NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

wat are you wating about

Nuclear weapons should be the first line of defence against any aggressor tbh

That.

It's true for every IRL nuclear power.

What's your point?

Also, tank production times tend to be pretty lengthy. Properly welding together hundred-mm thick slabs of armor steel takes time (and even the tank hull is going to be 3-4 centimeters thick, which is still a bear to do).

[San-Silvacian]

I'd say about 4-5 days for a modern tank, these aren't Shermans were building.

[Galla-]

It's for stopping a certain personage of infamy called GEIJD, of course I'll be having second thoughts.

Him?

Pfffft. Sit back, chuck a few Minutemen, then just carpet bomb with nuclear bombs.

Nuke. Nuke everything.

then roll in with mechanized infantry and armour 7-10 minutes post blast

obviously with company level nuclear artillery assets on call for fire support

dont forget to target secondary and tertiary objs with mass chemical and biological weapons too

now youre thinking with portals >:

I'd say about 4-5 days for a modern tank, these aren't Shermans were building.

this doesnt sound sustainable.

sustainable sounds like a two weeks-one month for modern tank assembly

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

I'd say about 4-5 days for a modern tank, these aren't Shermans were building.

It takes them like a month to put a modern tank together. When they already have all the parts.

You could probably cut time off that figure, but I doubt you're going to slashing it by an enormous amount.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Him?

Pfffft. Sit back, chuck a few Minutemen, then just carpet bomb with nuclear bombs.

Nuke. Nuke everything.

then roll in with mechanized infantry and armour 7-10 minutes post blast

obviously with company level nuclear artillery assets on call for fire support

dont forget to target secondary and tertiary objs with mass chemical and biological weapons too

now youre thinking with portals >:

Other folks have got GEIJD capitol taken care of, I'm just gonna ensure that Europe remains GEIJD-free, with 60,000 tactical nukes.

[San-Silvacian]

I'd say about 4-5 days for a modern tank, these aren't Shermans were building.

It takes them like a month to put a modern tank together. When they already have all the parts.

You could probably cut time off that figure, but I doubt you're going to slashing it by an enormous amount.

Thats during peacetime production though.

Only 2,200 tanks were produced in Russian in 1940, yet in two years, over 20,000 would be built.

Then you have how the shipyards in the U.S. were getting so good that they were producing ships at one a day, quickly making up 3-4 years of U-boat losses in a year.

[Galla-]

It takes them like a month to put a modern tank together. When they already have all the parts.

You could probably cut time off that figure, but I doubt you're going to slashing it by an enormous amount.

Thats during peacetime production though.

Only 2,000 tanks were produced in Russian in 1940, yet in two years, close to 10,000 would be built.

Then you have how the shipyards in the U.S. were getting so good that they were producing ships at one a day, quickly making up 3-4 years of U-boat losses in a year.

A T-34 is not an M1 Abrams.

They're slightly more complex and take a bit longer to assemble.

Same with Liberty Ships and modern LHDs.

[San-Silvacian]

Thats during peacetime production though.

Only 2,000 tanks were produced in Russian in 1940, yet in two years, close to 10,000 would be built.

Then you have how the shipyards in the U.S. were getting so good that they were producing ships at one a day, quickly making up 3-4 years of U-boat losses in a year.

A T-34 is not an M1 Abrams.

They're slightly more complex and take a bit longer to assemble.

Same with Liberty Ships and modern LHDs.

Its called an analogy.

I'm making the point that peacetime and wartime production are vastly different.

500 tanks build during peacetime in the entire nation can be how many tanks are built in a single city in 3 months during wartime.

[Galla-]

A T-34 is not an M1 Abrams.

They're slightly more complex and take a bit longer to assemble.

Same with Liberty Ships and modern LHDs.

Its called an analogy.

I'm making the point that peacetime and wartime production are vastly different.

500 tanks build during peacetime in the entire nation can be how many tanks are built in a single city in 3 months during wartime.

1) It's a shitty one. Work on them, please.

2) Peacetime production IRL is wartime production.

With modern warfare, the chances of that factory surviving long enough to produce large numbers of tanks once war is declared, unless it's located in a rural area far away from major cities (lol), is very slim within the first 30 minutes to an hour of the conflict.

Thus, wartime deployment and production is maintained constantly.

3) With modern tanks? Assuming both peacetime and wartime production are the same period (3 months), probably 500, assuming a war doesn't break out between nuclear powers. Less if the city gets hit by a nuclear bombardment to disrupt industrial output.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

It takes them like a month to put a modern tank together. When they already have all the parts.

You could probably cut time off that figure, but I doubt you're going to slashing it by an enormous amount.

Thats during peacetime production though.

Only 2,200 tanks were produced in Russian in 1940, yet in two years, over 20,000 would be built.

Then you have how the shipyards in the U.S. were getting so good that they were producing ships at one a day, quickly making up 3-4 years of U-boat losses in a year.

Comparing a T34 to an Abrams (let alone an actually modern tank) is like comparing an original VW bug to a newish supercar (that is built mostly by hand). Same for WW2 ships vs modern ships.

Also, this might blow your mind, but they tended to work on more than one tank at a time. In fact, they tended to work on zillions of tanks at a time since they could only cut build times so far, even with tanks which would be considered ludicrously simple by modern standards.

