NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

TBH I don't even know why it has slat armour, it is by no means necessary and takes a long time to weld on or remove. You should probably not use it at all.

Dat standoff.
Apparently highly effective against HEAT rounds.

Yes it is, but it is just very bulky spaced armour that makes the tank very wide.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Dat standoff.
Apparently highly effective against HEAT rounds.

Yes it is, but it is just very bulky spaced armour that makes the tank very wide.

Go Vietnam/WWII retro and weld rolls of razor wire to the tank in its place.
Looks more badass, is lighter and also flexible, and cuts small children riding on the tank to shreds for lols.

[Licana]

No, it probably is useful.

I was just pointing out that someone who is basing his 'current military doctrine' on 'Nazi Germany's' perhaps isn't best qualified to talk about the 'modern battlefield'.

=p

U.S's Military Doctrine is based on Nazi Germany's... As is most other "Western" countries...

lolno.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

No, it probably is useful.

I was just pointing out that someone who is basing his 'current military doctrine' on 'Nazi Germany's' perhaps isn't best qualified to talk about the 'modern battlefield'.

=p

U.S's Military Doctrine is based on Nazi Germany's... As is most other "Western" countries...

Trololololololol.

On a related note I am working on my wheel tank (it is like a giant rectangular prisim with a turret and giant ferris wheels it is like 6 meters tall) and it will have a stereo system to play "Trolololololololololololol Wheel Tank! Wheel Tank!" to the tune of "Nanananananana... Batman"

[The Soviet Technocracy]

U.S's Military Doctrine is based on Nazi Germany's... As is most other "Western" countries...

Trololololololol.

On a related note I am working on my wheel tank (it is like a giant rectangular prisim with a turret and giant ferris wheels it is like 6 meters tall) and it will have a stereo system to play "Trolololololololololololol Wheel Tank! Wheel Tank!" to the tune of "Nanananananana... Batman"

Been done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Tank

Except that tank had 3m on yours hur.

[Krilo]

I advise you to see this video. And that's even a T72.

it hits the track

that tank is also probably filled with explosives for dramatic effect

T-55s for the win. Its a stable, lightweight, upgradable, main battle tank. I don't see any major downsides. It really all comes down to the skill of your tank crewman.

[Kazomal]

4.1 without, 4.7 with slat armor, I rounded off, and said "skirt" instead of "slat" by mistake.

TBH I don't even know why it has slat armour, it is by no means necessary and takes a long time to weld on or remove. You should probably not use it at all.

RPGs? HEAT rounds?

Even at 4m, should I be worried about them being able to operate in urban areas where the enemy has had time to fortify? Right now, I'm thinking of scrapping my urban combat tank idea and just go with the LY4A2 escorted by my HIFVs and their infantry.

I want 45mm all-around protection on my IFV, does that cross the line into HIFV territory?

So ASE, 4-5m wide MBT, do I need a narrower tank to use in urban environments, or should I just go with my MTB escorted by my monster of an IFV and attached infantry, leaving recon, AA, etc to my LAVs?

What do you mean by 45mm protection? Protection against 45mm threats or 45mm actual thickness?

Protection against 45mm threats.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

TBH I don't even know why it has slat armour, it is by no means necessary and takes a long time to weld on or remove. You should probably not use it at all.

RPGs? HEAT rounds?

Even at 4m, should I be worried about them being able to operate in urban areas where the enemy has had time to fortify? Right now, I'm thinking of scrapping my urban combat tank idea and just go with the LY4A2 escorted by my HIFVs and their infantry.

ERA? APS? Spaced armour?

Tanks do not need other vehicles to escort them, all they need is infantry and they are good. Why is everyone so damn paranoid about urban combat? Defeating RPGs isn't hard, killing stuff with a 100mm, 105mm, 115mm, 120mm, 125mm, 128mm, 130mm, 135mm, 140mm, 152mm, or 155mm gun isn't hard. Tanks have a giant gun that can kill everyone on a single floor of a large building with a single HE shell, they have at least 2 machine guns, in NS they frequently have an autocannon, and they have anywhere from a squad to a whole platoon to protect them from assault. They are safe enough.

What do you mean by 45mm protection? Protection against 45mm threats or 45mm actual thickness?

Protection against 45mm threats.

Why? If the enemy is firing 45mm shells at your rear or top something has gone horrible wrong. 14.5mm is the biggest infantry are going to use, and the biggest you are going to face in urban combat.

[Kazomal]

RPGs? HEAT rounds?

Even at 4m, should I be worried about them being able to operate in urban areas where the enemy has had time to fortify? Right now, I'm thinking of scrapping my urban combat tank idea and just go with the LY4A2 escorted by my HIFVs and their infantry.

ERA? APS? Spaced armour?

Tanks do not need other vehicles to escort them, all they need is infantry and they are good. Why is everyone so damn paranoid about urban combat? Defeating RPGs isn't hard, killing stuff with a 100mm, 105mm, 115mm, 120mm, 125mm, 128mm, 130mm, 135mm, 140mm, 152mm, or 155mm gun isn't hard. Tanks have a giant gun that can kill everyone on a single floor of a large building with a single HE shell, they have at least 2 machine guns, in NS they frequently have an autocannon, and they have anywhere from a squad to a whole platoon to protect them from assault. They are safe enough.

Protection against 45mm threats.

Why? If the enemy is firing 45mm shells at your rear or top something has gone horrible wrong. 14.5mm is the biggest infantry are going to use, and the biggest you are going to face in urban combat.

1) The Russians sure thought that their tanks needed to work in tandem with something that can engage multiple infantry threats from at multiple elevations, and I tend to agree. Most of my infantry is mechanized, so IFVs are a good way to provide both vehicle and infantry support in urban settings, where enemy infantry can extract a high toll on attacking tanks.

