is your nation prefer nuclear weapons or none?

[Hodori]

Despite having ICBMs capable of launching them, the Hodori military has no nuclear weaponry. The closest things to WMDs possessed by the Hodori military are napalm or TH-3 thermate incendiary MIRV warheads and MOABs.

[Strykla]

We prefer ultra-high-velocity, Uranium-enriched "Rods from God". Look it up.

Because being able to collapse a single building (and not even the one you were aiming at, unless it's huge and/or you're lucky) is about on par with nuking a city, right?

In case you didn't look it up, the Rods create massive earthquakes. It can reach deeper underground than any nuke, and it doesn't have fallout to infect my nation. Goodbye fallout shelters and underground bases.

Just because EndWar says so doesn't make it not a massive exaggeration.

Actually, it's a real idea. I told you to look it up.

[Santheres]

We prefer ultra-high-velocity, Uranium-enriched "Rods from God". Look it up.

Because being able to collapse a single building (and not even the one you were aiming at, unless it's huge and/or you're lucky) is about on par with nuking a city, right?

In case you didn't look it up, the Rods create massive earthquakes. It can reach deeper underground than any nuke, and it doesn't have fallout to infect my nation. Goodbye fallout shelters and underground bases.

Just because EndWar says so doesn't make it not a massive exaggeration.

Actually, it's a real idea. I told you to look it up.

I'm quite aware it's a real idea. Dozens of nations already on NS have them. They don't work like you (or most of them) seem to think they do, however. That's what I'm saying. You're not unique in any way; I've had this conversation before, and so have many others.

[Strykla]

We prefer ultra-high-velocity, Uranium-enriched "Rods from God". Look it up.

Because being able to collapse a single building (and not even the one you were aiming at, unless it's huge and/or you're lucky) is about on par with nuking a city, right?

In case you didn't look it up, the Rods create massive earthquakes. It can reach deeper underground than any nuke, and it doesn't have fallout to infect my nation. Goodbye fallout shelters and underground bases.

Just because EndWar says so doesn't make it not a massive exaggeration.

Actually, it's a real idea. I told you to look it up.

I'm quite aware it's a real idea. Dozens of nations already on NS have them. They don't work like you (or most of them) seem to think they do, however. That's what I'm saying. You're not unique in any way; I've had this conversation before, and so have many others.

I'm not saying I'm unique, all I'm saying is that RfG didn't originate in Endwar. No hard feelings, but you don't have to yell...

And eventually I'll have an original idea!

[Santheres]

I'm not yelling. Exclamation points and caps would be yelling. I'm merely setting down the simple fact that godrods are not efficient or accurate, and not as powerful as they are portrayed as being.

[Strykla]

Here's a few original ideas: Maybe you could alter the state of the Quantum Sea to crush objects.

Or use rail guns to simply propel GodRods, or anything like it, to bad guy bases. and it would have a much more robust JDAM system.

[Santheres]

Here's a few original ideas: Maybe you could alter the state of the Quantum Sea to crush objects. :shock: :?:

Or use rail guns to simply propel GodRods, or anything like it, to bad guy bases. and it would have a much more robust JDAM system.

Well, at that point, you've departed the MT tech level and had headed into PMT.

[Strykla]

Here's a few original ideas: Maybe you could alter the state of the Quantum Sea to crush objects.

Or use rail guns to simply propel GodRods, or anything like it, to bad guy bases. and it would have a much more robust JDAM system.

Well, at that point, you've departed the MT tech level and had headed into PMT.

Ha!
Funny...

[Senestrum]

Rods from god are a real idea, but it's a real idea that is absolutely impractical, ineffective, and massively expensive for an extremely wide variety of reasons. Anybody who seriously expects them to actually do anything is drinking the kool-aid.

Edit: and for what it's worth, Senestrum absolutely loves nuclear weaponry. If you name it, we have it. We've got ICBMs, we've got rockets, we have recoil-less rifles, artillery in every flavor, we've got tank shells with .2 kiloton yield, we've got cruise missiles, we've got AA missiles, we have AGMs, and we've got battleships firing nuclear broadsides. And it's all stuff that's been done in real life.

[Unidos]

Rods from god are a real idea, but it's a real idea that is absolutely impractical, ineffective, and massively expensive for an extremely wide variety of reasons. Anybody who seriously expects them to actually do anything is drinking the kool-aid..

Which raises the question of what MT you believe
-would- work as an alternative to nuclear weapons?

Unidos has no nuclear arsenal. Strongly encourages non proliferation and actively promotes 'no first' use policies.

The Commonwealth does have the knowledge and means to construct nuclear devices but does not do so by choice. We do use nuclear propulsion in some naval vessels and nuclear energy as a source electrical power.

OOCly,
the Heartland region is where Unidos is mostly active. Attacks on any nation within the Heartland is considered an attack upon all. Since there are a number of nations with strong conventinal and nuclear capacity as well as ABM systems there is pretty strong deterence against extra regional attack.

Within the Heartland there have been wars and brinkmanship but no use of nuclear weapons because of the long term after efects that would have to be taken into account in even semi realistic RP
Unidos takes measures to disperse,harden and otherwise defend it's political and military leadership and military assets agaisnt a first or decapitation strike.
.

[Antelas]

Antelas does have a small nuclear arsenal, however they consist entirey of pure fusion bombs with no fission tamper so as to reduce fallout and radioactive output. The military does not maintain an active ABM system so as not to subvert MAD and raise tension with other nuclear states.

[The Halseyist Faction]

The Halseyist Faction, located in Low Earth Orbit, maintains a full range of ICBM Warheads of various Nuclear yields, armed and waiting in their satalite launch pads to target a varity of earthside destinations.

