How powerful do you think your nation is?

[Layarteb]

To ignore that means, in essense, you ignore my own nations history. If you do that, you may as well ignore my nation.

Done. There are more than 50,000 nations on NS and I ignore more than 49,000 of them.

If you choose to exert your power on BEJESUS or god-knows-where, why would you think it should have any relevance here?

Unfortunately the quantity of n00bs outnumbers the quantity of quality players and newbies.

[Bryn Shander]

To ignore that means, in essense, you ignore my own nations history. If you do that, you may as well ignore my nation.

Done. There are more than 50,000 nations on NS and I ignore more than 49,000 of them.

If you choose to exert your power on BEJESUS or god-knows-where, why would you think it should have any relevance here?

Unfortunately the quantity of n00bs outnumbers the quantity of quality players and newbies.

Those noobs won't get better if the self proclaimed quality players lock themselves in an ivory tower and jerk each other off.

[Fatatatutti]

Unfortunately the quantity of n00bs outnumbers the quantity of quality players and newbies.

Any game, say chess, requires consistent participation - a certain quantity of moves in a certain time period, not just a handful of really, really, really high-quality moves. You don't earn a rating in chess or in NS from the one time you beat Bobby Fischer.

[Romandeos]

Unfortunately the quantity of n00bs outnumbers the quantity of quality players and newbies.

Any game, say chess, requires consistent participation - a certain quantity of moves in a certain time period, not just a handful of really, really, really high-quality moves. You don't earn a rating in chess or in NS from the one time you beat Bobby Fischer.

I've always believed one should attempt to mix quality and quantity. Neither's going to win you great renown by itself, because nobody likes a cloud of lousy posts, but then nobody will know who you are if you make only a few posts each year, even if they are all just plain awesome.

Mixing them, making a fairly large, consistent amount of decent posts, is the best route in my opinion.

[Layarteb]

Those noobs won't get better if the self proclaimed quality players lock themselves in an ivory tower and jerk each other off.

Every veteran I've seen is more than willing to help out any newbie and n00b if they want help but when they don't want that they're basically just going to stay as n00bs. We do differentiate between n00b and newbie. Newbies want help and they just need a little help. N00bs on the other hand have no desire to improve and just go on being terrible players.

[Bryn Shander]

Those noobs won't get better if the self proclaimed quality players lock themselves in an ivory tower and jerk each other off.

Every veteran I've seen is more than willing to help out any newbie and n00b if they want help but when they don't want that they're basically just going to stay as n00bs. We do differentiate between n00b and newbie. Newbies want help and they just need a little help. N00bs on the other hand have no desire to improve and just go on being terrible players.

Really? Because we've just had veterans go on about how they got sick of newbies and locked themselves away on their offsite forum just a few posts ago.

[Nachmere]

lol if only i could get my navy not to loose a fight for once...

[Layarteb]

Really? Because we've just had veterans go on about how they got sick of newbies and locked themselves away on their offsite forum just a few posts ago.

There are those who can't stand the "n00bs" not the newbies but overall things like NST have set out to help newbies who actually want to improve. We and anyone else could care less about n00bs. Differentiating is crucial.

[Layarteb]

lol if only i could get my navy not to loose a fight for once...

Tactics perhaps need a change?

[Sskiss]

If you don't want your nation's history ignored you shouldn't have posted it on a private forum. If you want power on these forums, you need to earn it. To most players on these forums, ESUS doesn't mean anything.

Fair enough, my view of power as I say is rather different than your own, perhaps this whole sordid affair would have been solved if I had just chosen the "not to be messed with option". But alas, I misunderstood what was truely meant by the options. No matter.

The Shivan War was a long time ago and the GFFA War was a farce. Shit that happened years ago has little bearing on here and now, especially since most players weren't around back then. If you want to be respected, I suggest you stop falling back on the good old days and offsite shenanigans and start earning it.

"offsite shenanigans" as you put it does sound rather harsh. They were quality RP's whather you admit it or not. Also as Arizona Nova (whom I'm assuming your are ignoring) pointed out, back then, it was a time of rampart Noobism and general chaos in the extreme within the FT community as a whole. I certainly was not happy or impressed at what I saw and read. A lot of it was truley "cringworthy". As a result, many of us simply felt it more prudent to retreat to our own forums. A decision, I personally do not regret. Many fine RP's were had and I for one enjoyed myself and built up my skills over time. I have the ESUS and its membership base to thank for that.

