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Postby Azaca » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:21 am

Is this better?
Overall number of Personnel: 19,995 personnel
Number of Active personnel: 9,816 personnel
Number of reserve troops:10,179 personnel
Chief of Defense:Aamu Eelis Heiskanen



General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 1,729 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
650 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
239 Type 292 Light tanks
560 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 88
Number of Aircraft: 2,045
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
1 Type 148 Aircraft carriers
3 Type 178 Light cruisers
6 Type 175 Missile cruisers
4 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
2 Type 63 Minesweeper
1 Type 75 Minehunters
2 Type 77 Minelayers
11 Type 97 LST
11 Type 99 Large Landing ship
5 Type 100 LCAC
10 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
5 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
17 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
2 Type 43 Oceonographic Survey ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships
1 Type 13 Icebreaker

Aircraft
90 Type 194 Transporters
95 Type 206 Transporters
460 Type 213 Fighters
270 Type 225 Fighters
300 Type 200 Bombers
380 Type 172 Attack Helicopters
450 Type 130 Transport Helicopters



General
Number of Active Personnel: 2,973 active personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 2,450 reserve personnel
Number of Aircraft: 4,856
Secretary of the Air Force: Ansif Alexandersson

Aircraft
350 Transporters
380 Type 225 Fighter aircraft
720 Type 236 Fighter aircraft
141 Type 195 Bombers
35 Type 200 Bombers
60 Type 203 Bombers
450 Type 125 Interceptors
350 Type 165 Attack Helicopters
150 Type 137 Transport Helicopters
530 Type 159 Scout helicopters
450 Type 195 Multi-purpose Helicopter
1,240 Type 340 Trainer aircraft
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Postby Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:21 am

Azaca wrote:Is this better?
Overall number of Personnel: 19,995 personnel
Number of Active personnel: 9,816 personnel
Number of reserve troops:10,179 personnel
Chief of Defense:Aamu Eelis Heiskanen



General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 1,729 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
650 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
239 Type 292 Light tanks
560 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 88
Number of Aircraft: 2,045
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
1 Type 148 Aircraft carriers
3 Type 178 Light cruisers
6 Type 175 Missile cruisers
4 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
2 Type 63 Minesweeper
1 Type 75 Minehunters
2 Type 77 Minelayers
11 Type 97 LST
11 Type 99 Large Landing ship
5 Type 100 LCAC
10 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
5 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
17 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
2 Type 43 Oceonographic Survey ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships
1 Type 13 Icebreaker

Aircraft
90 Type 194 Transporters
95 Type 206 Transporters
460 Type 213 Fighters
270 Type 225 Fighters
300 Type 200 Bombers
380 Type 172 Attack Helicopters
450 Type 130 Transport Helicopters



General
Number of Active Personnel: 2,973 active personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 2,450 reserve personnel
Number of Aircraft: 4,856
Secretary of the Air Force: Ansif Alexandersson

Aircraft
350 Transporters
380 Type 225 Fighter aircraft
720 Type 236 Fighter aircraft
141 Type 195 Bombers
35 Type 200 Bombers
60 Type 203 Bombers
450 Type 125 Interceptors
350 Type 165 Attack Helicopters
150 Type 137 Transport Helicopters
530 Type 159 Scout helicopters
450 Type 195 Multi-purpose Helicopter
1,240 Type 340 Trainer aircraft


Still impossible. The ground personnel is too little for the number of vehicles you are using.
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Postby Azaca » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:23 am

Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia wrote:
Azaca wrote:Is this better?
Overall number of Personnel: 19,995 personnel
Number of Active personnel: 9,816 personnel
Number of reserve troops:10,179 personnel
Chief of Defense:Aamu Eelis Heiskanen



