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DASHES
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Postby DASHES » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:41 pm

Jagalonia wrote:
DASHES wrote:
Ha, funny.

I'll rename the entrenching tool. I also see what you are saying about the Manual. I just thought it would be handy for infantry to have a source of reference in combat.

As for the rest of what you commented on, see below.


I believe the Selk Bag is waterproof, but even if its not, that's easy to fix with a modification or two. Here, read it's product description.

Also, read what I said about the Ration Bars. Its not a snack or morale treat, its a survival food on-the-go.


Finally, the BDU, at the end of my Supply List post. The BDU itself is the Tactical Body Armor you speak of, and it has the IFAK and the Ammunition and Grenades you asked about.
It seems to me that you did not read the entirety of my post.

Looking at the description of the selk bag, It doesn't appear to be waterproof. What I have in my kit, is a 4-layer sleeping bag, you have the inner liner, that can be removed for washing, 2 layers that you can attach to eachother, filled with down, and an outer waterproof "bag" that you can store it in. All of this gets stuffed inside another bag, that ends to be about half a meter tall, with a quarter meter diameter. On top of that, I have a ground sheet that I can set up as an improvised shelter, we all call it a hooch, you basicaly just tie the ground sheet to 2 trees, then spike it into the ground, it's a waterproof shelter you can stow your vest, and rucksack in. Finally, I have my air matress, it's "self inflating", it's also self-deflating when my fat ass sleeps on it. It also has it's own water proof bag. Below I have 2 links, the first displays the size of the kit I just mentioned unpacked, It's not that large, the second displays what it looks like packed. All together, it weighs about 20 pounds...
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae231/AgentTitan/IMG_0183.jpg
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae231/AgentTitan/IMG_0184.jpg

You've made your point on the ration bars, but I still wouldn't use them, as prolonged use can be detrimental to your soldier's health.

Finally, the vest.
A watch can be strapped to the soldier's wrist. The ID card can stay in their wallet, I have brest pockets that I keep my pens/notepads in on my uniform, that I still have access to even with a flack vest on.
Can you describe what you mean by "Ammo bag"? Because my tac vest can hold 10 magazines for my C7, plus 2 boxes of C9 box ammo, if I ditch my canteen for the camel back I normaly have.


Hmm... That's some good info.

Still, 20 Pounds of sleeping gear?
How about I manufacture the Selks with waterproof materials and its own waterproof bag to carry it. The bag will go over the Selk when its in use. That'll be 2 layers of protection from water, and a convenient way to carry it. That shouldn't be 20 pounds in all.
After all, the self-inflating air mattresses can be vulnerable to puncture, right?

What alternative to the Ration Bars would you suggest, considering that you understand why my Army uses them?

Lastly, comrade, what is the name of your Tactical Vest? It sounds good. Maybe I should update my Infantry Corps with it.
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Daenya
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Postby Daenya » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:47 pm

Uniform:
-Combat Boots
-Thermal Socks
-Woodland Pattern Combat Trousers
-Belt
-Undershirt
-Woodland Pattern Tunic
-Woodland Pattern Rain Jacket
-Leather Combat gloves
-Enhanced Combat Helmet
-Waterproof Watch
-Dogtags

Equipment:
-Hygiene Kit (Includes Bathroom essentials: Toothbrush + paste, shaving kit, soap, towel etc.)
-First Aid Kit
-Mess Kit
-Rations, MRE's
-Padded Sleeping Bag
-Multi-tool
-Combat Guidebook
-Small Shovel
-Canteen
-Camel Back Water Pack
-Neck warmer
-Gas Mask
-Flare
-I.D Card
-Notebook and Pen
-Flashlight
-Webbing

Weapons:
-FN FAL assault rifle
-M1911 pistol, issued to NCO's and above
-Bayonet/Combat Knife
-Under slung Grenade Launcher
-Extra ammo
-Grenades
-Boot knife (optional)


How's that for a standard load out?
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Jagalonia
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Postby Jagalonia » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:04 pm

DASHES wrote:
Jagalonia wrote:
Looking at the description of the selk bag, It doesn't appear to be waterproof. What I have in my kit, is a 4-layer sleeping bag, you have the inner liner, that can be removed for washing, 2 layers that you can attach to eachother, filled with down, and an outer waterproof "bag" that you can store it in. All of this gets stuffed inside another bag, that ends to be about half a meter tall, with a quarter meter diameter. On top of that, I have a ground sheet that I can set up as an improvised shelter, we all call it a hooch, you basicaly just tie the ground sheet to 2 trees, then spike it into the ground, it's a waterproof shelter you can stow your vest, and rucksack in. Finally, I have my air matress, it's "self inflating", it's also self-deflating when my fat ass sleeps on it. It also has it's own water proof bag. Below I have 2 links, the first displays the size of the kit I just mentioned unpacked, It's not that large, the second displays what it looks like packed. All together, it weighs about 20 pounds...
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae231/AgentTitan/IMG_0183.jpg
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae231/AgentTitan/IMG_0184.jpg

You've made your point on the ration bars, but I still wouldn't use them, as prolonged use can be detrimental to your soldier's health.

