NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

by **The Seven Realms** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:01 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
The Seven Realms wrote:
I'm not looking to increase carrying capacity. I want to decrease launch time by having more than one runway.

angled flight deck solves that problem.

How fast?

by **The UK in Exile** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:01 am

The Seven Realms wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
angled flight deck solves that problem.

How fast?

because its two runways on one deck.

by **The Seven Realms** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:04 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
The Seven Realms wrote:
How fast?

because its two runways on one deck.

Thank you.

by **Vitaphone Racing** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:11 am

You're still limited by how fast you can bring planes up from the hangar. If you're going to be operating all catapults, the flight deck will have to be near completely clear.

by **The Seven Realms** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:15 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:You're still limited by how fast you can bring planes up from the hangar. If you're going to be operating all catapults, the flight deck will have to be near completely clear.

I was just thinking of launching a squad of four at once.

by **The UK in Exile** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:19 am

The Seven Realms wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:You're still limited by how fast you can bring planes up from the hangar. If you're going to be operating all catapults, the flight deck will have to be near completely clear.

I was just thinking of launching a squad of four at once.

not going to happen for very obvious reasons. your launching all 4 in the same direction. your begging for collisions.

by **The Seven Realms** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:25 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
The Seven Realms wrote:
I was just thinking of launching a squad of four at once.

not going to happen for very obvious reasons. your launching all 4 in the same direction. your begging for collisions.

I can't launch from the angled deck at the same time at the front one?

by **Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:35 pm

Just have a bank of ZLL stations.

Plane rolls up, gets rocket fitted by automatic equipment, and is loaded onto a launch rack for prompt launch.

What's that? My carrier just launched a squadron at once? MUAHAHAHAHA

by **The Corparation** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:40 pm

The Seven Realms wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
not going to happen for very obvious reasons. your launching all 4 in the same direction. your begging for collisions.

I can't launch from the angled deck at the same time at the front one?

The catapults on the angled deck and the main deck's trajectories overlap a bit. You can launch them in quick succession but not at the same time.

by **The Seven Realms** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:46 pm

The Corparation wrote:
The Seven Realms wrote:
I can't launch from the angled deck at the same time at the front one?

The catapults on the angled deck and the main deck's trajectories overlap a bit. You can launch them in quick succession but not at the same time.

I guess that works....

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:Just have a bank of ZLL stations.

Plane rolls up, gets rocket fitted by automatic equipment, and is loaded onto a launch rack for prompt launch.

What's that? My carrier just launched a squadron at once? MUAHAHAHAHA

...although this is tempting.

by **San-Silvacian** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:57 pm

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/paul_541/USACVN-68Nimitz2007Paul-2.png

This image should help.

If you notice the two catapults on the side, one is placed behind the other, but, that is just to make room for the aresstor cables. If you put two aircraft on both launchers and fired them off at once, they'd hit, or at least, the second one off would get baked by the after burner of the first. You would have to fire off the first, then the second, as firing the second would tear into the firsts wings off, and jet fuel + live ordinance + explosion = bad for you, good for you enemy.

Another thing, I've never seen them launch more than one aircraft at a time. From what I understand from a friend who served on carriers during the 90s, they only launched one aircraft at a time with a second ready to launch as to allow the majority of the launching crews to be focused on the launching aircraft to greatly reduce the chances of a safety hazard. This might also be because the right one is angled into the path of the left one, meaning that the aircraft may clear each other during takeoff, but might impact right after getting off the deck.

Plus, the two launchers off to the side are typically not used and reserved for helicopters to take off and land and seeing as how common submarines are used on NS, you'd be close to stupid if you didn't have even 2 SH-60 or equivalents there loaded with ASW gear.

by **The Seven Realms** » Sun May 06, 2012 1:09 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/paul_541/USACVN-68Nimitz2007Paul-2.png

This image should help.

If you notice the two catapults on the side, one is placed behind the other, but, that is just to make room for the aresstor cables. If you put two aircraft on both launchers and fired them off at once, they'd hit, or at least, the second one off would get baked by the after burner of the first. You would have to fire off the first, then the second, as firing the second would tear into the firsts wings off, and jet fuel + live ordinance + explosion = bad for you, good for you enemy.