2) Because I don't want an enemy IFV or LAV to put a round up my HIFV's ass

[Novraslavia]

The People's Armed Forces of Novraslavia uses mostly old Soviet equipment and weaponry. As so, what is everyone's opinion on the 2S1 Gvozdika?

[Immoren]

Draft of my current light/motor infatry brigade. (lol modifed finnish type-80 infatry brigade.)

Headquarters company
Four infatry battalions (HQ-, Heavy weapons-, Mortar-, Service- and four infatry companies plus forward observer and sigals company)
Recce company
Engineer company
Anti-tank company
Field arty regiment (HQ and service battery, forward observer battery, two light artillery battalions, heavy artillery battalion
SAM battery.
Tank company
Signals company
Service company

[The Soviet Technocracy]

Never doubt the usefulness of soviet weaponry. Main Reasons:
- Wide Tracks
- Slim Body
- I can easily upgrade the barrel/gun
- unit cost
- Watched a documentary about tanks. T-55s got smoked by the Israelis, but only because of the Israelis stronger guns, and the fact that Israelis rock at whatever they do. I still really liked the T-55s though.
- I don't have many armoured brigades. I generally focus on artillery and infantry.

I advise you to see this video. And that's even a T72.

Yes because a bone stock T-72 is totally comparable to an upgunned, ERA equipped, re-engined T-55.

Although at that point you might as well just use a T-72. It'd be a lot cheaper.

[Immoren]

IIRC Reading about finnish T-55s and T-72. Our upgraded T-55s out-accuracied(?) our T-72s.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

IIRC Reading about finnish T-55s and T-72. Our upgraded T-55s out-accuracied(?) our T-72s.

The T-55's barrel is rifled.

Not really surprising.

@Thread: I'm actually interested in how capable the D-10T would be today. Is max pressure comparable to that of the L7, or is it more comparable to the M41 90mm, and is there still modern ammunition being produced for it?

I'm guessing it's, for all intents and purposes, equivalent to a 105mm L7?

[Immoren]

IIRC Reading about finnish T-55s and T-72. Our upgraded T-55s out-accuracied(?) our T-72s.

The T-55's barrel is rifled.

That also, but there was something other...
... Our T-55s had upgraded ballistics computer and some other stuff, but T-72s were left to their T-72M1 glory.

[DASHES]

The People's Armed Forces of Novraslavia uses mostly old Soviet equipment and weaponry. As so, what is everyone's opinion on the 2S1 Gvozdika?

The 2S1 Gvozdika is friggin' sweet.
Its Primary Armament used to be (and still probably is) one of the best 122mm Howitzers in the world.

[Krilo]

IIRC Reading about finnish T-55s and T-72. Our upgraded T-55s out-accuracied(?) our T-72s.

The T-55's barrel is rifled.

Or you can install a smooth-bore barrel like the Syrians did.

[Novraslavia]

The People's Armed Forces of Novraslavia uses mostly old Soviet equipment and weaponry. As so, what is everyone's opinion on the 2S1 Gvozdika?

The 2S1 Gvozdika is friggin' sweet.
Its Primary Armament used to be (and still probably is) one of the best 122mm Howitzers in the world.

If I want to use standalone 2A18s as well, how many batteries should I have per regiment?

[Immoren]

The 2S1 Gvozdika is friggin' sweet.
Its Primary Armament used to be (and still probably is) one of the best 122mm Howitzers in the world.

If I want to use standalone 2A18s as well, how many batteries should I have per regiment?

I have 6 batteries in light infantry brigade's artillery regiment.

[Novraslavia]

If I want to use standalone 2A18s as well, how many batteries should I have per regiment?

I have 6 batteries in light infantry brigade's artillery regiment.

Well we have special artillery sections as well.

[Immoren]

I have 6 batteries in light infantry brigade's artillery regiment.

Well we have special artillery sections as well.

What does section in this case mean? Because if my understanding of english is correct, section in artillery is equivalent of platoon, ie sub-part of battery.

[-St George]

I have 6 batteries in light infantry brigade's artillery regiment.

Well we have special artillery sections as well.

Really? Back when I was rping as a nation that had an army I always integrated at various levels (hence mortar spam at squad level)

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Well we have special artillery sections as well.

Really? Back when I was rping as a nation that had an army I always integrated at various levels (hence mortar spam at squad level)

Commando mortar to every infantryman.
dwi

[Novraslavia]

Well we have special artillery sections as well.

What does section in this case mean? Because if my understanding of english is correct, section in artillery is equivalent of platoon, ie sub-part of battery.

I'm not sure if I'm using the correct term. I know that an infantry section is eight to thirteen personnel, so I assume an artillery section is eight to thirteen batteries. That aside, I was thinking that if if each battery requires a spotter, gunner, and loader (for indirect firing missions), plus a deployment team, then I can either use smaller deployment teams or have, for example, one deployment team assigned to serve more than one battery. At the cost of deployment speed, I think this would be a good way to save personnel.

[Krilo]

What does section in this case mean? Because if my understanding of english is correct, section in artillery is equivalent of platoon, ie sub-part of battery.

I'm not sure if I'm using the correct term. I know that an infantry section is eight to thirteen personnel, so I assume an artillery section is eight to thirteen batteries. That aside, I was thinking that if if each battery requires a spotter, gunner, and loader (for indirect firing missions), plus a deployment team, then I can either use smaller deployment teams or have, for example, one deployment team assigned to serve more than one battery. At the cost of deployment speed, I think this would be a good way to save personnel.

An artillery battery is equivalent to an infantry company. 80-225 men
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_organization#Hierarchy_of_modern_armies