NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[Questers]

btr-90 is the best apc

[Immoren]

btr-90 is the best apc

Patria AMV can be up-armoured to withstand fire from BTR-90's main gun at its front sector. (Or so I remember reading.)

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

The battleships just a shore bombardment thing anyway.

And every military needs cool over practicality factor anyway.

except roanship's cannons can bombard a target from a continent away probably more >:

They can bombard anything in the world since they can put a rocket-assisted shell into orbit.

[Vault 1]

...for which neither is a ship useful (just why?), neither do you need the shell part, because 1-2 km/s provided by a gun is only 2-5% of the energy required to put something in orbit.


edit: I don't remember the ship, which might mean that it's old, before my time old.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

[Vault 1]

Ah, I vaguely recall that one.

Let me just say, anyway, that gun-rocket combo doesn't work for putting things in orbit. For every extra percent of energy that you save with a gun, you pay a much greater penalty in additional weight of the shell.


edit: But I think it might come from post-Sarzroom time, when it wasn't even intended to be realistic.

[San-Silvacian]

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Please evaluate this and tell me what would not be possible and what traits you think it could feature.

Hey look, a window.

Hey look, a rocket just slammed into the window and detonated inside, killing the crew and everything inside, then the APC itself blows up, killing the small group of troops around and wounding a number of other troops caught by the fragmentation.

Hey look, one of those fragments went though the window of another windowed APC and killed the driver, he just drove into a wall.

And so on.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

(Image)
Please evaluate this and tell me what would not be possible and what traits you think it could feature.

Hey look, a window.

Hey look, a rocket just slammed into the window and detonated inside, killing the crew and everything inside, then the APC itself blows up, killing the small group of troops around and wounding a number of other troops caught by the fragmentation.

Hey look, one of those fragments went though the window of another windowed APC and killed the driver, he just drove into a wall.

And so on.

i thought periscopes would have created that problem...except they aren't actually horizontally connected to the armored vehicle..and they're smaller...and nvm I'll shut up...

[San-Silvacian]

Hey look, a window.

Hey look, a rocket just slammed into the window and detonated inside, killing the crew and everything inside, then the APC itself blows up, killing the small group of troops around and wounding a number of other troops caught by the fragmentation.

Hey look, one of those fragments went though the window of another windowed APC and killed the driver, he just drove into a wall.

And so on.

i thought periscopes would have created that problem...except they aren't actually horizontally connected to the armored vehicle..and they're smaller...and nvm I'll shut up...

They wouldn't. If a rocket hit its, a rocket hit its. There might a boom and other stuff, but no massive lol.

I'd go with small visors located around the driver's area.

[Bafuria]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Looks like the result of an arms race that went on for too long.

[San-Silvacian]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Looks like the result of an arms race that went on for too long.

It also has a rammer for fuck you.

[The UK in Exile]

Don't. As far as I understand the technical limitations and problems are just not worth it for the small decrease in size that you get. And current carriers already carry as much aircraft as they can handle. Better to use that space for cargo and fuel.

I'm not looking to increase carrying capacity. I want to decrease launch time by having more than one runway.

angled flight deck solves that problem.

[-The Desert Rangers]

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Please evaluate this and tell me what would not be possible and what traits you think it could feature.

1. Windows are a horrible idea on any kind of military vehicle.
2. The windows are also a major weak point and lolhueg to boot.
3. The sloping on the front is weird and probably is probably weaker than a conventionally armored front.
4. The M113 has never and will never be called the 'Gavin' by anyone except mike sparks.

That's about it,but I'm sure other people can think of more weaknesses...

[Transnapastain]

4. The M113 has never and will never be called the 'Gavin' by anyone except mike sparks.

While I know its not the official name, and I certainly don't refer to the M113 as the "Gavin", and I am in no way stupid enough to defend anything that man says....it has persisted enough to make its way into more official government documents (obviously composed by misinformed individuals, but, people see it in print, it becomes fact, and all that)

I imagine that was written by a lawyer or aide to the IG"s office, and not actual or current military officer.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Watching that beast discharge it's entire arsenal all at once must be... glorious.

[Strykla]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Is that a Concorde on the #3 gun turret?

I'm not looking to increase carrying capacity. I want to decrease launch time by having more than one runway.

angled flight deck solves that problem.

Well, angled flight decks allow ships to launch and receive at the same time. But a startlingly common misconception is that carriers can launch at any time; this is not true. A carrier has to turn into the wind so that wind is flowing over the bow when the catapults go; this generates increased lift. If a Super Hornet dropped 20,000 pounds of stuff, it would be able to launch at any time, but that 20,000 pounds is what the plane carries for jobs.

And on the mongrel gun/rocket hybrid, I say don't do it. Railguns are far better for throwing shells long distance; a 64-mj railgun would have the striking power of a conventional-warhead Tomahawk with almost zero warning, unlike the subsonic cruise missile, though not as much distance. Still, the cost of a ferrous shot is really not a lot compared to a cruise missile.
Gunfire support > Missile support

[San-Silvacian]

Its an XB-70.

[Galla-]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Is that a Concorde on the #3 gun turret?

b-70 valkyrie

you dont even notice the SLAMs on the twin rails tho

also, a railgun isn't going to reach orbit unlike like roan's HARP >:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_HARP

[The UK in Exile]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Is that a Concorde on the #3 gun turret?

angled flight deck solves that problem.

Well, angled flight decks allow ships to launch and receive at the same time. But a startlingly common misconception is that carriers can launch at any time; this is not true. A carrier has to turn into the wind so that wind is flowing over the bow when the catapults go; this generates increased lift. If a Super Hornet dropped 20,000 pounds of stuff, it would be able to launch at any time, but that 20,000 pounds is what the plane carries for jobs.

And on the mongrel gun/rocket hybrid, I say don't do it. Railguns are far better for throwing shells long distance; a 64-mj railgun would have the striking power of a conventional-warhead Tomahawk with almost zero warning, unlike the subsonic cruise missile, though not as much distance. Still, the cost of a ferrous shot is really not a lot compared to a cruise missile.
Gunfire support > Missile support

if you look at the nimitz class deck plan it has four cats, all point aproxx the same direction. now clearly you can't launch from all four at the same time, but you can have two being prepped whilst two are launching etc.

[Bafuria]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Watching that beast discharge it's entire arsenal all at once must be... glorious.

The discharge would also make everyone at RAF Fylingdales shit their pants.

[Arkania 5]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Really?

[Galla-]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Really?

yes rly

why not?

[Kouralia]

They're hilariously huge high-pressure liquid-bipropellant (hilarious rocket fuel in this case) guns with a staggeringly large propellant load and a 90-meter barrel firing what are pretty much saboted rockets. And it's not like they can only fire just that, they can fire a range of projectiles for every conceivable engagement range, from your enemy's capital on the other side of the planet to that dinghy a kilometer away from the ship.

what's next, are you going to ask why it has SEA-SLAM arm launchers

Oh dear god, please tell me that's for sale!

For lulz, a new flag-ship of the Kouralian fleets...

[Purpelia]

Lol, that reminds me of a RPG on another board. The GM basically said we can only have destroyers and stuff for our starting fleet, no carriers and only one missile cruiser. With him figuring we would take something sane. I took a Kirov... much curbstomping ensued.

[The UK in Exile]

Lol, that reminds me of a RPG on another board. The GM basically said we can only have destroyers and stuff for our starting fleet, no carriers and only one missile cruiser. With him figuring we would take something sane. I took a Kirov... much curbstomping ensued.

should have gone with the Kuznetsov class "heavy aviation cruiser." pedantry for the win.