NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Well, based on feedback here and a bit of Wikipedia browsing, looks like my army's service rifle will be the HK417. Any last feedback? Thoughts on this gun vs. others?

As long as your using HK. You could also give the G36C a look. Its my favorite gun for multiple reasons.

It has a 9 inch barrel and fires the 5.56 round.

I love it myself, but you should never issue a carbine as a main military weapon. Even the M4 has a barrel length of about 14 inches. Hittanryan also needs battle rifle cartridges, to deal with armour-using enemies, and at greater ranges.

[Immoren]

BTW. What are typical safety distances for arty and mortars in different RL armies? I remember reading somewhere that safety distance for indirect in US Army is 500 meters. Seems awfully long compared to Finnish ones, which are 100m for 81mm mortars and 200m for 120mm mortars and tube artillery, although it might have been refering to only artillery and not mortars.

[Premislyd]

How practical would it be to have rocket artillery like normal artillery (Like Nebelwerfers)

[Arkania 5]

How practical would it be to have rocket artillery like normal artillery (Like Nebelwerfers)

I use them in my Overkill Brigades. Aside from that, no.

BUT WAIT

Do you mean like MLRS?

[Germania Alliance]

I know for a fact that Patriots (no, not actual "patriots, I'm talking about the guys who operate the American Patriot missile launchers) fire missiles from over forty miles away. These guys (in most cases) never even see combat during their entire careers, other than when they have to fire missiles.

They come back with combat badges and never actually fight. Pfffft.

[Immoren]

How practical would it be to have rocket artillery like normal artillery (Like Nebelwerfers)

I use them in my Overkill Brigades. Aside from that, no.

BUT WAIT

Do you mean like MLRS?

I think he means this

instead of this

[Crookfur]

BTW. What are typical safety distances for arty and mortars in different RL armies? I remember reading somewhere that safety distance for indirect in US Army is 500 meters. Seems awfully long compared to Finnish ones, which are 100m for 81mm mortars and 200m for 120mm mortars and tube artillery, although it might have been refering to only artillery and not mortars.

this might help:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... t-comp.htm

IIRC these are peace tiem training mimumums. If you are better at reading americna military manuals than I am there is soem stuff in this doc:

http://coldweatherclothing.info/soldier ... tm#tab10-4

about Risk Estiamted Distances which seem to be a bit different to the Minimum Safe Distances.

[Premislyd]

I use them in my Overkill Brigades. Aside from that, no.

BUT WAIT

Do you mean like MLRS?

I think he means this

instead of this

Yeah. Basically this. I'm wondering that if it would still be practical to have use things like Nebelwerfers.

[Dizyntk]

Nebelwerfer's are still viable artillery as long as you keep one thing in mind. Unguided rockets are notoriously innaccurate. So as long as you use them en-masse there is no problem. Just don't expect to use them for pinpoint strikes the way modern artillery can be used. They are basically an area effect weapon.

[Premislyd]

Nebelwerfer's are still viable artillery as long as you keep one thing in mind. Unguided rockets are notoriously innaccurate. So as long as you use them en-masse there is no problem. Just don't expect to use them for pinpoint strikes the way modern artillery can be used. They are basically an area effect weapon.

I wasn't talking about Nebelwerfers per say. I was thinking about some sort of Nebelwerfer-esque rocket artillery piece. Something that could fire a variety of rockets that are relatively accurate.

[Germania Alliance]

Then no, not really.

Anything a Nebelwerfer-esque piece of equipment could do, a single infantryman or a vehicle can do now.

There may be something similar out there used today, but I can't think of anything.

[Dizyntk]

Nebelwerfer's are still viable artillery as long as you keep one thing in mind. Unguided rockets are notoriously innaccurate. So as long as you use them en-masse there is no problem. Just don't expect to use them for pinpoint strikes the way modern artillery can be used. They are basically an area effect weapon.

I wasn't talking about Nebelwerfers per say. I was thinking about some sort of Nebelwerfer-esque rocket artillery piece. Something that could fire a variety of rockets that are relatively accurate.

