NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[Vitaphone Racing]

Good luck hitting anything with a prussian needle gun that's further away than 50 metres. If infantry fired before 50-70 metres, they'd be wasting their shots. They might get one volley off before the cavalry reaches them. Three rounds in ten seconds? Unlikey. Maybe 2 at absolute best. Pretty hard to reload or do anything without fumbling under the pressure of 101 horses charging at you.

Even if they get a volley off, it isn't going to stop the charge. The cavalry will easily carry most of their strength through to the infantry lines and the initial force of the charge will kill, injure or disable most of the infantry. Being up high in a sword fight is also a nice advantage.

[Sen]

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synthetic leather. don't want to be accused of cruelty to animals.

The leather is made from the finest lambskin, peeled slowly from their still-living bodies.

The horrible, agonizing pain makes the seats that much comfier.

[Spirit of Hope]

Good luck hitting anything with a prussian needle gun that's further away than 50 metres. If infantry fired before 50-70 metres, they'd be wasting their shots. They might get one volley off before the cavalry reaches them. Three rounds in ten seconds? Unlikey. Maybe 2 at absolute best. Pretty hard to reload or do anything without fumbling under the pressure of 101 horses charging at you.

Even if they get a volley off, it isn't going to stop the charge. The cavalry will easily carry most of their strength through to the infantry lines and the initial force of the charge will kill, injure or disable most of the infantry. Being up high in a sword fight is also a nice advantage.

Bayonets, square formation. Calvary by the 1800 were really no longer carrying out frontal charges, they were more regulated to scouting and flanking maneuvers. Bayonets gave every soldier an instant spear, and with the ability to continue firing even with said bayonet attached. Square formation did't allow calvary to punch through the line, and allowed infantry to pile up and be ranked deeper.

[Yes Im Biop]

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Someone is trying to steal my god damned spotlight... Time for the ol nut hair brained scheming.

[Alameda California]

How effective would a T-64 or a T-72 be in a MT war?

[Jagalonia]

How effective would a T-64 or a T-72 be in a MT war?

Stock? It wouldn't.

[Grand Britannia]

So...

I want to use under-barrel flamethrowers...Is it plausible?

[Hittanryan]

So...

I want to use under-barrel flamethrowers...Is it plausible?

Under the barrel of what?

[Grand Britannia]

So...

I want to use under-barrel flamethrowers...Is it plausible?

Under the barrel of what?

Assault rifle comes to mind.

[The Akasha Colony]

So...

I want to use under-barrel flamethrowers...Is it plausible?

You mean like the ones they used in Call of Duty: Black Ops? Unless you're going to give it a full supply of fuel in a backpack, complete with pressurizer, it won't be terribly effective. You'll get a few meters at most of a short burst of flame, not a true 'spray and pray' weapon like classic flamethrowers. And if you're using the whole flamethrower kit, at that point it's just a flamethrower with a gun mounted on top, rather than an under-barrel flamethrower. A normal grenade launcher with incendiary grenades would be more useful, or an under-barrel shotgun if close-combat work is desired.

[Grand Britannia]

So...

I want to use under-barrel flamethrowers...Is it plausible?

You mean like the ones they used in Call of Duty: Black Ops? Unless you're going to give it a full supply of fuel in a backpack, complete with pressurizer, it won't be terribly effective. You'll get a few meters at most of a short burst of flame, not a true 'spray and pray' weapon like classic flamethrowers. And if you're using the whole flamethrower kit, at that point it's just a flamethrower with a gun mounted on top, rather than an under-barrel flamethrower. A normal grenade launcher with incendiary grenades would be more useful, or an under-barrel shotgun if close-combat work is desired.

I never really played Black Ops, so I'm not sure what they look like.

Just curious if it was possible.Though, I don't know. Maybe I'll end up putting an AR on top of the flamethrower.