Since when you live on a fragile spacestation, a cruise missile is a death sentence as much as a nuke (aside from the EMP, I suppose) it's not like we need be afraid of escelecation, and we know we won't be hurt by our own weapons! (Although our allies might.)

We used to have Biological weapons, but we sold them on the free market (to a poster earlier in this thread) when the GA made us ban them.

We also sell Nuclear missiles, and will even launch them for you. Option avilable to individuals, corporations, and nations. Prices may vary.

[Santheres]

Rods from god are a real idea, but it's a real idea that is absolutely impractical, ineffective, and massively expensive for an extremely wide variety of reasons. Anybody who seriously expects them to actually do anything is drinking the kool-aid..

Which raises the question of what MT you believe
-would- work as an alternative to nuclear weapons?

Having allies with nuclear weapons.

Works for me.

[Senestrum]

Rods from god are a real idea, but it's a real idea that is absolutely impractical, ineffective, and massively expensive for an extremely wide variety of reasons. Anybody who seriously expects them to actually do anything is drinking the kool-aid..

Which raises the question of what MT you believe
-would- work as an alternative to nuclear weapons?

There really isn't one; their horrifying efficiency and extreme cost-effectiveness is simply unmatchable with any type of conventional munition available in the foreseeable future.

[South Lorenya]

Which raises the question of what MT you believe
-would- work as an alternative to nuclear weapons?
.

Magic, of course. If a nation knows that their opponent can open a one-way portal redirecting a nuke towards their largest city, it'll be clear that using conventional weaponry is a much smarter idea.

[Senestrum]

Magic is not MT, it is in fact ST*.

*stands for "stupid tech"

[Changchu]

Changchu has a large number of transuranic-element-based nuclear weapons, which it uses regularly for various purposes due to their short shelf life. Such uses include contaminating farmland in far-away places forr economic reasons, and wiping out raiders in The Eastern Wastes.

[South Lorenya]

Magic is not MT, it is in fact ST*.

*stands for "stupid tech"

If you don't like it, then don't join any RPs involving South Lorenya (which should be fairly easy considering that I don't see my nations joining any RPs...).

[Unidos]

Which raises the question of what MT you believe
-would- work as an alternative to nuclear weapons?
.

Magic, of course. If a nation knows that their opponent can open a one-way portal redirecting a nuke towards their largest city, it'll be clear that using conventional weaponry is a much smarter idea.

Magic doesn't really play a significant role within the Heartland and certainly not Unidos. Trying to do something like that might be seen as god modding.

since nearly all HL nations are MT , FT style weapons might be regarded as wanking

There was at least one instnace where a bit of 'borrowing' from Science Fiction got around a problem. -+
one instance a nation had a rebel faction blow up the capital with what was originally described as a nuclear device. A quick calculation on the fallout plume would render large areas of neighboring nations uninhabitable for a very long time
The nation then decided to disclose that the explosion was caused by naquadah or naquadria. (material from Stargate, can be used to generate power, but highly unstable, if there was a chain reaction the naqada upon explosion the byproducts and isotopes would be even more unstable, decaying quickly and having much shorter half life.

[New Hayesalia]

Theurgia has no nuclear weapons.

Theurgia's leaders and diplomats encourage all governments to immediately dismantle all nuclear technologies.

A deep concern for the continued health of our planet -- the same planet which sustains us all -- is Theurgia's motivation behind anti-proliferation talks.

As a PMT nation, Theurgia is well prepared in defense measures should a hostile nation launch any type of attack, nuclear or otherwise.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! KYAHHAHAHAHAHA! Whoo..
Oh... you're serious...

We use lasers... satellites orbiting send down a charge of chemical ion laser fire, which can be the size or a car bomb, to enough to annihilate London. We never have used them though, and hope we won't have to... although East New Hayesalia has become a little more rowdy.

[Mutual Self Interest]

At Mutual Self Interest we do not perfer nuclear weapons or anyother form of WMD that is why we have band governement intervention in all internal matters. They just destroy everything...

[Unidos]

Which raises the question of what MT you believe
-would- work as an alternative to nuclear weapons?

There really isn't one; their horrifying efficiency and extreme cost-effectiveness is simply unmatchable with any type of conventional munition available in the foreseeable future.

The problem with nuclea weaosn is the long term issues from fallout . Heck if the weather and geography are right you could have lethal levels of redioactive fallout from your own device poisoning large areas of your -own- territory for years to come.

Which suggests that a non nuclear option might be in order

[Antelas]

The problem with nuclea weaosn is the long term issues from fallout . Heck if the weather and geography are right you could have lethal levels of redioactive fallout from your own device poisoning large areas of your -own- territory for years to come.

Which suggests that a non nuclear option might be in order

Pure fusion bombs - i.e. implosion type hydrogen bombs and such, do not emit significant amounts of fallout (there is some initial radiation though). The only bombs which are worrisome in that regard are bombs which employ fission such as gun type weapons and Teller-Ulam hybrid types which have a fission tamper.

That's why Antelas only uses pure fusion bombs Less destructive power, but the long term impacts are somewhat mitigated.

[Unidos]

Rods from god are a real idea, but it's a real idea that is absolutely impractical, ineffective, and massively expensive for an extremely wide variety of reasons. Anybody who seriously expects them to actually do anything is drinking the kool-aid..

Which raises the question of what MT you believe
-would- work as an alternative to nuclear weapons?

Having allies with nuclear weapons.

Works for me.

Yes and to a certain extent that is what Unidos does

[Albrante]

Here in Albrante we have two Ares class submarine that each have 2 medium yield and 8 low yield nuclear and 6 MOAB ICBMs that rotate shifts sailing around our territorial and international waters. They are an effective form of deterrent.