Edit: and I was remember wrong, it was like 2-3 months to put an abrams together. Welding together a zillion slabs of armor steel to make your hull is a cast iron armor-plated bitch to do.

[Allanea]

Strategic advance through the Balkans under the cover of gratuitous amounts of tactical nukes, y/n? Assume Soviet Front-sized operations.

Ahem Gents.

Exactly how the Soviets would have done it.

[Yes Im Biop]

That Artillery Rifle thing i mentioned a while back

The Man Portable Ballistic Artillery Unit .75 (aka. "Deliverance") is a quite big anti-material rifle/light artillery gun.

The main feature of the Deliverance is the possibility to easily disassemble its parts. Disassembled it weights about 15kg and can be transported in a 100x50cm bag or case, allowing groups of two or three or even a lone sniper to transport it to points that wouldn't be accessible to larger squads or vehicles.

Also the Deliverance load warheads and propellants in separated compartments, allowing the shooter to choose different propellants and projectiles, including anti-armor ammo, explosive ammo, anti-infantry ammo and others.

Its immense caliber also means a big recoil, so the gun is equipped with hydraulic pumps to receive part of the recoil (like tank cannons), and a quad-pod that holds the gun in place like bigger artillery guns, transferring part of the recoil force to the ground.

How about a commando mortar?

Sorry what?

[Ularn]

How about a commando mortar?

Sorry what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_mortar

Have you seen The Bridge on the River Kwai? (if not, feel shame!) That's the most predominant appearance of one I can think of in media. The British commandos use one when they're trying to destroy the Japanese bridge and it eventually kills the British prisoner who'd gone native and tried to disarm the explosives.

[Yes Im Biop]

Sorry what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_mortar

Have you seen The Bridge on the River Kwai? (if not, feel shame!) That's the most predominant appearance of one I can think of in media. The British commandos use one when they're trying to destroy the Japanese bridge and it eventually kills the British prisoner who'd gone native and tried to disarm the explosives.

I see. And Nope. I just haven't had time to do my own edit of it

[Galla-]

Sorry what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_mortar

Have you seen The Bridge on the River Kwai? (if not, feel shame!) That's the most predominant appearance of one I can think of in media. The British commandos use one when they're trying to destroy the Japanese bridge and it eventually kills the British prisoner who'd gone native and tried to disarm the explosives.

This is cooler.

I think I will issue these two to a squad tbh.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_mortar

Have you seen The Bridge on the River Kwai? (if not, feel shame!) That's the most predominant appearance of one I can think of in media. The British commandos use one when they're trying to destroy the Japanese bridge and it eventually kills the British prisoner who'd gone native and tried to disarm the explosives.

This is cooler.

I think I will issue these two to a squad tbh.

Galla, I counter with my first world 120mm mortar technical.

[Galla-]

This is cooler.

I think I will issue these two to a squad tbh.

Galla, I counter with my first world 120mm mortar technical.

patria pasi is cooler

mercedes with davy crockett in back

[Ularn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_mortar

Have you seen The Bridge on the River Kwai? (if not, feel shame!) That's the most predominant appearance of one I can think of in media. The British commandos use one when they're trying to destroy the Japanese bridge and it eventually kills the British prisoner who'd gone native and tried to disarm the explosives.

This is cooler.

I think I will issue these two to a squad tbh.

I think that's closer to what was actually in The Bridge on the River Kwai, although you could probably argue that they are also a type of commando mortar. I might think about an FT version for my marines. Nuclear warheads a possibility?

[Zoraqunom]

Anaan esaam Qun.
Translated:
Victory is in the Qun.

// The Arishok of the Triumvirate

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Anaan esaam Qun.
Translated:
Victory is in the Qun.

// The Arishok of the Triumvirate

My mortar technicals outguns your MG technicals by 110mm's of high explosives, your point?

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Anaan esaam Qun.
Translated:
Victory is in the Qun.

// The Arishok of the Triumvirate

My mortar technicals outguns your MG technicals by 110mm's of high explosives, your point?

seems plausible but i don't see it being easy to aim a mortar on a moving technical. i mean sure on specialized vehicles i would assume it'd work, but on those things that insurgents and unprofessional African militias use...well then I'd pick an MG technical any day. explosives are great but if i expected a militia style run in where the truck moves by with it's armament firing like crazy, then MG it is. If you're going the boring but practical way of moving and stopping at points to fire, i suppose mortars could work...

just half a penny for my thought there...

[Sevvania]

The design of the armored vehicle in this picture caught my eye. Well, after the huge wings they were trying to attach to it. But, aside from the wings, how effective would something like the base vehicle be in a WWI/WWII battlefield?

[San-Silvacian]

(Image)

The design of the armored vehicle in this picture caught my eye. Well, after the huge wings they were trying to attach to it. But, aside from the wings, how effective would something like the base vehicle be in a WWI/WWII battlefield?

Your enemy's AA gunners would send a letter of thanks for the target practice.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

the soviets actually tried this

didn't rlly work

[Sevvania]

(Image)

The design of the armored vehicle in this picture caught my eye. Well, after the huge wings they were trying to attach to it. But, aside from the wings, how effective would something like the base vehicle be in a WWI/WWII battlefield?

Your enemy's AA gunners would send a letter of thanks for the target practice.

Yeah, that's.... that's why I said, "aside from the wings"....