[The Corparation]

Posted this in the fighter thread but sicne this thread gets more traffic figured it owuldn't hurt ot put it here as well

In 2009 the Polaris Defense Solutions was given the difficult of creating a next generation aircraft to replace the nation's aging fleet of C-130s in special operations squadrons. The replacement would be a low-observable STOL aircraft incorporating the latest advances in aviation. The program was dubbed C-XXX ATAL (Advanced Tactical Air-lifter) and helped form the basis for NGAPP (Next Generation Aircraft Procurement Program) The aircraft was to have a cargo capacity equal to or greater than the C-130J and a comparable or shorter takeoff and landing distances. The aircraft was also designed to be able to be adapted to virtually every role that the C-130 has undertaken in its long history of service. By mid-2011 initial studies had been concluded and work started on wind tunnel testing. Construction of the first prototype began in late 2013. In January of 2015 the aircraft performed its first flight after a month of taxi tests. Flight testing continued for the next several years, notable milestones include the creation of NGAPP in early 2012 and the ATAL projects subsequent inclusion into the program, a late 2015 STOL demonstration in which the aircraft took off and landed in only a few hundred feet not as little s a C-130J’s run, but still shorter than many comparable jet aircraft, and the March 2017 Ariel Refueling tests, one of the first demonstrations of a full sized low RCS tanker aircraft in action. Due to the high program costs however the decision was made to go from replacing nearly the wholeC-130 fleet to merely supplementing and replacing aging C-130s in special operations squadrons. In June of 2020 the ATAL officially entered service with the 5th Special Operations Support Squadron as the C-230 NIKE.

In order to maintain the aircrafts low profile, the Nike is propelled by two high-bypass turbofans buried behind S bend inlets and exiting over heat absorbent tiles to help reduce the aircraft’s infrared signature. The exhaust placement above the wings also allows the aircraft to take advantage of the Coandă effect, giving the aircraft superior performance at low altitudes. Top mounted Thrust Reverses give the Nike the ability to both descend and brake more rapidly and easily during landing as well as the ability to more efficiently taxi at rough unimproved airfields which may not have aircraft tugs. Due to its larger cargo capacity, heavier weight and jet engines, the Nike did fail in meeting the goal of a shorter takeoff run then the C-130J although its take off and landings are still much shorter than many other comparable jet transport aircraft.
The Nike comes equipped with an advanced AESA radar system, with both a nose and two conformally mounted arrays. These arrays allow the aircraft to safely and easily fly at low levels, hugging the terrain without giving away the aircrafts location, and they also serve as a communications system allowing similarly equipped NGAPP aircraft to exchange large amounts of data to optimize the coordination of a mission’s air assets. In addition to the ASEA array the Nike comes equipped with a wide variety of other communications gear and sensors including satellite data uplinks, GPS, and radar warning receiver among other systems. The aircraft is also equipped with flare and chaff dispensers to defend itself should it be detected and fired upon.

The aircraft's 387 cubic meter cargo deck allow it to carry more than 30 tons worth of cargo, including up to half a dozen standard pallets, or even a medium armored vehicle. The aircraft is also capable of carrying 80 airborne paratroopers into action, and its low RCS gives it an unparalleled advantage in its ability to deliver them deep into enemy airspace with a minimal risk of detection. At the fore end of the cargo bay is an entry stair up to the cockpit on the right and a small restroom w/ a chemical toilet and disinfectant wipes on the left.

The Nike comes equipped for aerial refueling with both a dorsal boom receptacle and retractable boom, both hidden behind hatches when not in use to preserve the aircrafts low RCS. The Nike is also capable itself of performing the role of a tanker, having the ability to be equipped with a special refueling kit containing a massive fuel tank (carrying over 13,600 Liters of Fuel) and a hose system that is deployed out of the aircrafts cargo door both hooked up to the aircraft’s own fuel tanks. The hose can be deployed within a minute and can be retracted in a similarly short amount of time. The hose is capable of transferring over a kiloliter a minute enabling the rapid refueling of friendly aircraft. This setup allows the aircraft to retain its low RCS when not engaged in refueling operations by simply reeling in the hose and closing the cargo bay door. This coupled with the high rate of transfer of the hose and its rapid deployment and retraction give the aircraft and unprecedented ability to refuel near enemy airspace with the task force aircraft’s RCS are compromised for a very brief period of time. Experiments have been performed with externally mounted pods with both additional fuel and extra hose systems to enable the refueling of more aircraft as well as the ability to refuel multiple aircraft at once, however there was found no way to do this without compromising the aircraft’s RCS, nevertheless the ability to mount such pods is being looked into for some Block II Aircraft to give them the ability to refuel multiple aircraft when RCS is not a major mission factor.