Furthermore, all because something occured 'a long time ago' that does not mean it doesn't have any bearing at the present. I mean that would like saying that my childhood or teenhood has no bearing regarding my own life. The past, such that it is, often has a huge influance on the present.

You have far more bad apples than just Rob, by the way. ESUS has some of the worst roleplayers to have ever graced NS within its ranks.

Such as?... name names. I've come to the conclusion that you base your opinions, such as they are, on your general distaste for the ESUS as a whole and thus catagorize their members accordingly. Let me tell you from a more unbiased opinion that I've counted many as some of the best RP'ers I've had the good fortune to meet. There are others outside the ESUS that are also great RP'ers, even some I do not particularly like - yes, I give credit were credit is due! Some of the members of ESUS have become friends of sorts. I am sorry that you did not in the past have any good experiences with ESUS as a whole or any number of their members, but I can't be held accountable for that. If you truley think I am a Noob or otherwise a poor RP'er then just say so, and be done with it. Nobody in the history of my nation ever claimed I was a noob, techwanker, numberwanker, metagamer etc..., I've even had a couple of recent personal messages which basically congradulated me on my recent RP's. But I digress.

[Bryn Shander]

Really? Because we've just had veterans go on about how they got sick of newbies and locked themselves away on their offsite forum just a few posts ago.

There are those who can't stand the "n00bs" not the newbies but overall things like NST have set out to help newbies who actually want to improve. We and anyone else could care less about n00bs. Differentiating is crucial.

It doesn't matter. They still locked themselves and their roleplaying away on a private forum and now expect everyone to bow down in respect for their awesomeness that nobody but them was able to read or take part in as though it actually means something. Respect and power on these forums are earned by posting and roleplaying on these forums. A bunch of "allies" stroking each others' egos in private does not cut it.

[Solarus 5]

just came back, my nation ballooned in my absence, I have had to bring my country back under control (dealing with issues) but I'm a middleweight power now.
Military: medium
Economy: Medium-powerful
yay I'm a 1st world power, but not a superpower.
not to mention the government system supporting the nation is a competent and well liked one, something like that can turn the tide of a war.
Corrupt Dictatorship VS Centrist Democracy with a powerful economy = I don't have to fight you, I can buy your armies and bribe your generals.

[Arizona Nova]

Really? Because we've just had veterans go on about how they got sick of newbies and locked themselves away on their offsite forum just a few posts ago.

There are those who can't stand the "n00bs" not the newbies but overall things like NST have set out to help newbies who actually want to improve. We and anyone else could care less about n00bs. Differentiating is crucial.

It doesn't matter. They still locked themselves and their roleplaying away on a private forum and now expect everyone to bow down in respect for their awesomeness that nobody but them was able to read or take part in as though it actually means something. Respect and power on these forums are earned by posting and roleplaying on these forums. A bunch of "allies" stroking each others' egos in private does not cut it.

If everyone's power is solely determined by what they've posted on these boards, throw away everything on Jolt, and anything still extant from the old NS boards as well.

ESUS was still playing this game, merely in a different place. Try addressing the points that Sskiss and I have raised, rather than going on about our "ivory tower" (which is hardly an insult).

As is, I don't expect anyone to bow down to my awesomeness: I am, on a personal basis as it were, rebuilding myself from the ground up, while still drawing on my nation's extensive history, on as well as off these boards. I do expect the name of ESUS to carry some gravity with it, however, because it is an IC alliance that has existed for well over a millenium in game-time; one that may have had a marked decline prior to recent times, but is steadily attempting to re-emerge as a force in the galaxy. This doesn't translate to instant victory in RPs; it merely means that our name cannot be one that is simply discounted out of hand. It is a matter of respect, Bryn Shander, something you obviously lack, along with any sense of consistency and lack of hypocrisy.

EDIT: Seems post counts here have been reset. What delicious irony.

[Bryn Shander]

If you don't want your nation's history ignored you shouldn't have posted it on a private forum. If you want power on these forums, you need to earn it. To most players on these forums, ESUS doesn't mean anything.

Fair enough, my view of power as I say is rather different than your own, perhaps this whole sordid affair would have been solved if I had just chosen the "not to be messed with option". But alas, I misunderstood what was truely meant by the options. No matter.