Finally, the vest.
A watch can be strapped to the soldier's wrist. The ID card can stay in their wallet, I have brest pockets that I keep my pens/notepads in on my uniform, that I still have access to even with a flack vest on.
Can you describe what you mean by "Ammo bag"? Because my tac vest can hold 10 magazines for my C7, plus 2 boxes of C9 box ammo, if I ditch my canteen for the camel back I normaly have.


Hmm... That's some good info.

Still, 20 Pounds of sleeping gear?
How about I manufacture the Selks with waterproof materials and its own waterproof bag to carry it. The bag will go over the Selk when its in use. That'll be 2 layers of protection from water, and a convenient way to carry it. That shouldn't be 20 pounds in all.
After all, the self-inflating air mattresses can be vulnerable to puncture, right?

What alternative to the Ration Bars would you suggest, considering that you understand why my Army uses them?

Lastly, comrade, what is the name of your Tactical Vest? It sounds good. Maybe I should update my Infantry Corps with it.

The matresses are pretty useless, but they get you off the ground, I'd suggest using something in a compressed foam for matresses.

The alternative is not using ration bars...Any bar that provides that many calories should not be used...unless you make them taste like cement or something...

As for the vest, It's standard issue from the Canadian Forces, that I modified a little so I could put the 10 mags and 2 boxes in it lol.
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Computer Land wrote:I don't want someone hacking my fridge :meh:

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DASHES
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Postby DASHES » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:07 pm

Jagalonia wrote:
DASHES wrote:
Hmm... That's some good info.

Still, 20 Pounds of sleeping gear?
How about I manufacture the Selks with waterproof materials and its own waterproof bag to carry it. The bag will go over the Selk when its in use. That'll be 2 layers of protection from water, and a convenient way to carry it. That shouldn't be 20 pounds in all.
After all, the self-inflating air mattresses can be vulnerable to puncture, right?

What alternative to the Ration Bars would you suggest, considering that you understand why my Army uses them?

Lastly, comrade, what is the name of your Tactical Vest? It sounds good. Maybe I should update my Infantry Corps with it.

The matresses are pretty useless, but they get you off the ground, I'd suggest using something in a compressed foam for matresses.

The alternative is not using ration bars...Any bar that provides that many calories should not be used...unless you make them taste like cement or something...

As for the vest, It's standard issue from the Canadian Forces, that I modified a little so I could put the 10 mags and 2 boxes in it lol.


Cool. Thanks.
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Jagalonia
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Postby Jagalonia » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:08 pm

Daenya wrote:Uniform:
-Combat Boots
-Thermal Socks
-Woodland Pattern Combat Trousers
-Belt
-Undershirt
-Woodland Pattern Tunic
-Woodland Pattern Rain Jacket
-Leather Combat gloves
-Enhanced Combat Helmet
-Waterproof Watch
-Dogtags

Equipment:
-Hygiene Kit (Includes Bathroom essentials: Toothbrush + paste, shaving kit, soap, towel etc.)
-First Aid Kit
-Mess Kit
-Rations, MRE's
-Padded Sleeping Bag
-Multi-tool
-Combat Guidebook
-Small Shovel
-Canteen
-Camel Back Water Pack
-Neck warmer
-Gas Mask
-Flare
-I.D Card
-Notebook and Pen
-Flashlight
-Webbing

Weapons:
-FN FAL assault rifle
-M1911 pistol, issued to NCO's and above
-Bayonet/Combat Knife
-Under slung Grenade Launcher
-Extra ammo
-Grenades
-Boot knife (optional)


How's that for a standard load out?


Uniform looks good to me, if your soldiers are always in a woodland enviroment.

As I told DASHES, drop the guidebook. No soldier should have to open one in the field, it is unneeded weight. Also, What the hell is mess kit? and if you say metal fork/knife/spoon, I may have to slap you, those are the most unhygenic things I have ever seen in my entire career....Other than that jock strap....But that's a different story. lol.

Lastly, If that grenade launcher is an attachment to the rifle, it's good to go. I'd replace the boot knife with a boot grenade though, for teh lulzy factor.
Tokyoni wrote:Hitler's mustache looks weird. Adam Smith was a drunken fatass. There, I've just pwned fascism and capitalism by such "logic".
Edlichbury wrote:OOC: If Knootoss can claim alcohol is a biological weapon, I can claim sentient Milk-People.
Senestrum wrote:Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.
lolz ensued
Ifreann wrote:
Computer Land wrote:I don't want someone hacking my fridge :meh:

fridge.setTempC(100);
sysout("I'm melting! I'm meeeeelting! Oh what a world, what world!");
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Unsigable. >.>
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Postby Useful Daveia » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:11 pm

Jagalonia wrote:Lastly, If that grenade launcher is an attachment to the rifle, it's good to go. I'd replace the boot knife with a boot grenade though, for teh lulzy factor.


Image

Grenade-knife!