The ATAL Nike carries the traditional 4 man aircrew layout of previous Corparate transport aircraft, with two pilots, a flight engineer and a load master. The pilots and Flight Engineer sit in a spacious all glass cockpit. The Nike's cockpit instrumentation and flight controls were also to form the basis of the NGAPP multiengine aircraft standard. This new standardization of flight control systems will allow the Air Force to simplify and optimize training future crew on Corparate aircraft. The loadmaster's job is aided by digital scale system incorporated into the aircraft’s landing gear allowing the loadmaster to precisely gauge the cargo’s weight and thus better optimizes its distribution in the aircraft's cargo bay.

Then Nike is one of the next generation of aircraft, being manufactured primarily out of advance composite materials such as advanced Carbon-fiber-reinforced polymers. This high use of composites allows for a lighter stronger airframe enabling a greater payload, and increased fuel efficiency due to the lower weight of the aircraft. In addition to its stealthy airframe design, the Nike is coated in an advanced radar absorbent coating to help it evade enemy radar systems.
Future plans for the aircraft include, electronic surveillance variants, a lightly armed gunship (Featuring retractable cannons to preserve RCS when not firing) is under consideration and even the capability of carrying MOAB and FOAB type weapons. An Export version is currently being developed with downgraded avionics and an older type of radar absorbent coating.
Stat block:

• Length:33 meters
• Height: 6.5 Meters Body, 11 meters Tail. Sits .5-.8 meters taller w/ landing gear.
• Width: 40 meters
• Engines: 2 General Electric CF6-80 High Bypass Turbofans, equipped w/ thrust reversers.
• Range: In excess of 3,000 miles (Unlimited w/ aerial-refueling.
• Crew: Pilot/ Commander Copilot, Navigator/flight engineer, loadmaster.
• Cargo bay is 21.5 meters long by 4 meters wide by 4.5 meters tall.
• Payload:
o 60,000lbs (Around half that for STOL)
o Up to 120 Troops (With center line Seating.)
o Up to 80 Airborne Troops
o 2-3 Light vehicles
o 1 Medium Armored Vehicle
o Up to 70 litter patients with 2-4 medical personnel
For the gunship variant planned armament includes:
2-25mm GAU-12 cannons
1-40mm Bofors gun

Unit Price: 225 Million NSD
Limited Domestic Production Rights will be granted on a case by case basis.
Gunship Variant: Price not set.

Other pic:

[San-Silvacian]

Posted this in the fighter thread but sicne this thread gets more traffic figured it owuldn't hurt ot put it here as well

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In 2009 the Polaris Defense Solutions was given the difficult of creating a next generation aircraft to replace the nation's aging fleet of C-130s in special operations squadrons. The replacement would be a low-observable STOL aircraft incorporating the latest advances in aviation. The program was dubbed C-XXX ATAL (Advanced Tactical Air-lifter) and helped form the basis for NGAPP (Next Generation Aircraft Procurement Program) The aircraft was to have a cargo capacity equal to or greater than the C-130J and a comparable or shorter takeoff and landing distances. The aircraft was also designed to be able to be adapted to virtually every role that the C-130 has undertaken in its long history of service. By mid-2011 initial studies had been concluded and work started on wind tunnel testing. Construction of the first prototype began in late 2013. In January of 2015 the aircraft performed its first flight after a month of taxi tests. Flight testing continued for the next several years, notable milestones include the creation of NGAPP in early 2012 and the ATAL projects subsequent inclusion into the program, a late 2015 STOL demonstration in which the aircraft took off and landed in only a few hundred feet not as little s a C-130J’s run, but still shorter than many comparable jet aircraft, and the March 2017 Ariel Refueling tests, one of the first demonstrations of a full sized low RCS tanker aircraft in action. Due to the high program costs however the decision was made to go from replacing nearly the wholeC-130 fleet to merely supplementing and replacing aging C-130s in special operations squadrons. In June of 2020 the ATAL officially entered service with the 5th Special Operations Support Squadron as the C-230 NIKE.

In order to maintain the aircrafts low profile, the Nike is propelled by two high-bypass turbofans buried behind S bend inlets and exiting over heat absorbent tiles to help reduce the aircraft’s infrared signature. The exhaust placement above the wings also allows the aircraft to take advantage of the Coandă effect, giving the aircraft superior performance at low altitudes. Top mounted Thrust Reverses give the Nike the ability to both descend and brake more rapidly and easily during landing as well as the ability to more efficiently taxi at rough unimproved airfields which may not have aircraft tugs. Due to its larger cargo capacity, heavier weight and jet engines, the Nike did fail in meeting the goal of a shorter takeoff run then the C-130J although its take off and landings are still much shorter than many other comparable jet transport aircraft.
The Nike comes equipped with an advanced AESA radar system, with both a nose and two conformally mounted arrays. These arrays allow the aircraft to safely and easily fly at low levels, hugging the terrain without giving away the aircrafts location, and they also serve as a communications system allowing similarly equipped NGAPP aircraft to exchange large amounts of data to optimize the coordination of a mission’s air assets. In addition to the ASEA array the Nike comes equipped with a wide variety of other communications gear and sensors including satellite data uplinks, GPS, and radar warning receiver among other systems. The aircraft is also equipped with flare and chaff dispensers to defend itself should it be detected and fired upon.