General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 1,729 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
650 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
239 Type 292 Light tanks
560 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 88
Number of Aircraft: 2,045
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
1 Type 148 Aircraft carriers
3 Type 178 Light cruisers
6 Type 175 Missile cruisers
4 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
2 Type 63 Minesweeper
1 Type 75 Minehunters
2 Type 77 Minelayers
11 Type 97 LST
11 Type 99 Large Landing ship
5 Type 100 LCAC
10 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
5 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
17 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
2 Type 43 Oceonographic Survey ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships
1 Type 13 Icebreaker

Aircraft
90 Type 194 Transporters
95 Type 206 Transporters
460 Type 213 Fighters
270 Type 225 Fighters
300 Type 200 Bombers
380 Type 172 Attack Helicopters
450 Type 130 Transport Helicopters



General
Number of Active Personnel: 2,973 active personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 2,450 reserve personnel
Number of Aircraft: 4,856
Secretary of the Air Force: Ansif Alexandersson

Aircraft
350 Transporters
380 Type 225 Fighter aircraft
720 Type 236 Fighter aircraft
141 Type 195 Bombers
35 Type 200 Bombers
60 Type 203 Bombers
450 Type 125 Interceptors
350 Type 165 Attack Helicopters
150 Type 137 Transport Helicopters
530 Type 159 Scout helicopters
450 Type 195 Multi-purpose Helicopter
1,240 Type 340 Trainer aircraft


Still impossible. The ground personnel is too little for the number of vehicles you are using.

I see, my bad, I shall correct the mistakes.
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Postby Azaca » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:25 am

There, only 445 units
General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 445 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
50 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
55 Type 292 Light tanks
60 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles
Read before talking to me. Important.
I am a loudmouth /b/tard metalhead with a sick and dark type of humor and quite frankly I don't wanna hear about your opinion of me nor do I care very much whether or not what I do is morally wrong. I am a positive nihilist, which means I believe the universe has no purpose, but that doesn't mean we can't have fun with it.
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Threat Level: 1 2 3 4 [5]
Pop: 41,625,438
Leader: Olav Esko
Military: 780,702

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Postby Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:27 am

Azaca wrote:There, only 445 units
General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 445 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
50 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
55 Type 292 Light tanks
60 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Your naval personnel is too small for the amount of ships you have. I would say around 65,000 to 90,000 personnel.

Your vehicle problem is fixed, although for regular infantry I suggest bringing that in the 100,000 to 500,000 range to avoid being curbstomped by invaders.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:31 am

Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia wrote:
Azaca wrote:There, only 445 units
General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 445 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
50 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
55 Type 292 Light tanks
60 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Your naval personnel is too small for the amount of ships you have. I would say around 65,000 to 90,000 personnel.

Your vehicle problem is fixed, although for regular infantry I suggest bringing that in the 100,000 to 500,000 range to avoid being curbstomped by invaders.


You have no logistics.

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Postby Azaca » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:37 am

Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia wrote:
Azaca wrote:There, only 445 units
General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 445 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
50 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
55 Type 292 Light tanks
60 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Your naval personnel is too small for the amount of ships you have. I would say around 65,000 to 90,000 personnel.

Your vehicle problem is fixed, although for regular infantry I suggest bringing that in the 100,000 to 500,000 range to avoid being curbstomped by invaders.

Is 27 ships still too big or am I getting close?
[spoiler= Navy]Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 27
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
2 Type 178 Light cruisers
1 Type 175 Missile cruisers
2 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
4 Type 97 LST
3 Type 99 Large Landing ship
2 Type 100 LCAC
2 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
2 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
5 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships
Read before talking to me. Important.
I am a loudmouth /b/tard metalhead with a sick and dark type of humor and quite frankly I don't wanna hear about your opinion of me nor do I care very much whether or not what I do is morally wrong. I am a positive nihilist, which means I believe the universe has no purpose, but that doesn't mean we can't have fun with it.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:40 am

Azaca wrote:
Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia wrote:
Your naval personnel is too small for the amount of ships you have. I would say around 65,000 to 90,000 personnel.

Your vehicle problem is fixed, although for regular infantry I suggest bringing that in the 100,000 to 500,000 range to avoid being curbstomped by invaders.