You run into the problem that unless they are guided rockets, like the ones the MLRS uses, then they are inherently not accurate. This is the reason that many nations do not use them. Even the more modern Russian Katyusha rockets are not very accurate and are intended as shock weapons in the opening stages of an attack.

[Premislyd]

Alrighty then. Thanks for the help

[Immoren]

Nebelwerfer's are still viable artillery as long as you keep one thing in mind. Unguided rockets are notoriously innaccurate. So as long as you use them en-masse there is no problem. Just don't expect to use them for pinpoint strikes the way modern artillery can be used. They are basically an area effect weapon.

I wasn't talking about Nebelwerfers per say. I was thinking about some sort of Nebelwerfer-esque rocket artillery piece. Something that could fire a variety of rockets that are relatively accurate.

Rocket launchers are notorious for revealing themselves on moment they open fire, inviting istantly counter-battery reaction from (semi)competent enemy.
Reason why all rocket lauchers were made self-propelled after WWII was to counter this problem.
Although I am not sure how viable would be some mountain unit manhandling towed multiple rocket launcher

[Premislyd]

I wasn't talking about Nebelwerfers per say. I was thinking about some sort of Nebelwerfer-esque rocket artillery piece. Something that could fire a variety of rockets that are relatively accurate.

Rocket launchers are notorious for revealing themselves on moment they open fire, inviting istantly counter-battery reaction from (semi)competent enemy.
Reason why all rocket lauchers were made self-propelled after WWII was to counter this problem.
Although I am not sure how viable would be some mountain unit manhandling towed multiple rocket launcher

Right, right. Whole reason I asked was because many of the people I fight don't really mention any use of their artillery, so I figured may as well take advantage of it

[Immoren]

Rocket launchers are notorious for revealing themselves on moment they open fire, inviting istantly counter-battery reaction from (semi)competent enemy.
Reason why all rocket lauchers were made self-propelled after WWII was to counter this problem.
Although I am not sure how viable would be some mountain unit manhandling towed multiple rocket launcher

Right, right. Whole reason I asked was because many of the people I fight don't really mention any use of their artillery, so I figured may as well take advantage of it

Use much arty and mortars.
Heavy mortar company for infatry battalions
Give your infantry/armoured brigades artillery regiment...

...Excuse me. I got carried away.

[Premislyd]

Right, right. Whole reason I asked was because many of the people I fight don't really mention any use of their artillery, so I figured may as well take advantage of it

Use much arty and mortars.
Heavy mortar company for infatry battalions
Give your infantry/armoured brigades artillery regiment...

...Excuse me. I got carried away.

Yeah I know, I even go as far as having Self-Propelled Mortars attached to my Mechanized Infantry companies.

[Immoren]

Use much arty and mortars.
Heavy mortar company for infatry battalions
Give your infantry/armoured brigades artillery regiment...

...Excuse me. I got carried away.

Yeah I know, I even go as far as having Self-Propelled Mortars attached to my Mechanized Infantry companies.

I have 120mm self-propeled mortar platoon for armoured infatry company, and light and mechanised infantry companies have 81mm mortar platoons

[Dizyntk]

Use much arty and mortars.
Heavy mortar company for infatry battalions
Give your infantry/armoured brigades artillery regiment...

...Excuse me. I got carried away.

Yeah I know, I even go as far as having Self-Propelled Mortars attached to my Mechanized Infantry companies.

I wouldn't say that is unusual. Most mechanized infantry has self-propelled mortars.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Rocket launchers are notorious for revealing themselves on moment they open fire, inviting istantly counter-battery reaction from (semi)competent enemy.
Reason why all rocket lauchers were made self-propelled after WWII was to counter this problem.
Although I am not sure how viable would be some mountain unit manhandling towed multiple rocket launcher

Right, right. Whole reason I asked was because many of the people I fight don't really mention any use of their artillery, so I figured may as well take advantage of it

Well, I haven't required my ponderous artillery units very much, last time they lobbed shells was by fortress artillery regiment „Graf Colloredo-Mels“ Nr. 4 in Serbia. Yes, I'm quite old-fashioned I know. But most of the time Festungsartillerie units are running around with land-based AShM emplacements instead of traditional very heavy artillery, besides, I have to satisfy my ego somehow.
Res Mortars: I go with the Hirtenberger. Always good Austrian stuff.

