely, that Allanea's colony should be limited in size. If you do not want an Allanean colony at all, then the vote should be no to Allanea. The proposal on colonies is--as you said--that there should be rules and limitations on the colonies of non-PL or Mystrian states.

[Allanea]

After some IRC discussion with C'tan, I am withdrawing my colony request.

[YellowApple]

I'm personally fine with Allanea having some presence on the Pony Lands map given his frequent involvement with the PL and CoPS, so long as it's in line with the policy I had proposed (and I think was agreed upon) awhile back about keeping non-pony-majority nations outside of the South Pony Lands (and particularly the two main continents in the southeast). I don't have any reason to object to it.

I also agree that the size and RP-to-validate-claim restrictions are a good idea. Voted yes for both, though I agree with Ctan that the poll options are confusing, since there's no clear way to differentiate between "Allanea's colony should not be restricted in size" and "Allanea shouldn't have a colony in the Pony Lands".

Edited: first paragraph is apparently moot.

[Lubyak]

I'm sorry. I blame the 100 character limit for poll questions.

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

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[Lubyak]

Stop making me look bad Mont

Also op updated.

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

Stop making me look bad Mont

Also op updated.

<3 U
Also, pls change to this one. http://i.imgur.com/I6A0Y3j.png