The aircraft's 387 cubic meter cargo deck allow it to carry more than 30 tons worth of cargo, including up to half a dozen standard pallets, or even a medium armored vehicle. The aircraft is also capable of carrying 80 airborne paratroopers into action, and its low RCS gives it an unparalleled advantage in its ability to deliver them deep into enemy airspace with a minimal risk of detection. At the fore end of the cargo bay is an entry stair up to the cockpit on the right and a small restroom w/ a chemical toilet and disinfectant wipes on the left.

The Nike comes equipped for aerial refueling with both a dorsal boom receptacle and retractable boom, both hidden behind hatches when not in use to preserve the aircrafts low RCS. The Nike is also capable itself of performing the role of a tanker, having the ability to be equipped with a special refueling kit containing a massive fuel tank (carrying over 13,600 Liters of Fuel) and a hose system that is deployed out of the aircrafts cargo door both hooked up to the aircraft’s own fuel tanks. The hose can be deployed within a minute and can be retracted in a similarly short amount of time. The hose is capable of transferring over a kiloliter a minute enabling the rapid refueling of friendly aircraft. This setup allows the aircraft to retain its low RCS when not engaged in refueling operations by simply reeling in the hose and closing the cargo bay door. This coupled with the high rate of transfer of the hose and its rapid deployment and retraction give the aircraft and unprecedented ability to refuel near enemy airspace with the task force aircraft’s RCS are compromised for a very brief period of time. Experiments have been performed with externally mounted pods with both additional fuel and extra hose systems to enable the refueling of more aircraft as well as the ability to refuel multiple aircraft at once, however there was found no way to do this without compromising the aircraft’s RCS, nevertheless the ability to mount such pods is being looked into for some Block II Aircraft to give them the ability to refuel multiple aircraft when RCS is not a major mission factor.

The ATAL Nike carries the traditional 4 man aircrew layout of previous Corparate transport aircraft, with two pilots, a flight engineer and a load master. The pilots and Flight Engineer sit in a spacious all glass cockpit. The Nike's cockpit instrumentation and flight controls were also to form the basis of the NGAPP multiengine aircraft standard. This new standardization of flight control systems will allow the Air Force to simplify and optimize training future crew on Corparate aircraft. The loadmaster's job is aided by digital scale system incorporated into the aircraft’s landing gear allowing the loadmaster to precisely gauge the cargo’s weight and thus better optimizes its distribution in the aircraft's cargo bay.

Then Nike is one of the next generation of aircraft, being manufactured primarily out of advance composite materials such as advanced Carbon-fiber-reinforced polymers. This high use of composites allows for a lighter stronger airframe enabling a greater payload, and increased fuel efficiency due to the lower weight of the aircraft. In addition to its stealthy airframe design, the Nike is coated in an advanced radar absorbent coating to help it evade enemy radar systems.
Future plans for the aircraft include, electronic surveillance variants, a lightly armed gunship (Featuring retractable cannons to preserve RCS when not firing) is under consideration and even the capability of carrying MOAB and FOAB type weapons. An Export version is currently being developed with downgraded avionics and an older type of radar absorbent coating.
Stat block:
[spoiler]• Length:33 meters
• Height: 6.5 Meters Body, 11 meters Tail. Sits .5-.8 meters taller w/ landing gear.
• Width: 40 meters
• Engines: 2 General Electric CF6-80 High Bypass Turbofans, equipped w/ thrust reversers.
• Range: In excess of 3,000 miles (Unlimited w/ aerial-refueling.
• Crew: Pilot/ Commander Copilot, Navigator/flight engineer, loadmaster.
• Cargo bay is 21.5 meters long by 4 meters wide by 4.5 meters tall.
• Payload:
o 60,000lbs (Around half that for STOL)
o Up to 120 Troops (With center line Seating.)
o Up to 80 Airborne Troops
o 2-3 Light vehicles
o 1 Medium Armored Vehicle
o Up to 70 litter patients with 2-4 medical personnel
For the gunship variant planned armament includes:
2-25mm GAU-12 cannons
1-40mm Bofors gun

Unit Price: 225 Million NSD
Limited Domestic Production Rights will be granted on a case by case basis.
Gunship Variant: Price not set.