Is 27 ships still too big or am I getting close?
[spoiler= Navy]Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 27
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
2 Type 178 Light cruisers
1 Type 175 Missile cruisers
2 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
4 Type 97 LST
3 Type 99 Large Landing ship
2 Type 100 LCAC
2 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
2 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
5 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships


Why don't you figure out how many men each type of ship requires, times it by the number of ships you want, and then compare the result to the total amount of men you have allowed for that branch?

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Postby Azaca » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:43 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Azaca wrote:Is 27 ships still too big or am I getting close?
[spoiler= Navy]Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 27
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
2 Type 178 Light cruisers
1 Type 175 Missile cruisers
2 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
4 Type 97 LST
3 Type 99 Large Landing ship
2 Type 100 LCAC
2 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
2 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
5 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships


Why don't you figure out how many men each type of ship requires, times it by the number of ships you want, and then compare the result to the total amount of men you have allowed for that branch?

Really just cause I'm very unobservant, which often causes me to go through pointless ordeals that waste time.
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:53 am

Why not try finding a RL country that has approximately the right population, and a reasonably similar nature to your nation in terms of freedom and economy, and seeing what they have?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:54 am

Bears Armed wrote:Why not try finding a RL country that has approximately the right population, and a reasonably similar nature to your nation in terms of freedom and economy, and seeing what they have?


Cause you can't fix lazy, BA. :blush:

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:21 am

Azaca wrote:Is this better?
Overall number of Personnel: 19,995 personnel
Number of Active personnel: 9,816 personnel
Number of reserve troops:10,179 personnel
Chief of Defense:Aamu Eelis Heiskanen



General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 1,729 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
650 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
239 Type 292 Light tanks
560 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 88
Number of Aircraft: 2,045
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
1 Type 148 Aircraft carriers
3 Type 178 Light cruisers
6 Type 175 Missile cruisers
4 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
2 Type 63 Minesweeper
1 Type 75 Minehunters
2 Type 77 Minelayers
11 Type 97 LST
11 Type 99 Large Landing ship
5 Type 100 LCAC
10 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
5 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
17 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
2 Type 43 Oceonographic Survey ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships
1 Type 13 Icebreaker

Aircraft
90 Type 194 Transporters
95 Type 206 Transporters
460 Type 213 Fighters
270 Type 225 Fighters
300 Type 200 Bombers
380 Type 172 Attack Helicopters
450 Type 130 Transport Helicopters



General
Number of Active Personnel: 2,973 active personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 2,450 reserve personnel
Number of Aircraft: 4,856
Secretary of the Air Force: Ansif Alexandersson

Aircraft
350 Transporters
380 Type 225 Fighter aircraft
720 Type 236 Fighter aircraft
141 Type 195 Bombers
35 Type 200 Bombers
60 Type 203 Bombers
450 Type 125 Interceptors
350 Type 165 Attack Helicopters
150 Type 137 Transport Helicopters
530 Type 159 Scout helicopters
450 Type 195 Multi-purpose Helicopter
1,240 Type 340 Trainer aircraft

Just a tip, at bare minimum you need about 4 non-combat personnel for each soldier on the ground and about 60 personnel for each plane in the sky. Of course these are bare minimums and vary depending on mission and equipment. Really at 5 million people in the entire population a military should only exist to be ceremonial since anyone will curb stomp you anyway.
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Postby Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:22 am

Azaca wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Why don't you figure out how many men each type of ship requires, times it by the number of ships you want, and then compare the result to the total amount of men you have allowed for that branch?

Really just cause I'm very unobservant, which often causes me to go through pointless ordeals that waste time.


