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Senestrum
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Postby Senestrum » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:28 am

Unidos wrote:
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Unidos wrote:Which raises the question of what MT you believe
-would- work as an alternative to nuclear weapons?

There really isn't one; their horrifying efficiency and extreme cost-effectiveness is simply unmatchable with any type of conventional munition available in the foreseeable future.

The problem with nuclear weapons is the long term issues from fallout . Heck if the weather and geography are right you could have lethal levels of radioactive fallout from your own device poisoning large areas of your -own- territory for years to come.

For what it's worth, modern US nuclear weapon designs are actually really clean compared to a lot of the older munitions. Older munitions were nowhere near as sophisticated, but even then fallout was not as large a problem as it is often portrayed; the most dangerous radioisotopes are by their very nature the shortest lived. Give it ten years, and the radioactivity in the crater will easily be down to safe levels. In the long term, the effects from fallout really aren't significant; Hiroshima and Nagasaki are both thriving cities today. You can further decrease fallout by exclusively using airbursts.

Of course, that's not to say that fallout should be disregarded. Anybody unlucky enough to be near ground zero within a few years will have health problems, but that varies from full on radiation sickness to dying of cancer a few decades down the line. Of course, it's actually possible to utilize nuclear weaponry in such a way as to maximize fallout. One way is using groundbursts. You can also use enhanced radiation nukes (often refered to as "salted" nukes) to deny the target the use of any land within the blast area, since they generally have jackets of high-radiation, long half-life materials. This type of nuke will generally have a lower explosive yield due to specific trade-offs in the design. And of course, targeting plays an important part. For example, the US could kill off hundreds of millions of Chinese with a handful of nuclear weapons by simply groundbursting salted nukes in the headwaters of China's largest rivers, thus seriously contaminating the water supply of the entire country.

In summary, fallout is really only a serious long term problem for you if someone is trying to make it a long term problem.

Unidos wrote:Which suggests that a non nuclear option might be in order

As much as I would love to agree with you, I really can't. Pandora's box is already open, and refusing to use them is a very dangerous choice to make, in both the real world and NationStates. There's only going to be more nations gaining nuclear technology, and the military disparity they make is so huge that a purely conventional military will never be at the same level as even a weak nuclear power. Even if you never use it, nuclear weaponry will have served its purpose as a deterrent, and that is enough to justify the possession of said weaponry.
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Aquairia
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Postby Aquairia » Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:42 am

Aquairia has no nuclear weapons, It has moved on to better alternatives that provide the same devastation, with out some of the negative side affects such as radioactive fallout.
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Postby Joyous Zeltros » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:20 am

We don't like the idea of nuclear weapons.

But then, we don't really like killing people, either. So if we must, we try to limit the casualties as far as possible.

With their civilian deaths and vast environmental damage, nuclear weapons are not acceptable to our mindset.
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Postby Martilia » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:44 am

The United Socialist States of Martilia employs a Macro-Nuclear and Micro-Nuclear weapons. Macro-Nuclear weapons are the ones fit into ICBM and be able to destroy an entire city or small nation, while Micro-Nuclear weapons are weapons that has low effect on explosions but the chemicals it spews is very concentrated and deadly and can kill an entire city population.
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Postby Martilia » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:53 am

The United Socialist States of Martilia employs a Macro-Nuclear and Micro-Nuclear weapons. Macro-Nuclear weapons are the ones fit into ICBM and be able to destroy an entire city or small nation, while Micro-Nuclear weapons are weapons that has low effect on explosions but the chemicals it spews is very concentrated and deadly and can kill an entire city population.
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Postby Eradium » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:09 am

Yes, although they tend to be tactical (the resources to make strategic nukes are too great) or nuclear artillery. They used to be used as fast as they are made, hence only a small stockpile at anyone time. Stockpiles are fired off at the start of an offensive by both sides, usually obliterating the first strike troops that are in that area of the free fire-zone. Missile defence prevents penetration of more than a few hundred miles past official lines. After that the warfare is conventional until the surge is stopped. Although these exchanges occur regularly between Samnatianion and the Ka'Bovshy, the hostilities between the Ka'Bovshy and Eradium have wound down over the past 30 years to mainly conventional warfare, with the bulk of Eradium's nuclear material being supplied to the artillery divisions in support of Samnatianion troops in the rare joint-ops. Samnatianion pose a greater threat to Eradium than the Ka'Bovshy in many ways, hence a balancing act to keep the war going without weakening and letting the Ka'Bovshy start winning.

Quick summary of political situation.

Samnatianion vs. Eradium; technically at war (which lasted about 1500 years before hand, it brought the slow death of the old Eradian empire), have had an alliance/ceasefire for the past 100 years.
Eradium vs. Ka'Bovshy; for 400 years (since the schism where the Ka'Bovshy split from the old Eradian empire and it's corrupt government).
Samnatianion vs. Ka'Bovshy; Samnatianion regarded the Ka'Bovshy as just another faction of the Eradian nation for a long time after the schism. Has fought them since the conception of the Ka'Bovshy nation.

A proper Nuclear strike, with the aim to hit the central population centres and devastate the countries, is currently impossible. This is due to the missile defence systems in-land, to build enough strategic nukes to overwhelm defence systems would require taking the pressure off the front, which could dangerously destabilise a war that has carried on for the best part of 400 years.
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Postby Seculartopia » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:48 am

Seculartopia considers itself a peaceful country, and has never sponsored a nuclear test program, though the supplies are there, provided by Montana Defenses.

We most likely would preform scientific tests on nuclear things rather than use them as instruments of mass-death.
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The Georgian Emirates
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Postby The Georgian Emirates » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:15 am

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Postby Strykla » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:36 pm

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