Other pic:

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This is nice. Where can i buy?

[Kouralia]

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I...
I think the second coming is here...

:-P

[Ularn]

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How does ammunition get from the hull to the bustle?

[Immoren]

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How does ammunition get from the hull to the bustle?

By the power of awesome.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

So...

I want to use under-barrel flamethrowers...Is it plausible?

You mean like the ones they used in Call of Duty: Black Ops? Unless you're going to give it a full supply of fuel in a backpack, complete with pressurizer, it won't be terribly effective. You'll get a few meters at most of a short burst of flame, not a true 'spray and pray' weapon like classic flamethrowers. And if you're using the whole flamethrower kit, at that point it's just a flamethrower with a gun mounted on top, rather than an under-barrel flamethrower. A normal grenade launcher with incendiary grenades would be more useful, or an under-barrel shotgun if close-combat work is desired.

Which is not to say that such a weapon might not have its uses. The ability to send a short-lived wall of fire down a hallway could certainly have its advantages, particularly in enclosed environments where grenades aren't such a great idea.

[Sen]

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How does ammunition get from the hull to the bustle?

The loader is set up as such: there are two 4-round rotary drums behind and to the side of the gun in the gunpod. These are the ready rounds, and are transferred to the gun with a loading arm-tray thing which is between the drums and above the height of the gun.

The hull magazine is an S-tank style magazine+loader, except instead of transferring rounds directly to the gun it transfers them to the gun-pod loading arm, which can load them into the bustle magazines.

S-tank autoloader details here under "charging machines" and "STRV-103".

[Jagalonia]

How does ammunition get from the hull to the bustle?

By the power of awesome.

By the power of greyskull!!!

[Indang]

HUKBONG DAGAT ng BAYANG-PULUAN ng INDANG

United States of Indang Navy
Naval Sea Systems Command

The Naval Sea Systems Command, together with SAL-TEK Institute of Technology, is proud to present:

the PALITS System™

The PALITS system, developed together with Deans and Students of SAL-TEK Institute of Technology, is a new revolutionary solution for your naval problems.

PALITS stands for Polymorphic Adaptive Low-Impact Transconfiguration Standard

Being the brainchild of 2009 Naval Defense Review conducted by the NSSC, the PALITS system is planned to be utilized on Indang Navy's ships, including surface combatants and even presidential yachts.

The PALITS System, although similar to Danish Navy's Stanflex, is a much more versatile system which focuses on integration of systems to your ship in a matter of hours.



TO install a weapon to your ship, with PALITS you'll only need a crane, disk drive and an IT guy.

Example of a High-caliber Gun 'driver':

[Tergnitz]

NS needs more UAVs and UCAVs; someone get on that

[Indang]

NS needs more UAVs and UCAVs; someone get on that

And somebody that will show that warships are not bought from shipyards, but rather from a defense contractor / project management firm.

[Purpelia]

synthetic leather. don't want to be accused of cruelty to animals.

The leather is made from the finest lambskin, peeled slowly from their still-living bodies.

The horrible, agonizing pain makes the seats that much comfier.

Do you offer those for export?

[Registug]

Hiyah, me again. I'm asking a question in regard to my anarchist-terrorist puppet (because switching on an iPod is silly), how well would a home-made thermite bomb do in a terrorist attack operating during a riot? Thermite bomb as an anti-vehicle weapons, say against police cars or police APCs and the like. Home-made like home-made thermite in a closed cylinder with a magnesium sparkler sticking out of the top.

Would it be better using the ol' anarchist petrol bomb?

[Anemos Major]

Square formation did't allow calvary to punch through the line, and allowed infantry to pile up and be ranked deeper.

Just going to have to point out that using organised formations with the Dreyse defeats the point of having such a weapon in the first place. By the time the Prussians were using it, other nations had rifled muskets with much longer ranges (which actually allowed infantry to engage cavalry without squares, as the Thin Red Line showed); the reason the Prussians were able to use such a short ranged weapon so effectively was pretty much because they abandoned close order formations (like squares) and adopted open-order Auftragstaktik.