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DASHES
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Postby DASHES » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:15 pm

Daenya wrote:
Uniform:
-Combat Boots
-Thermal Socks
-Woodland Pattern Combat Trousers
-Belt
-Undershirt
-Woodland Pattern Tunic
-Woodland Pattern Rain Jacket
-Leather Combat gloves
-Enhanced Combat Helmet
-Waterproof Watch
-Dogtags

Equipment:
-Hygiene Kit (Includes Bathroom essentials: Toothbrush + paste, shaving kit, soap, towel etc.)
-First Aid Kit
-Mess Kit
-Rations, MRE's
-Padded Sleeping Bag
-Multi-tool
-Combat Guidebook
-Small Shovel
-Canteen
-Camel Back Water Pack
-Neck warmer
-Gas Mask
-Flare
-I.D Card
-Notebook and Pen
-Flashlight
-Webbing

Weapons:
-FN FAL assault rifle
-M1911 pistol, issued to NCO's and above
-Bayonet/Combat Knife
-Under slung Grenade Launcher
-Extra ammo
-Grenades
-Boot knife (optional)


How's that for a standard load out?


I like it a lot. Its a great starting loadout. In fact, I'd say its complete.

I think you should get rid of the mess kit though; its just extra weight.
Soldiers can eat with their hands. All they need is some Hand Sanitizer to avoid germs.
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Jagalonia
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Postby Jagalonia » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:18 pm

DASHES wrote:
Daenya wrote:
Uniform:
-Combat Boots
-Thermal Socks
-Woodland Pattern Combat Trousers
-Belt
-Undershirt
-Woodland Pattern Tunic
-Woodland Pattern Rain Jacket
-Leather Combat gloves
-Enhanced Combat Helmet
-Waterproof Watch
-Dogtags

Equipment:
-Hygiene Kit (Includes Bathroom essentials: Toothbrush + paste, shaving kit, soap, towel etc.)
-First Aid Kit
-Mess Kit
-Rations, MRE's
-Padded Sleeping Bag
-Multi-tool
-Combat Guidebook
-Small Shovel
-Canteen
-Camel Back Water Pack
-Neck warmer
-Gas Mask
-Flare
-I.D Card
-Notebook and Pen
-Flashlight
-Webbing

Weapons:
-FN FAL assault rifle
-M1911 pistol, issued to NCO's and above
-Bayonet/Combat Knife
-Under slung Grenade Launcher
-Extra ammo
-Grenades
-Boot knife (optional)


How's that for a standard load out?


I like it a lot. Its a great starting loadout. In fact, I'd say its complete.

I think you should get rid of the mess kit though; its just extra weight.
Soldiers can eat with their hands. All they need is some Hand Sanitizer to avoid germs.

On my Soldier Qualification course, we all had nothing but purell on the field exersize, and half the course got pink eye. They blamed it on the cam paint, but we all know what it really was...We just really didn't like that nasty-ass cam paint. lol. Make sure they have a colapsable wash basin, and hand soap.
Tokyoni wrote:Hitler's mustache looks weird. Adam Smith was a drunken fatass. There, I've just pwned fascism and capitalism by such "logic".
Edlichbury wrote:OOC: If Knootoss can claim alcohol is a biological weapon, I can claim sentient Milk-People.
Senestrum wrote:Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.
lolz ensued
Ifreann wrote:
Computer Land wrote:I don't want someone hacking my fridge :meh:

fridge.setTempC(100);
sysout("I'm melting! I'm meeeeelting! Oh what a world, what world!");
I'm Amish...Problem?
Unsigable. >.>
I am a Magnificent Titan who likes to Devour Heroes
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Jagalonia
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Postby Jagalonia » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:20 pm

Useful Daveia wrote:
Jagalonia wrote:Lastly, If that grenade launcher is an attachment to the rifle, it's good to go. I'd replace the boot knife with a boot grenade though, for teh lulzy factor.


Image

Grenade-knife!

I like it.
You're hired! lol.
Tokyoni wrote:Hitler's mustache looks weird. Adam Smith was a drunken fatass. There, I've just pwned fascism and capitalism by such "logic".
Edlichbury wrote:OOC: If Knootoss can claim alcohol is a biological weapon, I can claim sentient Milk-People.
Senestrum wrote:Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.
lolz ensued
Ifreann wrote:
Computer Land wrote:I don't want someone hacking my fridge :meh:

fridge.setTempC(100);
sysout("I'm melting! I'm meeeeelting! Oh what a world, what world!");
I'm Amish...Problem?
Unsigable. >.>
I am a Magnificent Titan who likes to Devour Heroes
All tech.

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DASHES
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Postby DASHES » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:04 pm

Jagalonia wrote:
DASHES wrote:
Hmm... That's some good info.

Still, 20 Pounds of sleeping gear?
How about I manufacture the Selks with waterproof materials and its own waterproof bag to carry it. The bag will go over the Selk when its in use. That'll be 2 layers of protection from water, and a convenient way to carry it. That shouldn't be 20 pounds in all.
After all, the self-inflating air mattresses can be vulnerable to puncture, right?

What alternative to the Ration Bars would you suggest, considering that you understand why my Army uses them?

Lastly, comrade, what is the name of your Tactical Vest? It sounds good. Maybe I should update my Infantry Corps with it.

The matresses are pretty useless, but they get you off the ground, I'd suggest using something in a compressed foam for matresses.

The alternative is not using ration bars...Any bar that provides that many calories should not be used...unless you make them taste like cement or something...

As for the vest, It's standard issue from the Canadian Forces, that I modified a little so I could put the 10 mags and 2 boxes in it lol.


