NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[Suidwes-Afrika]

I'm going to post this here first because I am unsure if the thread was intended to cater to such requests.

I intend to use pictures of a fictional assault rifle in the military factbook I am writing, call it the latest design in a line of small arms. But first I was hoping someone here would be able to tell me one of two things about the weapon:

1. Is it an RL firearm? If so, can someone identify it for me?
2. Is it realistic enough (all the details are in order, nothing's exaggerated or inaccurate) to be considered a real, workable, firearm?

[Spreewerke]

I'm going to post this here first because I am unsure if the thread was intended to cater to such requests.

I intend to use pictures of a fictional assault rifle in the military factbook I am writing, call it the latest design in a line of small arms. But first I was hoping someone here would be able to tell me one of two things about the weapon:

1. Is it an RL firearm? If so, can someone identify it for me?
2. Is it realistic enough (all the details are in order, nothing's exaggerated or inaccurate) to be considered a real, workable, firearm?

A photo would help so much.

[Suidwes-Afrika]

I'm going to post this here first because I am unsure if the thread was intended to cater to such requests.

I intend to use pictures of a fictional assault rifle in the military factbook I am writing, call it the latest design in a line of small arms. But first I was hoping someone here would be able to tell me one of two things about the weapon:

1. Is it an RL firearm? If so, can someone identify it for me?
2. Is it realistic enough (all the details are in order, nothing's exaggerated or inaccurate) to be considered a real, workable, firearm?

A photo would help so much.

Quite. But first - is my request valid on this thread?

[Spreewerke]

A photo would help so much.

Quite. But first - is my request valid on this thread?

I don't frequent this particular thread often enough to give a definite "yes" or "no," but it definitely seems up the "Main Military Weapon Mk V" thread's alley.

[The UK in Exile]

A photo would help so much.

Quite. But first - is my request valid on this thread?

seems reasonable enough.

[Transnapastain]

Suidwes-Afrika:

I'd say you'd be fine posting it here or in the main military thread....theres a lot of cross-over between both threads, so you'll get accurate feedback in either one.

[Suidwes-Afrika]

Quite. But first - is my request valid on this thread?

I don't frequent this particular thread often enough to give a definite "yes" or "no," but it definitely seems up the "Main Military Weapon Mk V" thread's alley.

I'll post it here, anyway; perhaps see if I can get some answers.

@Transnapastain: Thank you very much.



I found two other shots of the same weapon from the same source, if those would be of assistance.

[Arkania 5]

Really?

yes rly

why not?

How long would it take you to make one?

[Transnapastain]

I don't frequent this particular thread often enough to give a definite "yes" or "no," but it definitely seems up the "Main Military Weapon Mk V" thread's alley.

I'll post it here, anyway; perhaps see if I can get some answers.

@Transnapastain: Thank you very much.



I found two other shots of the same weapon from the same source, if those would be of assistance.

Well, I don't think its real, but its obviously heavily influenced by the G36 family of rifles.

If you planned to have it be the end of a progression of rifles, that'd be a good place to have it grow out of, your nations adopted it as the (designation) here, and the finally variant (pictured) is the (designation)A (number) or some such.

For example G36 ---> SAR-36 ---> SAR-36A2

Just a thought.

As to if its workable or not, did you have any ideas on what stats you wanted for it? Caliber? Weight? Magazine size?

[Suidwes-Afrika]

Well, I don't think its real, but its obviously heavily influenced by the G36 family of rifles.

If you planned to have it be the end of a progression of rifles, that'd be a good place to have it grow out of, your nations adopted it as the (designation) here, and the finally variant (pictured) is the (designation)A (number) or some such.

For example G36 ---> SAR-36 ---> SAR-36A2

Just a thought.

As to if its workable or not, did you have any ideas on what stats you wanted for it? Caliber? Weight? Magazine size?

My preferred caliber is 5.56mm NATO, weight isn't that important; the rifle can make heavy use of polymers to reduce that factor, and the preferred magazine size is thirty or thirty-five round.

[Spreewerke]

Well, I don't think its real, but its obviously heavily influenced by the G36 family of rifles.