Use Wikipedia. ;)
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Postby Azaca » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:24 am

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Azaca wrote:Is this better?
Overall number of Personnel: 19,995 personnel
Number of Active personnel: 9,816 personnel
Number of reserve troops:10,179 personnel
Chief of Defense:Aamu Eelis Heiskanen



General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 1,729 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
650 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
239 Type 292 Light tanks
560 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 88
Number of Aircraft: 2,045
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
1 Type 148 Aircraft carriers
3 Type 178 Light cruisers
6 Type 175 Missile cruisers
4 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
2 Type 63 Minesweeper
1 Type 75 Minehunters
2 Type 77 Minelayers
11 Type 97 LST
11 Type 99 Large Landing ship
5 Type 100 LCAC
10 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
5 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
17 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
2 Type 43 Oceonographic Survey ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships
1 Type 13 Icebreaker

Aircraft
90 Type 194 Transporters
95 Type 206 Transporters
460 Type 213 Fighters
270 Type 225 Fighters
300 Type 200 Bombers
380 Type 172 Attack Helicopters
450 Type 130 Transport Helicopters



General
Number of Active Personnel: 2,973 active personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 2,450 reserve personnel
Number of Aircraft: 4,856
Secretary of the Air Force: Ansif Alexandersson

Aircraft
350 Transporters
380 Type 225 Fighter aircraft
720 Type 236 Fighter aircraft
141 Type 195 Bombers
35 Type 200 Bombers
60 Type 203 Bombers
450 Type 125 Interceptors
350 Type 165 Attack Helicopters
150 Type 137 Transport Helicopters
530 Type 159 Scout helicopters
450 Type 195 Multi-purpose Helicopter
1,240 Type 340 Trainer aircraft

Just a tip, at bare minimum you need about 4 non-combat personnel for each soldier on the ground and about 60 personnel for each plane in the sky. Of course these are bare minimums and vary depending on mission and equipment. Really at 5 million people in the entire population a military should only exist to be ceremonial since anyone will curb stomp you anyway.

We're not really violent, that's why we make lots of allies.
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Postby Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:26 am

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Azaca wrote:Is this better?
Overall number of Personnel: 19,995 personnel
Number of Active personnel: 9,816 personnel
Number of reserve troops:10,179 personnel
Chief of Defense:Aamu Eelis Heiskanen



General
Number of Active Personnel: 3,256 personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 4,390 personnel
Number of ground vehicles and Artillery units: 1,729 units
Secretary of the Army: Leif Jensen

Ground Vehicles and artillery
650 Type 289 Main Battle tanks
239 Type 292 Light tanks
560 Type 111 mortar
60 Type 297 Howitzer
20 Type 299 Mounted Howitzer
160 Type 207 APCs
40 Type 452 Anti-aircraft defense vehicles


Number of Active Personnel: 3,587 Personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel 4,339 Reserve Personnel
Number of ships: 88
Number of Aircraft: 2,045
Secratary of the Navy:

Ships
1 Type 148 Aircraft carriers
3 Type 178 Light cruisers
6 Type 175 Missile cruisers
4 Type 197 Destroyers
2 Type 252 Corvettes
2 Type 63 Minesweeper
1 Type 75 Minehunters
2 Type 77 Minelayers
11 Type 97 LST
11 Type 99 Large Landing ship
5 Type 100 LCAC
10 Type 109 Utility landing craft.
5 Type 164 Ballistic Missiles Subs
2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
17 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
2 Type 43 Oceonographic Survey ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships
1 Type 13 Icebreaker

Aircraft
90 Type 194 Transporters
95 Type 206 Transporters
460 Type 213 Fighters
270 Type 225 Fighters
300 Type 200 Bombers
380 Type 172 Attack Helicopters
450 Type 130 Transport Helicopters



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Number of Active Personnel: 2,973 active personnel
Number of Reserve Personnel: 2,450 reserve personnel
Number of Aircraft: 4,856
Secretary of the Air Force: Ansif Alexandersson

Aircraft
350 Transporters
380 Type 225 Fighter aircraft
720 Type 236 Fighter aircraft
141 Type 195 Bombers
35 Type 200 Bombers
60 Type 203 Bombers
450 Type 125 Interceptors
350 Type 165 Attack Helicopters
150 Type 137 Transport Helicopters
530 Type 159 Scout helicopters
450 Type 195 Multi-purpose Helicopter
1,240 Type 340 Trainer aircraft

Just a tip, at bare minimum you need about 4 non-combat personnel for each soldier on the ground and about 60 personnel for each plane in the sky. Of course these are bare minimums and vary depending on mission and equipment. Really at 5 million people in the entire population a military should only exist to be ceremonial since anyone will curb stomp you anyway.