Wow, they let you mod your Tac Vest?
That's pretty cool.
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Pius the Grand
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Postby Pius the Grand » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:11 pm

Our load out. PMT(desert)

Clothing (Not Optional)
Body Armor Carapace
Tunic
Underclothing
Kufiyya
Leather Boots
Gloves
Rosary

Equipment
Bota Bag
Shovel
Mess Kit
Rations
Hand-cranked Drill
Horse or Camel
Rabbits foot

Weapons
A Holy Sword
A Holy Automatic Rifle
A Holy Pistol (Preferably .50 cal)
Several Knives.
A quirt
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Postby Milograd » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:17 pm

This is a cool thread. I can see it helping people like me ( who aren't exactly "knowledgable" with these kinds of things ) in the near future.
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Postby Central and Eastern Visayas » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:10 pm

Survival Kit, Fighter Pilot, CEVAF:


-Helmet

-Parachute: beeper & strobe light

-Type 21-A Life Preservation Unit.

-G-Suit: let-me-down rope, escape & evasion kit, 2 flares, and Navy knife

-Survival vest or chaps with the following components:
Pen gun flares
Pen light
Whistle
Waterbag (1.5 L)
Survival cards, plant recognition
Survival mirror
Ammo & weapon (usually a loaded Para-Ordnance M1911A1 and 90 rounds of .45 ACP)
Tourniquet
Gill net
Compass
Matches (50-100 approx.)
Sterilized dry dressing
Snake bite kit
Morphine syrette (2 ea.)
Saw
Radio - Type 41

-Tropical Survival Kit with the following items:
Bandages
Knife
Insert repellant
Mosquito headnet and mittens
50 water purification tablets
Elastic gauze bandage
Eye ointment
Fungicidal ointment (5 ea.)
Iodine ointment (5 ea.)
Pain killer capsules (5 ea.)
Anti-infection tablets (5 ea.)
Salt tablets (10 ea.)
Anti-diarrhea tablets (8 ea.)
Anti-malaria tablets (2 ea.)
Hand saw
Tape

-Global Survival Kit (installed in the seat and attached to the parachute) with the following items:
One man raft
Desalter kit
Shark repellent
Sea dye marker
Radio and battery Type 45
Signal mirror
Three flares, day and night
Whistle
Survival manual AFM-11-3
Approximately 150 matches
Water bag
Drinking water, three cans (1 L per can)
Thirty salt tablets
First aid kit
Tigan anti-motion pills
Fishing kit
Rations, food packet
Goop, floating
Reversible sun hat
Wool socks
Button compass
Plant recognition cards
Hand grip saw
Bacitracin Ointment (sun burn)
Picket knife
Insect repellent - Snake Bite Kit


This realistic enough?
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United low territories
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Postby United low territories » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:12 am

Ponistan wrote:Again, I think it's unfair to compare to the United States. You should ask yourself if you can honestly say your country can rank as a rival to the most powerful single nation that the world has ever seen. A more reasonable comparison for military might would be Germany, the UK, India, France.


I think compring with the US doesn't go far enough if a country is at war, a country actively defending itself would have a much bigger fighting force than one that's basically at peace. The US spends way more on its military than most countries (proportionally speaking, in absolute numbers they spend more than anybody period), but it's only a lot for a country not currently under attack.

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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:00 am

I was wondering your opininion on this. Similarly to finnish defence manouvre brigades, my nation's manouvre brigades are suported by artillery regiment instead of artillery battalion. But would amount of guns in single brigade grow too large if I use eight gun batteries similar to anglo-saxon(?) world, instead of six gun batteries finnish defence forces uses?
Amount of gun per brigade on paper would be 72.
edit IE 1 regiment, with->3 Battalions, each with->3 batteries, each with->8 guns
Last edited by Immoren on Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
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DASHES
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Postby DASHES » Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:47 am

Central and Eastern Visayas wrote:
Survival Kit, Fighter Pilot, CEVAF:


-Helmet

-Parachute: beeper & strobe light

-Type 21-A Life Preservation Unit.

-G-Suit: let-me-down rope, escape & evasion kit, 2 flares, and Navy knife

-Survival vest or chaps with the following components:
Pen gun flares
Pen light
Whistle
Waterbag (1.5 L)
Survival cards, plant recognition
Survival mirror
Ammo & weapon (usually a loaded Para-Ordnance M1911A1 and 90 rounds of .45 ACP)
Tourniquet
Gill net
Compass
Matches (50-100 approx.)
Sterilized dry dressing
Snake bite kit
Morphine syrette (2 ea.)
Saw
Radio - Type 41

-Tropical Survival Kit with the following items:
Bandages
Knife
Insert repellant
Mosquito headnet and mittens
50 water purification tablets
Elastic gauze bandage
Eye ointment
Fungicidal ointment (5 ea.)
Iodine ointment (5 ea.)
Pain killer capsules (5 ea.)
Anti-infection tablets (5 ea.)
Salt tablets (10 ea.)
Anti-diarrhea tablets (8 ea.)
Anti-malaria tablets (2 ea.)
Hand saw
Tape

-Global Survival Kit (installed in the seat and attached to the parachute) with the following items:
One man raft
Desalter kit
Shark repellent
Sea dye marker
Radio and battery Type 45
Signal mirror
Three flares, day and night
Whistle
Survival manual AFM-11-3
Approximately 150 matches
Water bag
Drinking water, three cans (1 L per can)
Thirty salt tablets
First aid kit
Tigan anti-motion pills
Fishing kit
Rations, food packet
Goop, floating
Reversible sun hat
Wool socks
Button compass
Plant recognition cards
Hand grip saw
Bacitracin Ointment (sun burn)
Picket knife
Insect repellent - Snake Bite Kit


This realistic enough?


