NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[Altaiire]

Killdozer as a technical, yea or nay, for the lulz

It's got 1 foot thick steel-concrete composite armor, and two firing ports for weapons.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

*weeps bitter tears*

Wires do not confer jamming immunity.

WHY DO I NEED TO KEEP SAYING THIS. They are not even a form of guidance, anything wire guided can be designed with a radio command link instead. All they are is a relay between the launcher and missile.

Neither does semi-active laser homing.

Quite simply there is no such thing as jam immunity. An imaging infrared or MMW radar seeker will have extremely high resistance to ECM though, to the point deceptive or screening countermeasures like smoke/chaff and camouflage will be much more practical for ground vehicles than ECM.

This, and providing examples to Kyiv's point, the AN/VLQ-6 "Hardhat" used on the M1A1 Abrams and Shtora-1 used on the T-72BU/T-90 were both designed to defeat SALCOS, wire-guided ATGMs like the 9K1111 Fagot and TOW.

SALCOS missiles are actually really easy to jam. They just require IR lamps.

http://defense-update.com/products/s/shtora-1.htm

Pay particular attention to the part where it mentions HOT, TOW, and Fagot.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Another thing about bullpups, is that they're more akward to use, and require more training for soldiers to get used to.

Some bullpups can be adapted for sinistral use (FAMAS, AUG) while others eliminate the handedness issue completely (F2000), so I don't really see a reason why bullpups shouldn't be adopted.

I don't remember who said it, but someone on here once said that bullpups were just logical as military weapons. We only have "traditional layout" rifles because the first automatics we had were conversions of bolt-action rifles.

[Sciox]

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Killdozer as a technical, yea or nay, for the lulz

It's got 1 foot thick steel-concrete composite armor, and two firing ports for weapons.

I'm gonna say nay. A regular technical may not have as much armor but it would be a hell of a lot more nimble in an urban environment. That killdozer is just begging for a ATGM up it's tailpipe, even if the pilot survives by some miracle it would probably have it's tracks blown off and would be stuck there until the aircraft that disabled it comes around for another pass.

[Germania Alliance]

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Killdozer as a technical, yea or nay, for the lulz

It's got 1 foot thick steel-concrete composite armor, and two firing ports for weapons.

I'm gonna say nay. A regular technical may not have as much armor but it would be a hell of a lot more nimble in an urban environment. That killdozer is just begging for a ATGM up it's tailpipe, even if the pilot survives by some miracle it would probably have it's tracks blown off and would be stuck there until the aircraft that disabled it comes around for another pass.

Minus the fact that real nations actually do have combat dozers designed specifically to plow down enemy defenses... Even if they aren't meant for sustained combat.

A "killdozer" as an MBT is impractical, but with two firing ports, it could prove to be invaluable in certain situations.

[The Kievan People]

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Killdozer as a technical, yea or nay, for the lulz

It's got 1 foot thick steel-concrete composite armor, and two firing ports for weapons.

This would be rather easy to kill with an RPG. Concrete is not a very effective defense against shaped charges.

[Allanea]

It would?

How much concrete can an RPG penetrate? Got numbers on that?

Remember, the HEAP cone has a *limited length*. A rubber sheet can stop an RPG if positioned right.

[Allanea]

I googled it. According to U.S. military documents, the RPG-7 can penetrate up to 60 centimeters of concrete. So this isn't anywhere near good enough.

[The Kievan People]

Rosoboronexport Catalogue claims +1.1m reinforced concrete penetration for the PG-7VL and +1.5m for the tandem PG-7VR grenades. This is broadly consistent with the low density of concrete compared to copper or steel.

Either either or it's enough, like you say.

[Malgrave]

I googled it. According to U.S. military documents, the RPG-7 can penetrate up to 60 centimeters of concrete. So this isn't anywhere near good enough.

Who the hell uses old RPG-7's. An RPG-27 could easily take it out.

[Immoren]

Although not RPG, theoretical penetration of Apilas against concrete is ~2 meters. Although it probably isn't most common AT-weapon in NS.

[Immoren]

I googled it. According to U.S. military documents, the RPG-7 can penetrate up to 60 centimeters of concrete. So this isn't anywhere near good enough.

Who the hell uses old RPG-7's. An RPG-27 could easily take it out.