If you planned to have it be the end of a progression of rifles, that'd be a good place to have it grow out of, your nations adopted it as the (designation) here, and the finally variant (pictured) is the (designation)A (number) or some such.

For example G36 ---> SAR-36 ---> SAR-36A2

Just a thought.

As to if its workable or not, did you have any ideas on what stats you wanted for it? Caliber? Weight? Magazine size?

My preferred caliber is 5.56mm NATO, weight isn't that important; the rifle can make heavy use of polymers to reduce that factor, and the preferred magazine size is thirty or thirty-five round.

Aside from 35-round magazines, you pretty much just described the G36 series. The photograph you linked is also more or less a G36C.

[Suidwes-Afrika]

My preferred caliber is 5.56mm NATO, weight isn't that important; the rifle can make heavy use of polymers to reduce that factor, and the preferred magazine size is thirty or thirty-five round.

Aside from 35-round magazines, you pretty much just described the G36 series. The photograph you linked is also more or less a G36C.

Doesn't it look more like a G36K? The stock, of course, is not usual for that model.

[Spreewerke]

Aside from 35-round magazines, you pretty much just described the G36 series. The photograph you linked is also more or less a G36C.

Doesn't it look more like a G36K? The stock, of course, is not usual for that model.

G36C (airsoft version, but cosmetically accurate):


What you posted:

[Suidwes-Afrika]

Doesn't it look more like a G36K? The stock, of course, is not usual for that model.

G36C (airsoft version, but cosmetically accurate):


What you posted:

Ah. I vaguely remember seeing footage of Latvian soldiers carrying rifles that looked like the one in the image I found, and Latvia uses the G36K"V" model.

[Spreewerke]

G36C (airsoft version, but cosmetically accurate):


What you posted:

Ah. I vaguely remember seeing footage of Latvian soldiers carrying rifles that looked like the one in the image I found, and Latvia uses the G36K"V" model.

I don't think you'd really see many complaints if you did use the G36C as one of your weapons, myself. I don't think they're plagued by the overheat = accuracy fail problem of the regular G36, so they should be pretty decent carbines. They seem more mobile and customizable in terms of optics and such.

[Yes Im Biop]

What would a 1.5mm Thick carbon fiber scale mixed with iron laced normal thichkness skin do for blades and low calliber shot?

Poor effectiveness. Kevlar is much better.

Also, "scale"? "Iron laced" skin? I don't really want to know though.

eh... thanks? Well not really but ill just do as alwayse

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Final model, Sturmgewehr modell 2005.

Stats:
Weight: 3.75 kg
Length: 810 mm
Cartridge: 6.8×43mm Remington
Action: Short-stroke piston, rotating bolt
Rate of fire: 700 rounds/min cyclic
Muzzle velocity: 820 m/s
Effective range: 300-400 metres
Feed system: 30-round detachable box magazine or 90-round drum magazine
Sights: Reflex sights or iron sights.

How abhorrent is it?

[Inutoland]

(Image)

Final model, Sturmgewehr modell 2005.

<SNIP>

How abhorrent is it?

Looks ok to me, but I know close to bugger all about guns.

[United Earthlings]

(Image)

The design of the armored vehicle in this picture caught my eye. Well, after the huge wings they were trying to attach to it. But, aside from the wings, how effective would something like the base vehicle be in a WWI/WWII battlefield?

Ignoring the odd position of the main gun, which would be almost comically impossible to reload, considering the base vehicle itself bears an almost canny similarity to the basic Christie tank design of the early 1930s which itself was used as a basis for the Soviets BT series of tanks, I'd say depending on the armor levels and the caliber of the main gun the tank would be about as effective as the later BT series of tanks were. OK armor by early World War II standards, Good Gun and Great Mobility.

for a population of 700 million, what is a realistic figure for a standing military? if the nation is very defensive/militaristic, but does not have compulsory service?

That all depends on the variables: Besides, the ones you listed above you have Defense Spending Levels, which includes the nation's economic rating and their GDP as well as the average spent per soldier, whether a Land or Sea based power, regional tensions & shared borders, international involvement {military alliances}, peacetime verses wartime standing & the list goes on...