Looks like you thought of everything here. I'd say its good.
How long is the your average pilot expected to be rescued after being shot down?
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Postby DASHES » Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:53 am

Milograd wrote:This is a cool thread. I can see it helping people like me ( who aren't exactly "knowledgable" with these kinds of things ) in the near future.


And that, my friend, is what its all about.
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Postby Tehraan » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:40 am

United low territories wrote:
Ponistan wrote:Again, I think it's unfair to compare to the United States. You should ask yourself if you can honestly say your country can rank as a rival to the most powerful single nation that the world has ever seen. A more reasonable comparison for military might would be Germany, the UK, India, France.


I think compring with the US doesn't go far enough if a country is at war, a country actively defending itself would have a much bigger fighting force than one that's basically at peace. The US spends way more on its military than most countries (proportionally speaking, in absolute numbers they spend more than anybody period), but it's only a lot for a country not currently under attack.


My nation alone has a military budged that dwarfs the RL USA's one by far. And my military budget is in no way impressive compared to some NS nations out there. I say comparing to the USA might even not be good enough for the average NS military power.

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Postby -St George » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:51 am

Ponistan wrote:Again, I think it's unfair to compare to the United States. You should ask yourself if you can honestly say your country can rank as a rival to the most powerful single nation that the world has ever seen. A more reasonable comparison for military might would be Germany, the UK, India, France.

Disagreed, mainly because many NS nations have (according to calcs at least) military budgets much much higher than the US's is, so, in theory at least, they can have similar sized armed forces.
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Postby Trivval » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:18 am

Commanding Officer: Vice Admiral Saier Luvan Weir
Total Personnel: 73,701 personell including SPECTRE and Naval Actives.

[50x] Maria 2-class Corvette
    HTV Zanire, HTV Caladan, HTV Arrakis, HTV Ranger, HTV Valient, HTV Charger, HTV Victor, HTV Aviour, HTV Shameless, HTV Iron Box, HTV Hardy, HTV Shore, HTV Key, HTV Ring, HTV Feather, HTV Seagul, HTV Utan, HTV Challis, HTV Saviour, HTV Eye, HTV Ivan, HTV Bark, HTV Forest, HTV Foundry, HTV Arsenal, HTV Challenge, HTV Response, HTV Fuzz, HTV Dockland, HTV Julia, HTV Floyd, HTV Siloed, HTV Design, HTV Genis, HTV Gene, HTV Denim, HTV Hunter, HTV Scawer, HTV Principle, HTV Intendant, HTV Auspex, HTV Shore, HTV Devan, HTV Hannah, HTV Easy, HTV Smyth, HTV Bison, HTV Sarha, HTV Charles, HTV Butler,
[10x] Ymekydun-class Corvette
    HTV Shark, HTV Dimitri, HTV Tailor, HTV Razor, HTV Collator, HTV Lubricity, HTV Professor, HTV Unilateralist, HTV , HTV Disconnect,
[30x] Bernadine 2-class Frigate
    HTV Diplomat, HTV Underdog, HTV Fatality, HTV Victim, HTV Onslaught, HTV Mist's Darkness, HTV Ogre, HTV Firefly, HTV Freedom, HTV Thief, HTV Prospect, HTV Gladiator, HTV Nova, HTV Intensity, HTV Voyour, HTV Armor, HTV Pillar, HTV Wasp, HTV Blue, HTV Mutant, HTV Flail, HTV Foresight, HTV Seed, HTV Wytch, HTV Jester, HTV Tomahawk, HTV Bliss, HTV Brute, HTV Princess Mai, HTV Prospect, HTV Lion,
[15x] Gwendolyn-class Minesweeper
    HTV Knight, HTV Pikeman, HTV Archer, HTV Light Horseman, HTV Glory, HTV Vision, HTV Centaur, HTV Brute, HTV Bear, HTV Renegade, HTV Scorpian, HTV Spirit, HTV Wildcat, HTV Mistriss, HTV Forced,
[4x] Angelica-class Special Operations Frigate
    HTV Grip of Disaster, HTV Empire of Heaven, HTV Godfather of Faith, HTV Aura of Armageddon,
[20x] Gertrude-class Destroyer
    HTV Regeneration, HTV Cobra, HTV Dracula, HTV Photon, HTV Hurricane, HTV Silence, HTV Angel, HTV Alien, HTV Triumph, HTV Wisdom, HTV Blood, HTV Shatterstone, HTV Constrictor, HTV Empty, HTV Tower, HTV Karma, HTV Beserker, HTV Moonlight, HTV Salamanda, HTV Oppertunist,
[15x] Cryng-class Attack Submarine
    HTV Tyrant, HTV President, HTV Commander, HTV Generalissimo, HTV Lord, HTV Duke, HTV Republican, HTV Democracy, HTV Despot, HTV Prole, HTV Soviet, HTV Executive, HTV Rule, HTV Baron, HTV Admiral,
[5x] Argent-class Light Nuclear Carrier
    HTV Death's Jester, HTV Grey Venger, HTV Hellequin, HTV War Bitch, HTV The Assayer,
[10x] Fetuf-class Nuclear-Powered Ballistic Missile Submarine
    HTV Moon Bussiness, HTV Sprite, HTV Flame, HTV Air, HTV Executioner, HTV Merchant, HTV Star, HTV Purify, HTV Wisdom, HTV Mammoth,
[50x] Duenna-class Fast Supply Vessel
    S-P48J, S-K99I, S-N25U, S-B77Y, S-L33T, S-O08Y, S-A23D, S-A55S, S-V78H, S-Q29U, S-B64V, S-Z92Z, S-X13E, S-O98E, S-A06L, S-J76H, S-B28N, S-K86G, S-A12E, S-O74Y, S-B87Y, S-E29E, S-A16G, S-B28E, S-C29D, S-C82H, S-L00L, S-L12K, S-C00N, S-E43R, S-K17L, S-S41T, S-I81T, S-A27W, S-L02R, S-I23Y, S-P19S, S-N17A, S-F18U, S-P00P, S-G65O, S-K47E, S-A12Q, S-X82O, S-O23P, S-G29P, S-N72A, S-I85R, S-B29A, S-K12D,
[8x] Cay Kut Amphibious Assault Ship
    HTV Tomb, HTV Ray of Time, HTV Workshop, HTV Dragon, HTV Hydra, HTV Judgement, HTV Myth, HTV Gargoyle,
[16x] Cay Canbahd Air Cushion Logistic Vehicle Transport
    T-H72U, T-O28I, T-H23Q, T-O02U, T-G14H, T-B73E, T-K91U, T-B13Q, T-J15N, T-U92P, T-N13U, T-V39U, T-A02O, T-B54Y, T-N21I, T-P09L,
[16x] Ghekrd Landing Craft, Air Cushion
    T-U72J, T-B19E, T-A88W, T-A23W, T-K94M, T-I48N, T-H17D, T-X28A, T-P21K, T-E44T, T-F18I, T-P47E, T-B66V, T-Q47T, T-B55F, T-M01T,