Another thing, I've never seen them launch more than one aircraft at a time. From what I understand from a friend who served on carriers during the 90s, they only launched one aircraft at a time with a second ready to launch as to allow the majority of the launching crews to be focused on the launching aircraft to greatly reduce the chances of a safety hazard. This might also be because the right one is angled into the path of the left one, meaning that the aircraft may clear each other during takeoff, but might impact right after getting off the deck.

Plus, the two launchers off to the side are typically not used and reserved for helicopters to take off and land and seeing as how common submarines are used on NS, you'd be close to stupid if you didn't have even 2 SH-60 or equivalents there loaded with ASW gear.

How about in quick succession like The Corporation said? That would be enough for me.

by **San-Silvacian** » Sun May 06, 2012 1:22 pm

Doable, but, RL speaking, they tend to make sure the aircraft launched is in the air and a good distance above and away from the carrier before launching another one, which wouldn't take long, maybe 10-20 seconds.

by **Risen Britannia** » Sun May 06, 2012 2:23 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Watching that beast discharge it's entire arsenal all at once must be... glorious.

I assume by "glorious" you mean interesting watching the hull buckle and tear under the pressure?

by **Atelia** » Sun May 06, 2012 2:57 pm

Guys is a tank the size of an suv with a 185mm gun pluasible while not having really weak armour.

Embassy · by **Lubyak** » Sun May 06, 2012 2:59 pm

Atelia wrote:Guys is a tank the size of an suv with a 185mm gun pluasible while not having really weak armour.

MY first reaction?

No.

by **Atelia** » Sun May 06, 2012 3:04 pm

Lubyak wrote:
Atelia wrote:Guys is a tank the size of an suv with a 185mm gun pluasible while not having really weak armour.

MY first reaction?

No.

ok if i gave it light armour and an 145mm gun can that work and if so how fast would it go.

by **Risen Britannia** » Sun May 06, 2012 3:17 pm

what era?

although its only a 183mm gun.

by **Nirvash Type TheEND** » Sun May 06, 2012 3:19 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:Just have a bank of ZLL stations.

Plane rolls up, gets rocket fitted by automatic equipment, and is loaded onto a launch rack for prompt launch.

What's that? My carrier just launched a squadron at once? MUAHAHAHAHA

This is why we love you.

by **Atelia** » Sun May 06, 2012 3:24 pm

Risen Britannia wrote:what era?
(Image)

although its only a 183mm gun.

modern.

by **Crookfur** » Sun May 06, 2012 3:59 pm

Atelia wrote:Guys is a tank the size of an suv with a 185mm gun pluasible while not having really weak armour.

With SUV size you are looking at alight 90mm gun max ala Panhard AML.

Unless of course your SUV calssification would include stuff massing 30 odd tons, in which case yeah you can have upto a 152mm gun (although more likely a 105, 120 or 125mm gun). Armour will still be pretty minimal though.

by **Nirvash Type TheEND** » Sun May 06, 2012 4:08 pm

Risen Britannia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Watching that beast discharge it's entire arsenal all at once must be... glorious.

I assume by "glorious" you mean interesting watching the hull buckle and tear under the pressure?

Coordinated display of the weapons going off in sequence then.

by **Atelia** » Sun May 06, 2012 4:22 pm

Crookfur wrote:
Atelia wrote:Guys is a tank the size of an suv with a 185mm gun pluasible while not having really weak armour.

With SUV size you are looking at alight 90mm gun max ala Panhard AML.

Unless of course your SUV calssification would include stuff massing 30 odd tons, in which case yeah you can have upto a 152mm gun (although more likely a 105, 120 or 125mm gun). Armour will still be pretty minimal though.

ok so as long as i have light armour and have only an 145mm gun how fast would it go.

by **Crookfur** » Sun May 06, 2012 4:28 pm

Atelia wrote:
Crookfur wrote:
With SUV size you are looking at alight 90mm gun max ala Panhard AML.

Unless of course your SUV calssification would include stuff massing 30 odd tons, in which case yeah you can have upto a 152mm gun (although more likely a 105, 120 or 125mm gun). Armour will still be pretty minimal though.

ok so as long as i have light armour and have only an 145mm gun how fast would it go.

about 70km/h on road, 45km/h off road, assuming you have tracks.

If you are talking about a wheeled vehicle then road speed climbs to about 100km/h with off road speeds a roughly simialr to a bit bit slower than an equivelent tracked vehicle.

by **San-Silvacian** » Sun May 06, 2012 4:30 pm

lolbigarmy.

Just wondering if this is possible?

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