Or he could base himself off Singapore's 375,000 large yet quite impressive military. Or turn to his NS population altogether.
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Postby Azaca » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:29 am

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The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Just a tip, at bare minimum you need about 4 non-combat personnel for each soldier on the ground and about 60 personnel for each plane in the sky. Of course these are bare minimums and vary depending on mission and equipment. Really at 5 million people in the entire population a military should only exist to be ceremonial since anyone will curb stomp you anyway.


Or he could base himself off Singapore's 375,000 large yet quite impressive military. Or turn to his NS population altogether.

Turning to my NS population wouldn't work logically because my Country is based in Scandinavia, a sparsely populated region. Though I guess I could bump up my RP pop a bit more.
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Postby Novikov » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:31 am

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Just a tip, at bare minimum you need about 4 non-combat personnel for each soldier on the ground and about 60 personnel for each plane in the sky.

4:1 for group troops is about right, as a minimum. A 7:1 ratio would be ideal, and some NS nations use a ratio as high as 11:1. As far as support personnel for the Air Force, a 45:1 ratio is about the minimum you want, while 52:1-60:1 would be ideal. I believe IRL the Australians uses a 52:1 ratio. The Navy should be somewhere in-between. I shoot for about 35:1, to stay on the safe side. I believe you can be a bit more flexible with naval personnel numbers, however, because there is considerable overlap on many support vessels between navy personnel and civilians.
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:08 am

The other important question is, what is it planned that these forces actually be used for? you've got stuff on that ship-list that's really only useful for 'blue water' force-projection at a significant distance from home, but you don't have (and probably couldn't have) enough of that to operate against serious opposition by themselves... especially as you have no way of providing them with air-cover once they're out of the range of home-based planes. So, unless they're actually intended to be your contribution to an alliance's combined fleet, I'd seriously suggest dropping the ships that I've struck-through in the copy of the list that follows...

2 Type 178 Light cruisers
1 Type 175 Missile cruisers

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2 Type 100 LCAC
2 Type 109 Utility landing craft.

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2 Type 165 Guided Missile Submarines
5 Type 175 Patrol vessels
1 Type 40 Electronic surveillance ships
1 Type 09 Hospital ships

(You could maybe keep some of the landing-craft if you really need to move significant numbers of troops to/between islands and for some reason can't do this by air, but that's about all that's really likely to be any use if you're operating without strong allies.)


Also, the Ballistic Missile Subs seem highly unlikely for a navy (and nation) of that size... and is your nation actually important enough on the world stage that it has enemies against whom you really need missiles with intercontinental ranges anyway?


What you really need (in my opinion) is a lot more patrol craft, some mine warfare craft, perhaps some more frigates or corvettes for protecting merchant shipping, maybe a smallish helicopter-carrier for anti-submarine & troop-moving purposes, and perhaps some 'patrol' submarines for use in the anti-shipping role.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:20 pm

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The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Just a tip, at bare minimum you need about 4 non-combat personnel for each soldier on the ground and about 60 personnel for each plane in the sky.

4:1 for group troops is about right, as a minimum. A 7:1 ratio would be ideal, and some NS nations use a ratio as high as 11:1. As far as support personnel for the Air Force, a 45:1 ratio is about the minimum you want, while 52:1-60:1 would be ideal. I believe IRL the Australians uses a 52:1 ratio. The Navy should be somewhere in-between. I shoot for about 35:1, to stay on the safe side. I believe you can be a bit more flexible with naval personnel numbers, however, because there is considerable overlap on many support vessels between navy personnel and civilians.