I have 27 such fleets (Obviously with different ship names). The ships come from HIA and Crookfur.

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Postby Jagalonia » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:23 am

DASHES wrote:
Jagalonia wrote:The matresses are pretty useless, but they get you off the ground, I'd suggest using something in a compressed foam for matresses.

The alternative is not using ration bars...Any bar that provides that many calories should not be used...unless you make them taste like cement or something...

As for the vest, It's standard issue from the Canadian Forces, that I modified a little so I could put the 10 mags and 2 boxes in it lol.


Wow, they let you mod your Tac Vest?
That's pretty cool.

Not officialy.....>.> lol.
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Computer Land wrote:I don't want someone hacking my fridge :meh:

fridge.setTempC(100);
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Unsigable. >.>
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Postby Jagalonia » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:25 am

Central and Eastern Visayas wrote:
Survival Kit, Fighter Pilot, CEVAF:


-Helmet

-Parachute: beeper & strobe light

-Type 21-A Life Preservation Unit.

-G-Suit: let-me-down rope, escape & evasion kit, 2 flares, and Navy knife

-Survival vest or chaps with the following components:
Pen gun flares
Pen light
Whistle
Waterbag (1.5 L)
Survival cards, plant recognition
Survival mirror
Ammo & weapon (usually a loaded Para-Ordnance M1911A1 and 90 rounds of .45 ACP)
Tourniquet
Gill net
Compass
Matches (50-100 approx.)
Sterilized dry dressing
Snake bite kit
Morphine syrette (2 ea.)
Saw
Radio - Type 41

-Tropical Survival Kit with the following items:
Bandages
Knife
Insert repellant
Mosquito headnet and mittens
50 water purification tablets
Elastic gauze bandage
Eye ointment
Fungicidal ointment (5 ea.)
Iodine ointment (5 ea.)
Pain killer capsules (5 ea.)
Anti-infection tablets (5 ea.)
Salt tablets (10 ea.)
Anti-diarrhea tablets (8 ea.)
Anti-malaria tablets (2 ea.)
Hand saw
Tape

-Global Survival Kit (installed in the seat and attached to the parachute) with the following items:
One man raft
Desalter kit
Shark repellent
Sea dye marker
Radio and battery Type 45
Signal mirror
Three flares, day and night
Whistle
Survival manual AFM-11-3
Approximately 150 matches
Water bag
Drinking water, three cans (1 L per can)
Thirty salt tablets
First aid kit
Tigan anti-motion pills
Fishing kit
Rations, food packet
Goop, floating
Reversible sun hat
Wool socks
Button compass
Plant recognition cards
Hand grip saw
Bacitracin Ointment (sun burn)
Picket knife
Insect repellent - Snake Bite Kit


This realistic enough?

For a fighter pilot...? Those kits seem rather large.
Also...You give your troops morphine incase they get lost? There is something inherently wrong there....
Tokyoni wrote:Hitler's mustache looks weird. Adam Smith was a drunken fatass. There, I've just pwned fascism and capitalism by such "logic".
Edlichbury wrote:OOC: If Knootoss can claim alcohol is a biological weapon, I can claim sentient Milk-People.
Senestrum wrote:Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.
lolz ensued
Ifreann wrote:
Computer Land wrote:I don't want someone hacking my fridge :meh:

fridge.setTempC(100);
sysout("I'm melting! I'm meeeeelting! Oh what a world, what world!");
I'm Amish...Problem?
Unsigable. >.>
I am a Magnificent Titan who likes to Devour Heroes
All tech.

