NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[San-Silvacian]

Would a 50mm cannon and AT missiles be an acceptable armament for a light tank/tankette (like 3-5t)?

No 50mm.

But an ATGM would be allowable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiesel_AWC

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Could he mount several Gustav tubes on his main gun?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

So... ATGMs and an HMG, are good for general purpose? With that can I still keep my 2-3t weight?

[Galla-]

So... ATGMs and an HMG, are good for general purpose? With that can I still keep my 2-3t weight?

ATGMs rly is it and a gpmg like mg3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiesel_1_TOW.jpg

wiesel 2 is larger but i think it breaks 3t weight and smallest wiesel is ~2.8t

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

The Wiesel can also mount a 30mm recoilless autocannon.

Not sure if that breaks the 3-ton limit, though.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The 3t weight doesn't really matter that much, as long as it doesn't go above 10t I don't care. In hind sight, it was stupid of me to think I could make l light tank the size of a sedan.

I think I'll stick with an HMG/ATGM weapons set, because the ATGMs are meant to be more of a secondary weapon.

[Galla-]

The 3t weight doesn't really matter that much, as long as it doesn't go above 10t I don't care. In hind sight, it was stupid of me to think I could make l light tank the size of a sedan.

I think I'll stick with an HMG/ATGM weapons set, because the ATGMs are meant to be more of a secondary weapon.

brg-15 + BILL-2 + 30mm CTA if you have a 10t limit

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Fancy... Thanks Galla-

On second thought, let me think that one over while I find a less rediculous cartridge

[San-Silvacian]

The 3t weight doesn't really matter that much, as long as it doesn't go above 10t I don't care. In hind sight, it was stupid of me to think I could make l light tank the size of a sedan.

I think I'll stick with an HMG/ATGM weapons set, because the ATGMs are meant to be more of a secondary weapon.

Just made that.

This what you looking for? I'd say its either at or slightly above 10 tons considering the unmanned turret.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Damn... what did you make that with?

Ignoring my stupid aesthetic preferences (which seem to turn everything except APCs into the tank from halo), it's perfect. Does it have a fully robotic variant?

[San-Silvacian]

Damn... what did you make that with?

Ignoring my stupid aesthetic preferences (which seem to turn everything except APCs into the tank from halo), it's perfect. Does it have a fully robotic variant?

MS Paint ^^

No, it has a three man crew (Gunner, commander, driver)

[Galla-]

Fancy... Thanks Galla-

On second thought, let me think that one over while I find a less rediculous cartridge

brg-15 is not ridiculous

brg-15 is new global standard for hmgs

[Alameda California]

Would it be wiser to fight a naval taskforce with conventional naval forces or deploy artillery on the island nearby via airdrop?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Fancy... Thanks Galla-

On second thought, let me think that one over while I find a less rediculous cartridge

brg-15 is not ridiculous

brg-15 is new global standard for hmgs

Sorry, I like the BRG-15. I had asked about the feaseability of a Steyr ACR chambered for a caseless .300 Remington SA Ultra Mag equivalent. Rediculous now that I think about it.

Would it however, work in a caseless .25 WSSM equivalent?

[Transnapastain]

Fancy... Thanks Galla-

On second thought, let me think that one over while I find a less rediculous cartridge

brg-15 is not ridiculous

brg-15 is new global standard for hmgs

Oh, wow, I, somehow, manged to not notice this, though I know 15,5 mm machine guns have been discussed here repeatedly.

/me considers replacing M2's in service.

[Galla-]

brg-15 is not ridiculous

brg-15 is new global standard for hmgs

Oh, wow, I, somehow, manged to not notice this, though I know 15,5 mm machine guns have been discussed here repeatedly.

/me considers replacing M2's in service.

it was supposed to replace m2 irl tbh

brg-15 is not ridiculous

brg-15 is new global standard for hmgs

Sorry, I like the BRG-15. I had asked about the feaseability of a Steyr ACR chambered for a caseless .300 Remington SA Ultra Mag equivalent. Rediculous now that I think about it.