Fair enough.

The Shivan War was a long time ago and the GFFA War was a farce. Shit that happened years ago has little bearing on here and now, especially since most players weren't around back then. If you want to be respected, I suggest you stop falling back on the good old days and offsite shenanigans and start earning it.

"offsite shenanigans" as you put it does sound rather harsh. They were quality RP's whather you admit it or not. Also as Arizona Nova (whom I'm assuming your are ignoring) pointed out, back then, it was a time of rampart Noobism and general chaos in the extreme within the FT community as a whole. I certainly was not happy or impressed at what I saw and read. A lot of it was truley "cringworthy". As a result, many of us simply felt it more prudent to retreat to our own forums. A decision, I personally do not regret. Many fine RP's were had and I for one enjoyed myself and built up my skills over time. I have the ESUS and its membership base to thank for that.

Furthermore, all because something occured 'a long time ago' that does not mean it doesn't have any bearing at the present. I mean that would like saying that my childhood or teenhood has no bearing regarding my own life. The past, such that it is, often has a huge influance on the present.

Unfortunately, offsite shenanigans are all that they are. I'm sure that they were fine RPs, but in the context of this forum they're meaningless. Mars may have been offsite as well and was pretty discriminatory and elitist in its own right, but there was still a more or less open door policy on playing there. Though my own involvement with Mars has long since been retconned by a complete reboot of my nation, the stuff that my allies and I did there still count for far more than everything done on the ESUS forums because the Mars boards were open to anyone and actually had an effect on Solar and galactic politics as a whole back in the day. Mars may be more or less dead and gone now, but back then it at least had some influence on FT outside of the forums. On the other hand, the ESUS forums only affect ESUS members, and only count for ESUS members. To your average Joe Sorgan or Jane Bavin, the thousands of posts on the ESUS forums don't count for anything. For all intents and purposes, they never even happened as far as the galaxy as a whole is concerned.

You have far more bad apples than just Rob, by the way. ESUS has some of the worst roleplayers to have ever graced NS within its ranks.

Such as?... name names. I've come to the conclusion that you base your opinions, such as they are, on your general distaste for the ESUS as a whole and thus catagorize their members accordingly. Let me tell you from a more unbiased opinion that I've counted many as some of the best RP'ers I've had the good fortune to meet. There are others outside the ESUS that are also great RP'ers, even some I do not particularly like - yes, I give credit were credit is due! Some of the members of ESUS have become friends of sorts. I am sorry that you did not in the past have any good experiences with ESUS as a whole or any number of their members, but I can't be held accountable for that. If you truley think I am a Noob or otherwise a poor RP'er then just say so, and be done with it. Nobody in the history of my nation ever claimed this, I've even had a couple of recent personal messages which basically congradulated me on my recent RP's. but I digress.

TFU, Allanea, and Naggeroth are terrible roleplayers and terrible players in general. I'm not saying that some of them can't write, but as players they're absolutely terrible. Of course, ESUS does have good players and roleplayers too. Most of the people involved with IRON are doing a pretty good job. Derscon can be a pain in the ass sometimes, but for the most part is a pretty good player. Mekanta is a pretty cool guy. eh grazes danmaku and doesn't afraid of anything.

Even so, my biggest problem with ESUS is that it isn't an in character alliance. There is no common bond between nations. No common purpose. The entire entry process is OOC. Almost all activity is offsite. Most of the nations don't even like each other and would be at war if not for the ESUS tag in their signatures. I mean hell, if that's what qualifies as an alliance these days we may as well list the NS Draftroom as an alliance too. All I see the alliance aspect of ESUS doing these days is fucking up potentially awesome roleplays with OOC bullshit like "oh, I can't help in the war against $nation, $nation, and $nation because we're both in ESUS."

[Arizona Nova]

Unfortunately, offsite shenanigans are all that they are. I'm sure that they were fine RPs, but in the context of this forum they're meaningless. Mars may have been offsite as well and was pretty discriminatory and elitist in its own right, but there was still a more or less open door policy on playing there. Though my own involvement with Mars has long since been retconned by a complete reboot of my nation, the stuff that my allies and I did there still count for far more than everything done on the ESUS forums because the Mars boards were open to anyone and actually had an effect on Solar and galactic politics as a whole back in the day. Mars may be more or less dead and gone now, but back then it at least had some influence on FT outside of the forums. On the other hand, the ESUS forums only affect ESUS members, and only count for ESUS members. To your average Joe Sorgan or Jane Bavin, the thousands of posts on the ESUS forums don't count for anything. For all intents and purposes, they never even happened as far as the galaxy as a whole is concerned.