Basically, there is no standing one size fits all figure, each nation's military is uniquely tailored to their nation's history, cultural traditions and defense spending levels.

However, on average as a percentage of total national population verses active duty personnel most nations fall somewhere in the range between 0.18% & 0.80%. Throw in the reserves and add between 0.5% & 1% to those 0.18%/0.80% figures depending on the nation's characteristics.

So that stated, figure out all those variables and your sample nation in question should have an {active} standing {peacetime} military total of between 1.26 million on the low scale & 5.6 million on the high scale.

Real World examples can be provided upon request.

Hope that helps

[Crookfur]

(Image)

Final model, Sturmgewehr modell 2005.

Stats:
Weight: 3.75 kg
Length: 810 mm
Cartridge: 6.8×43mm Remington
Action: Short-stroke piston, rotating bolt
Rate of fire: 700 rounds/min cyclic
Muzzle velocity: 820 m/s
Effective range: 300-400 metres
Feed system: 30-round detachable box magazine or 90-round drum magazine
Sights: Reflex sights or iron sights.

How abhorrent is it?

its boringly normal, it just needs a muzzle length and the ditching of the meaingless muzzle velocity stat (which isn't a moan at you in particular, its part of my on going one man war agaisnt this particular stat that is in 99% of cases completely wrong and givs no useful information without the rest of the info on the load in question).


UE: its not so much of a similarity to a christie design as it is actually a christie design, the M1932 IIRC.


Sevvania : As UE pointed out the Christie designs eventually evolved into the Russian BT series (and then in turn into the T-34) and the British cruiser series. The convertable system did intially seem to offer a lot of promise for fast road marches but in the end almost everyone realised that it was simply too much hassle and complciation essecpailly as the nice rubber tired wheels greatly reduced track wear all by themselves.

Some detials on the rest of the Christie family can be found here: http://www.oocities.org/firefly1002000/christanks.html

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Would a 50mm cannon and AT missiles be an acceptable armament for a light tank/tankette (like 3-5t)?

[Crookfur]

Would a 50mm cannon and AT missiles be an acceptable armament for a light tank/tankette (like 3-5t)?

A decetn 50mm gun is likely not going to be particularly doable on a sub 20ton chassis.

At 3-5 tons with a decent ATGM system you are looking at a GPMG at most or a light 20-30mm cannon with no ATGMs.

[Transnapastain]

Would a 50mm cannon and AT missiles be an acceptable armament for a light tank/tankette (like 3-5t)?

That seems pretty damn light to me, even for a light tank. I looked up some historical light tanks for comparison and found most of them to be in the 5t to 11t range

Historically, the T-18 used a 45mm gun in Soviet service during WW2, thats close to 50mm, but at that weight, I'd think it'd be a low pressure gun, with a short range....which may be why you'd want the missiles. Modernly, I couldn't find anything in a brief search that compared to what you stated at all.

Derp: I forgot about the Wiesel. Still, not going to mount a 50 mm gun on that...as Crookfur said; 20mm to 30mm gun, a GPMG or an ATGM launcher.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Why does the weight matter? Is it to compensate for the recoil?

If I bump the weight up to 5t, could it mount a 40mm recoilless and the ATGMs?

Sorry, I didn't read your posts right. 8t?

[Crookfur]

Why does the weight matter? Is it to compensate for the recoil?

If I bump the weight up to 5t, could it mount a 40mm recoilless and the ATGMs?

Sorry, I didn't read your posts right. 8t?

not just the recoil but also the sheer size of the resultant gun and what it would take to mount it, 50mm cannons are BIG. Even the msot space efficent style of 50mm gun (the 50mm supershot) would be equal in size to your average 35mm gun such as shown here (with random dude for scale): http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/s6005519.jpg/

At the other end of the scale a 50mm gun coudl easily be as big as 6poudner AT gun:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/im ... f-6pdr.jpg


Really if you have ATGMs there isn't much point in anything more than an HMG (or AGL if you msut throw some HE about) as a secondary weapon.