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Postby Jagalonia » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:29 am

Immoren wrote:I was wondering your opininion on this. Similarly to finnish defence manouvre brigades, my nation's manouvre brigades are suported by artillery regiment instead of artillery battalion. But would amount of guns in single brigade grow too large if I use eight gun batteries similar to anglo-saxon(?) world, instead of six gun batteries finnish defence forces uses?
Amount of gun per brigade on paper would be 72.
edit IE 1 regiment, with->3 Battalions, each with->3 batteries, each with->8 guns

Artillery assets are always important. If you can keep them supplied, and behind the frontline, you shouldn't have many problems. Also, you would want to attach some light, or mechanized infantry to your artillery battallions, so they aren't completely defenseless if they get attacked...Unless you use self-propelled guns, then you would be attaching some armoured units.
Tokyoni wrote:Hitler's mustache looks weird. Adam Smith was a drunken fatass. There, I've just pwned fascism and capitalism by such "logic".
Edlichbury wrote:OOC: If Knootoss can claim alcohol is a biological weapon, I can claim sentient Milk-People.
Senestrum wrote:Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.
lolz ensued
Ifreann wrote:
Computer Land wrote:I don't want someone hacking my fridge :meh:

fridge.setTempC(100);
sysout("I'm melting! I'm meeeeelting! Oh what a world, what world!");
I'm Amish...Problem?
Unsigable. >.>
I am a Magnificent Titan who likes to Devour Heroes
All tech.

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Postby Kazomal » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:14 am

The Celestial Flame wrote:
Kazomal wrote:Kazomal has a pop of about 3.5 billion, a Frightening economy, and a military budget of about $40 trillion annually (I know, ridiculous numbers, but my region uses the economic calculator and info on the main nation page, such as population, as cannon for in-region RP). Scaling up from US military numbers, this gives me thousands and thousands of ships, and about 200,000 main battle tanks. Even with $14t going to logistics and support, I am uncomfortable with these numbers. Anyone out there that can either sooth my guilt, or give me some better way to work out just what I can and cannot afford?

Here is my military budget breakdown. For things like vehicles and ships, I looked up annual costs of operation for similar modern-day vessels (my region is on the cusp of MT/PMT, in that we're mainly restricted to things that exist, but we RP in the year 2080ish, and are somewhat loose with what you may RP, tech-wise), then added some wriggle-room, set aside 14t for logistics and support, 6t for misc, and 15t for R&D. One of my main concerns is, is training and pay included anywhere in my calculations? When I look up the annual cost of operation of a US warship, does that include training and pay for the officers, crew, and mechanics? Is 14t enough to cover logistics, training, and pay across my entire military? Or do I just employ way way way to many people by having so so many ships and vehicles?

Annual Budget, Kazomal Armed Forces

Vehicle cost expressed as:
Vehicle type (model): # * build cost (annual cost of operation)= total build cost (total annual cost)

Infantrymen: 10m * 50,000= 500b
Main Battle Tank (LY4A2Kaz1 Phalanx): 200,000 * 10m+50bDPR (1m)= 1.65t (200b)
Urban Combat Tank (KazArms Street Rat): 200,000 * 6m (500,000)= 1.2t (100b)
Infantry Fighting Vehicle (KazArms IFV): 300,000 * 4m (400,000)= 1.20t (120b)
Armored Personnel Character (KazArms APC): 500,000 * 2.5m (300,000)= 125b (150b)
Light Armored Vehicles: 8m * 200,000 (20,000)= 1.6t (160b)
Self-Propelled Artillery: 150,000 * 6m (750,000)= 900b (112.5b)
Self-Propelled Anti-Air: 150,000 * 6m (750,000)= 900b (112.5b)
Supercarriers: 50 * 4b (60m)= 200b (3b)
Carriers: 300 * 800m (60m)= 240b (18b)
Amphibious Assault Carriers: 1500 * 500m (50m)= 750b (75b)
Missile Cruisers: 4000 * 700m (40m)= 2t (160b)
Destroyers: 3000 * 200m (10m)= 400b (30b)
Frigates: 2000 * 150m (16m)= 150b (32b)
Corvettes: 3000 * 100m (8m)= 200b (24b)
Gunboats: 2000 * 80m (5m)= 160b (10b)
Patrol Boats: 2000 * 50m (1m)= 50b (2b)
Submarines: 3000 * 2b (33m)= 4t (99b)
Nuclear-Capable Ballistic Missile Subs: 1000 * 2.4b (35m)= 1.2t (35b)
Mine Warfare Crafts: 1700 * 100m (10m)= 100b (17b)
Non-Carrier Fleet Fixed Wing Combat Aircraft: 40,000 * 200m (40m)= 8t (1.6t)
Non-Carrier Attack Helicopters/Gunships: 20,000 * 30m (5m)= 600b (100b)

Summery (Annual expenditures by category):
Annual budget: 42t
Infantry: 500b
Combat Vehicles: 995b
Warships: 535b
NCF Combat Aircraft: 1.7t
Support & Logistics: 14t
R&D: 15t
Misc: 6t

So? Is it total bullshit, or can I support something like this with a pop of 3.5b and an annual military budget of about $40t? (I get that this kind of force is utterly impossible in RL, but like I said, my region uses the calculator and nation page population, and the calculator says I have a military budget of more than 60x the RL USA)

Basically my region goes big because of the high numbers the economic calc gives us, if there is some reason these numbers are bullshit, even with the high military spending of some nations (a few nations in my region have 30, 80, and 110 trillion defense budgets), I'd love to hear it, so as to bring more realism to the region, as well as help developing more realistic numbers for my own nation.