They fill different "ecological" niches.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I googled it. According to U.S. military documents, the RPG-7 can penetrate up to 60 centimeters of concrete. So this isn't anywhere near good enough.

Who the hell uses old RPG-7's. An RPG-27 could easily take it out.

AntiGovernment Aliance for one, though they also enjoy stealing various Sapphirian equipments.
The -7 is still a useful weapon for light anti-armour, they still manufacture new warheads for them after all.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

I googled it. According to U.S. military documents, the RPG-7 can penetrate up to 60 centimeters of concrete. So this isn't anywhere near good enough.

Who the hell uses old RPG-7's. An RPG-27 could easily take it out.

As Allanea stated so could an RPG-7. Killdozer only has like one foot thickness of concrete.

[Sremski okrug]

How decent is a modernized Gazzele in modern combat?

[Anemos Major]

How decent is a modernized Gazzele in modern combat?

Gazelle.

The French still use them.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

How decent is a modernized Gazzele in modern combat?

Gazelle.

The French still use them.

So does the British Army Air Corps. They're highly manoeuvrable, and are excellent aerial observation and reconnaissance platforms. You can fit them with TOW missiles for anti-tank, but only if you can't afford a dedicated attack helicopter, like a Longbow Apache - wire-guided helicopter-launched missiles are a terrible idea in an actual warzone.

[Sremski okrug]

How decent is a modernized Gazzele in modern combat?

Gazelle.

The French still use them.

My bad I meant Gazelle. I was thinking of placing a modernized version of the engine inside the craft to increase performance and replacing the HOT Anti-Tank missiles with PARs missiles for a more multi-role performace.

[Immoren]

Are over 155mm guns worth it for army level arty groups, or should I go that way, that both corps and army level arty groups both have same three heavy arty battalions with 155mm guns, and only difference is that rocket arty battalion of corps level arty has BM-21 Grads, while army level arty groups have MLRS battalion?

Also brigade level arty regiment:
three light artillery battalions (122mm howitzers)
OR
Two light artillery battalions (122mm howitzers)+ Heavy artillery battalion (155mm guns)?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Gazelle.

The French still use them.

My bad I meant Gazelle. I was thinking of placing a modernized version of the engine inside the craft to increase performance and replacing the HOT Anti-Tank missiles with PARs missiles for a more multi-role performace.

They're already one of the most manoeuvrable and fastest combat helicopters in service, and they've been around since the 70s.
Like I said above, you could, but it'd be a better investment by going with a dedicated attack helicopter system either from the ground up or an existing programme like AH-64, Mi-28, Eurocopter or similar.

[Sremski okrug]

My bad I meant Gazelle. I was thinking of placing a modernized version of the engine inside the craft to increase performance and replacing the HOT Anti-Tank missiles with PARs missiles for a more multi-role performace.

They're already one of the most manoeuvrable and fastest combat helicopters in service, and they've been around since the 70s.
Like I said above, you could, but it'd be a better investment by going with a dedicated attack helicopter system either from the ground up or an existing programme like AH-64, Mi-28, Eurocopter or similar.

I'm using the version initially produced by the Yugoslav Air-Force under a licensing agreement in the 70's with an early edition engines. I'm modernizing my helicopters to the standards of the ones currently in the French Army although with modernized missiles.

[Allanea]

Who the hell uses old RPG-7's. An RPG-27 could easily take it out.

The IDF? The Russian Army? Several other armed forces? There are lots of advantages to an RPG-7 even in the modern environment.

[Sciox]

Who the hell uses old RPG-7's. An RPG-27 could easily take it out.

The IDF? The Russian Army? Several other armed forces? There are lots of advantages to an RPG-7 even in the modern environment.

Especially with more modern warheads. As long as they keep producing more powerful rockets for it to fire, the RPG-7 will always be able to stand toe to toe with newer rocket launchers.

[The Kievan People]

I googled it. According to U.S. military documents, the RPG-7 can penetrate up to 60 centimeters of concrete. So this isn't anywhere near good enough.

Who the hell uses old RPG-7's. An RPG-27 could easily take it out.

1. Disposable v. Reloadable
2. The tandem RPG-7 warhead is essentially the same as the RPG-27 warhead.
3. The real MAXIMUM POWER answer is the RPG-28.

[Premislyd]

How effective would satellites be?