[Krilo]

As long as your using HK. You could also give the G36C a look. Its my favorite gun for multiple reasons.

It has a 9 inch barrel and fires the 5.56 round.

I love it myself, but you should never issue a carbine as a main military weapon. Even the M4 has a barrel length of about 14 inches. Hittanryan also needs battle rifle cartridges, to deal with armour-using enemies, and at greater ranges.

The basic G36 would be a bit better if the compact-ness G36C is a problem. I have an exact replica of the G36C and I love the size and feel of it. Although I like anything HK so the 417 is good too.

I know for a fact that Patriots (no, not actual "patriots, I'm talking about the guys who operate the American Patriot missile launchers) fire missiles from over forty miles away. These guys (in most cases) never even see combat during their entire careers, other than when they have to fire missiles.

They come back with combat badges and never actually fight. Pfffft.

Do I sense a little "Pog vs. Grunt" hatred. Its the most useless rivalry in the world.

[Premislyd]

Yeah I know, I even go as far as having Self-Propelled Mortars attached to my Mechanized Infantry companies.

I wouldn't say that is unusual. Most mechanized infantry has self-propelled mortars.

I've never seen anybody else utilize self-propelled mortars.

Yeah I know, I even go as far as having Self-Propelled Mortars attached to my Mechanized Infantry companies.

I have 120mm self-propeled mortar platoon for armoured infatry company, and light and mechanised infantry companies have 81mm mortar platoons

I have 120mm self-propelled mortars for mechanized. Normal infantry gets 81mm mortars, but battalions usually have 1-3 heavy mortar platoons. Once I get involved with my armor formations, that's when I use self-propelled artillery/assault guns.

Right, right. Whole reason I asked was because many of the people I fight don't really mention any use of their artillery, so I figured may as well take advantage of it

Yes, I'm quite old-fashioned I know. Most of the time Festungsartillerie units are running around with land-based AShM emplacements instead of traditional very heavy artillery, besides, I have to satisfy my ego somehow.
Res Mortars: I go with the Hirtenberger. Always good Austrian stuff.

That would make the both of us. I usually find myself drifting more and more towards World War II-era tactics and organization

[Samozaryadnyastan]

BTW. What are typical safety distances for arty and mortars in different RL armies? I remember reading somewhere that safety distance for indirect in US Army is 500 meters. Seems awfully long compared to Finnish ones, which are 100m for 81mm mortars and 200m for 120mm mortars and tube artillery, although it might have been refering to only artillery and not mortars.

Hellfire missiles have a Danger Close of more than 200m, and 12-inch Navy guns have a 2km Danger Close. I'd imagine that, since the Hellfire is an extremely accurate, top attack, point weapon system, most artillery had a greater Danger Close range than that.

[Sremski okrug]

Right, right. Whole reason I asked was because many of the people I fight don't really mention any use of their artillery, so I figured may as well take advantage of it

Well, I haven't required my ponderous artillery units very much, last time they lobbed shells was by fortress artillery regiment „Graf Colloredo-Mels“ Nr. 4 in Serbia. Yes, I'm quite old-fashioned I know. But most of the time Festungsartillerie units are running around with land-based AShM emplacements instead of traditional very heavy artillery, besides, I have to satisfy my ego somehow.
Res Mortars: I go with the Hirtenberger. Always good Austrian stuff.

I read that RP you linked and this was my following reaction

*reads someone attacking Yugoslav troops*

"that bastard"

*reads someone referring Marshall Tito "General Tito"*

"that bigger bastard!"

[The Soviet Technocracy]

I know for a fact that Patriots (no, not actual "patriots, I'm talking about the guys who operate the American Patriot missile launchers) fire missiles from over forty miles away. These guys (in most cases) never even see combat during their entire careers, other than when they have to fire missiles.

They come back with combat badges and never actually fight. Pfffft.

Speaking of Patriot:



Trololololol.