Would it however, work in a caseless .25 WSSM equivalent?

just use reg. .25 WSSM not like there's not already STANAG compliant versions for the AR-15 floating around

[Transnapastain]

Would it be wiser to fight a naval taskforce with conventional naval forces or deploy artillery on the island nearby via airdrop?

If the island is within arty range, we'll say 50 km, and that's me assuming RAP rounds and such, of the naval task group, then is within pretty easy range of that task groups air defenses, which would be pretty shitty for those lumbering transports.

Never mind the fact that those ships could try and disengage and move away. Your forces on the island are trapped.

Those ships most likely have helicopters aboard for ASW work....they can be deployed to attack your guns, or guide naval fire form the ships onto your gun positions. Whats spotting and directing the artillery on the enemy ships for you?

If you're dead set on launching weapon form that island....use shore based ASM's as opposed to artillery. Can you deploy those missiles before the enemy arrives...that'd make a pretty interesting and lawlsy ambush during the fight...if they didn't know the ASM's were there. Had something similar happen in a war thread I did a while back.

However, I'd recommend aircraft, or naval units...preferably a combination of the two. If you can deploy those units safely,have those ASM' there to provide extra support/an ace in the hole. If you can't get them there safely, don't send men to due for no reason.

[Transnapastain]

Oh, wow, I, somehow, manged to not notice this, though I know 15,5 mm machine guns have been discussed here repeatedly.

/me considers replacing M2's in service.

it was supposed to replace m2 irl tbh

Yes, the article did state that, which is why I considered it.

[Alameda California]

Would it be wiser to fight a naval taskforce with conventional naval forces or deploy artillery on the island nearby via airdrop?

If the island is within arty range, we'll say 50 km, and that's me assuming RAP rounds and such, of the naval task group, then is within pretty easy range of that task groups air defenses, which would be pretty shitty for those lumbering transports.

Never mind the fact that those ships could try and disengage and move away. Your forces on the island are trapped.

Those ships most likely have helicopters aboard for ASW work....they can be deployed to attack your guns, or guide naval fire form the ships onto your gun positions. Whats spotting and directing the artillery on the enemy ships for you?

If you're dead set on launching weapon form that island....use shore based ASM's as opposed to artillery. Can you deploy those missiles before the enemy arrives...that'd make a pretty interesting and lawlsy ambush during the fight...if they didn't know the ASM's were there. Had something similar happen in a war thread I did a while back.

However, I'd recommend aircraft, or naval units...preferably a combination of the two. If you can deploy those units safely,have those ASM' there to provide extra support/an ace in the hole. If you can't get them there safely, don't send men to due for no reason.

I was thinking of using a combo of ASM's/ One or two artillery batteries and Naval forces to fight them. Any recomendations of what ASM's I should use? Also my Naval tak group will contain of two Nimitz Carriers, one Kirov Heavy Battle Cruiser, and three Kashin Class destroyers.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

brg-15 is not ridiculous

brg-15 is new global standard for hmgs

Oh, wow, I, somehow, manged to not notice this, though I know 15,5 mm machine guns have been discussed here repeatedly.

/me considers replacing M2's in service.

RoanHMG better than BRG-15. Moar powar, still dual-feed, is externally powered rather than gas-powered, comes with pretty pictures.

[Anyinebea]

If the island is within arty range, we'll say 50 km, and that's me assuming RAP rounds and such, of the naval task group, then is within pretty easy range of that task groups air defenses, which would be pretty shitty for those lumbering transports.

Never mind the fact that those ships could try and disengage and move away. Your forces on the island are trapped.

Those ships most likely have helicopters aboard for ASW work....they can be deployed to attack your guns, or guide naval fire form the ships onto your gun positions. Whats spotting and directing the artillery on the enemy ships for you?

If you're dead set on launching weapon form that island....use shore based ASM's as opposed to artillery. Can you deploy those missiles before the enemy arrives...that'd make a pretty interesting and lawlsy ambush during the fight...if they didn't know the ASM's were there. Had something similar happen in a war thread I did a while back.

However, I'd recommend aircraft, or naval units...preferably a combination of the two. If you can deploy those units safely,have those ASM' there to provide extra support/an ace in the hole. If you can't get them there safely, don't send men to due for no reason.