US is at about 59, France is around 92, the PLAAF is around 56, RoKAF is around 85, Luftwaffe is around 83, Italy is at about 90, India is around 92, Brazil is at 98, and Argentina is around 60. Also, I chose most of those countries at random and didn't reject any from my list (that is to say I didn't look up a country saw that it disagreed with my assessment and just decided not to put it on the list). Air Force numbers vary A LOT depending on mission, funding, and type of aircraft. If you are maintaining lots of stealth bombers it will require more people than if you are maintaining 4th generation jet fighters.
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Well its been about 10 Pages. Can ya folks help me with a few other weapons for my store?


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/Laser-LMG-261827739


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/Hydra-Gatling-RPG-266543041


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/AutoGauss-Assault-Rifle-262858036


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Postby Orussia » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:36 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:Well its been about 10 Pages. Can ya folks help me with a few other weapons for my store?


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/Laser-LMG-261827739


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/Hydra-Gatling-RPG-266543041


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/AutoGauss-Assault-Rifle-262858036


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/Obliterator-Gun-MLIPCC-Mk-2-270806543

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Postby The Corparation » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:03 pm

Orussia wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:Well its been about 10 Pages. Can ya folks help me with a few other weapons for my store?


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/Laser-LMG-261827739


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/Hydra-Gatling-RPG-266543041


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/AutoGauss-Assault-Rifle-262858036


http://orcbruto.deviantart.com/art/Obliterator-Gun-MLIPCC-Mk-2-270806543

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No joke. I mean, seriously. A repeating laser weapon?
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This ^

Also Gatling RPG? There's no point, you won't be carrying the ammo to be able to fire and you won't be firing an rpg at the ridiculous speeds that Gatling guns are used for.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:25 pm

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This ^

Also Gatling RPG? There's no point, you won't be carrying the ammo to be able to fire and you won't be firing an rpg at the ridiculous speeds that Gatling guns are used for.


Gatling's just mean it has more than one Barrel. Not its ROF. I figured that. It would be a steady Thump...Thump...Thump fire. Faster than any bazooka could dream but slower than most shotguns.
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Postby Strykla » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:31 pm

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The Corparation wrote:This ^

Also Gatling RPG? There's no point, you won't be carrying the ammo to be able to fire and you won't be firing an rpg at the ridiculous speeds that Gatling guns are used for.


Gatling's just mean it has more than one Barrel. Not its ROF. I figured that. It would be a steady Thump...Thump...Thump fire. Faster than any bazooka could dream but slower than most shotguns.

'Gatling' refers to the weapon's original creator, Dr. R. Gatling, or the Gatling Gun. Using the term for modern electric- or gas-powered weapons is incorrect; they are technically rotary guns.

As for repeating laser weapons, they might be possible but there would be very little reason to make one: The whole point of a rotary gun is to shoot bullets faster; lasers turn on and off, they don't have a speed setting.

However, rotary rocket launchers are, in theory, possible. Launching 2.75" Hydras would take a massive rotary gun, so you'd probably have to make an entirely new munition, but it would be deadly effective, if just as expensive.
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:04 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
The Corparation wrote:This ^

Also Gatling RPG? There's no point, you won't be carrying the ammo to be able to fire and you won't be firing an rpg at the ridiculous speeds that Gatling guns are used for.


Gatling's just mean it has more than one Barrel. Not its ROF. I figured that. It would be a steady Thump...Thump...Thump fire. Faster than any bazooka could dream but slower than most shotguns.

That rpg has a 3 round magazine, there's literally no reason or advantage to having a the heavy mechanism for a revolving barrel. IF you really want a fast firing rocket launcher, take a page from the m202 flash, it has 4 rockets each in its own tube and no retarded revolving barrel. Much simpler, much lighter and not a retarded concept. Plus the fact its not strapped into a a rigid frame worn by the user meaning it can be set aside, reloaded and stored easily. I don't see any advantages to your deisgn over just giving each rocket its own tube.
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