EDIT: Also, here's what I embarrassingly call my 'military factbook,' still under construction. Please, those in the know, feel free to demolish any part of it with your logic, provided you set me on the path to improving what you've torn down via good advice: http://s15.zetaboards.com/ixnay/topic/6989934/1/#new


Well the US spends ~ 4.7 of its gdp on defense. You have a population 11.5 times higher and spend ~ 36% of your gdp (given near 100% tax rate) on defense. If your gdp per capita is roughly the same as the US your military expenditures could be up to 88 times that of the US. If your gdp per capita is higher that number could be higher as well.
Which becomes ~$700,000,000,000*88 which leads to a result of 61.6T. Which means if anything your actual expenditures are low.


Thanks, but I was more worried about whether a defense budget of 40T could indeed support a military of this size.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:08 pm

CTALNH wrote:Well my nation has a army and I have a fairly wealthy nation,my navy is mostly made of remote controlled ships like Destroyers and small patrol craft.I have very few large craft in my army.
The army is made of a helghan like attitude of the enemy and the weaponry too is helghan made I got tanks planes and all the other stuff of course I don't give a crap about the Geneva convention and keep a very large biochemical and nuclear force.I tend to like playing it defence like!

So do you see any flaws in my army?

Oh so many.

1. Your army is too big. Most 1st world countries have about 0.5% of their population in the active military if that.

2. You are not going to have remote controlled destroyers in MT or PMT period. Even if you could your navy would be torn apart by any navy that had carriers or some kind of capital ships.

3. You should care about the Geneva convention whether you signed it or not. There is a saying "violence begets violence and force begets force." if you use unsavory tactics your enemy probably will too. Beyond that biological weapons are terrible for anything except terrorism. Deploy them against one nation, due to modern travel it spreads like wildfire, and soon half the world is attacking you since to indirectly gave them a terrible disease. Also vaccines make your weapons immediately useless once deployed.

I suggest you slash your standing army to about 12 million, start following some kinds of rules of war even if they aren't formal, and ditch biological weapons. If you want good weapons use tactical nuclear and chemical weapons, nothing does more damage to enemy morale than seeing hundreds of soldiers die in a small nuclear explosion and seeing the survivors develop horrible blisters all over their skin and die because you fired a nuclear artillery shell and followed up with some mustard gas.

North Calaveras wrote:how about people not making their own damn tanks etc etc etc and then going " Look this thing is so badass and could take down anything else"

Nations should use real world weapons with maybe some tweaks and upgrades, but to create new shit just makes it extremely hard to rp against.

Not really, they use largely real life equipment with only some pushing the boundaries with stuff like ETC. You could literally grab real life US military equipment give them munitions that the US army experimented with (rocket assisted APFSDS for added range, LOSAT, and some other stuff, look on globalsecurity (Google it)) and be able to hold your own against an NS army. All in all tactics, strategy, and doctrine matter more than technology it is why Germany defeated Britain and France in 1940 despite having inferior tanks and being outnumber.
Valcluse wrote:I RP with a small nation (8.5 million) and I have been looking at other similarly sized nations around the world IRL and I have a problem.

I already use 105mm and 155mm towed howitzers as part of the artillery in my armed forces. Do I need something like an MLRS? Is it really necessary?

You don't need MLRS. It is all a matter of doctrine, if you have MLRS you have longer range, more explosives, and a better burst rate of fire, but with self propelled artillery and to a far lesser extent towed artillery you have a better sustained rate of fire, more compact ammunition, and cheaper ammunition. I personally don't go for MLRS for a few reasons, chief among them being that my doctrine relies heavily on constant artillery support, almost like massive squad machine guns (in usage not in actual capabilities) in that they are used to limit the movement of the enemy by bombarding areas constantly. Also because of new ammunition including rocket assisted and base bleed munitions as well as ever faster burst rates of fire self propelled arty is closing in on MLRS on its main advantages.

Jagalonia wrote:Lastly, If that grenade launcher is an attachment to the rifle, it's good to go. I'd replace the boot knife with a boot grenade though, for teh lulzy factor.

Boot grenades is a retarded idea. Beyond the fact that it gives you a whopping one extra grenade that you could just stick to your back with some Velcro or simply add another pouch or something it would be very uncomfortable. Lets say you are using a stick grenade. Get a stick about 1 inch in diameter, shove it in a hiking boot, put the boots on, lace them up tight, and go hiking for 5 hours, taking short breaks every now and again. I guarantee that after less than 2 hours you will take the stick out and toss it away since it is putting a lot of pressure on the back of your ankle while you are walking and running around.
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