I was thinking of using a combo of ASM's/ One or two artillery batteries and Naval forces to fight them. Any recomendations of what ASM's I should use? Also my Naval tak group will contain of two Nimitz Carriers, one Kirov Heavy Battle Cruiser, and three Kashin Class destroyers.

HK7 Viking if you can provide real time targeting data within 400-500 km of the island. It gives you excellent top speed during its terminal phase, making it less susceptible to anti-missile defenses. Otherwise, find the fastest thing you can with a range your fleet/air force can provide targeting data for. Ideally, you want an ASM that can engage beyond the range of enemy Carrier Air Groups (300 km +) - otherwise they'll deploy in force and suppress your missile batteries before closing on the island. I think HK7 is your best bet if you can employ it at long ranges.

EDIT: If you want to go old-school, you can deploy RL radars and a fuckton of MM40 Exocets to the island. You'll need enough to survive the initial air attack, but they can rip up a fleet's escorts in relatively short order and are dirt cheap.

[Transnapastain]

Oh, wow, I, somehow, manged to not notice this, though I know 15,5 mm machine guns have been discussed here repeatedly.

/me considers replacing M2's in service.

RoanHMG better than BRG-15. Moar powar, still dual-feed, is externally powered rather than gas-powered, comes with pretty pictures.

You gonna sell it to me?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

just use reg. .25 WSSM not like there's not already STANAG compliant versions for the AR-15 floating around

Unfortunately, that won't work. My nation doesn't use AR-15 pattern rifles. Technically we don't even use the Steyr ACR, but a similar action, which, now that I think of it, more closely resembles that of the H&K G-11 PDW.

At any rate... the cartridge would need to be resized anyway.

[Alameda California]

I was thinking of using a combo of ASM's/ One or two artillery batteries and Naval forces to fight them. Any recomendations of what ASM's I should use? Also my Naval tak group will contain of two Nimitz Carriers, one Kirov Heavy Battle Cruiser, and three Kashin Class destroyers.

HK7 Viking if you can provide real time targeting data within 400-500 km of the island. It gives you excellent top speed during its terminal phase, making it less susceptible to anti-missile defenses. Otherwise, find the fastest thing you can with a range your fleet/air force can provide targeting data for. Ideally, you want an ASM that can engage beyond the range of enemy Carrier Air Groups (300 km +) - otherwise they'll deploy in force and suppress your missile batteries before closing on the island. I think HK7 is your best bet if you can employ it at long ranges.

EDIT: If you want to go old-school, you can deploy RL radars and a fuckton of MM40 Exocets to the island. You'll need enough to survive the initial air attack, but they can rip up a fleet's escorts in relatively short order and are dirt cheap.

Thanks. I will deploy MM40's onto the island+two T-12 Anti-Tank Guns with special rounds. Luckly I will have the carrier escort provide aircover.

[Anyinebea]

HK7 Viking if you can provide real time targeting data within 400-500 km of the island. It gives you excellent top speed during its terminal phase, making it less susceptible to anti-missile defenses. Otherwise, find the fastest thing you can with a range your fleet/air force can provide targeting data for. Ideally, you want an ASM that can engage beyond the range of enemy Carrier Air Groups (300 km +) - otherwise they'll deploy in force and suppress your missile batteries before closing on the island. I think HK7 is your best bet if you can employ it at long ranges.

EDIT: If you want to go old-school, you can deploy RL radars and a fuckton of MM40 Exocets to the island. You'll need enough to survive the initial air attack, but they can rip up a fleet's escorts in relatively short order and are dirt cheap.

Thanks. I will deploy MM40's onto the island+two T-12 Anti-Tank Guns with special rounds. Luckly I will have the carrier escort provide aircover.

Hold your carriers back, on the far side of the island by at least 150 km. This will force the enemy to close and hopefully to expose their surface fleet to your Exocet batteries if they want to kill your carriers. If they try to suppress your land based missiles on the island, your carriers will still be close enough to provide air cover. You'll also want some AAA and SAM coverage for the island garrison - preferably low-level coverage to allow your carrier groups to engage hostile aircraft at high altitude safely.