Ah, wonderful; special pleading. I guess I shouldn't have expected better from Bryn Shander. Did you try to apply to ESUS with a puppet and have your test rejected? I can see no other reason for your deep-seated antipathy toward the test; a test which is in essence three IC but non-canon roleplays.

TFU, Allanea, and Naggeroth are terrible roleplayers and terrible players in general. I'm not saying that some of them can't write, but as players they're absolutely terrible. Of course, ESUS does have good players and roleplayers too. Most of the people involved with IRON are doing a pretty good job. Derscon can be a pain in the ass sometimes, but for the most part is a pretty good player. Mekanta is a pretty cool guy. eh grazes danmaku and doesn't afraid of anything.

So thats, what, three out of thirty? If only 10% of the players on NS were bad players it'd be a golden utopia of roleplaying and civil discourse. And your entire point is "well maybe they can write, but I still don't like them OOCly, so ignored!" which is not what the IGNORE cannon was made for.

Also, IRON was founded by an ESUS member.

Even so, my biggest problem with ESUS is that it isn't an in character alliance. There is no common bond between nations. No common purpose. The entire entry process is OOC. Almost all activity is offsite. Most of the nations don't even like each other and would be at war if not for the ESUS tag in their signatures. I mean hell, if that's what qualifies as an alliance these days we may as well list the NS Draftroom as an alliance too. All I see the alliance aspect of ESUS doing these days is fucking up potentially awesome roleplays with OOC bullshit like "oh, I can't help in the war against $nation, $nation, and $nation because we're both in ESUS."

Yes there is, we have a charter. We're also just hyperlibertarian and refuse to take action in the name of the alliance, preferring to summon up support from within the alliance. It's like the UN in space, in that sense, except generally reviled or feared, with less weeping over medical supplies and many degrees magnitude greater numbers of guns and ammunition.

[Nachmere]

Nachmere wrote:
lol if only i could get my navy not to loose a fight for once...

Tactics perhaps need a change?

No, I need to stop jumping into fights I cant win...But what would be the fun in that:)

Nachmerian Navy- Come Sink Around The Globe.

On the other hand invade my country and it will be a very bad experience for you:)

[Bryn Shander]

On the other hand invade my country and it will be a very bad experience for you:)

What? Is the bar out of ice?

[Layarteb]

It doesn't matter. They still locked themselves and their roleplaying away on a private forum and now expect everyone to bow down in respect for their awesomeness that nobody but them was able to read or take part in as though it actually means something. Respect and power on these forums are earned by posting and roleplaying on these forums. A bunch of "allies" stroking each others' egos in private does not cut it.

They did? This is news to me.

[Neo-Mekanta]

I put down "plankton" for shits and giggles. I'd say it was to offset the 09 nations that claimed to be superpowers, but I'm too honest. And easily amused.

While I'm working on the start of an RP line that'll drop me down to actually BEING that level for a bit, I'd say I'm currently at LEAST a "don't screw with me, bro, I'll cut you with my stabbing knife and stab you with my cutting knife, 'cause I'm crazy like that, bro" or whatever inferior equivalent is on that feeble and inelegant list.

Mainly because of IC and OOC inactivity, plus I have a nasty habit of, for various technical reasons or otherwise, I tend to leave a lot of things unfini-


... Bad Joke Count ++

[New Hayesalia]

In the military sense, New Hayesalian Defence Forces never leave our Island Nation, about the size of Madagascar. Therefore, our weapons are extremely advanced, because we don't bother transporting troops and cargo, so we can divert those funds. Hey, we've got a navy of about 40,000, air force of 32,000 and army of 43,000. So internationally, plankton. On defence, a superpower.

[Bryn Shander]

I wish that the mods would come in here and ban all the people that aren't 04 or older that picked Superpower...

[New Cabickstan]

OOC:

Can somebody read my national economy on NS Econoym and rate my nations power???

[Allied Governments]

In the military sense, New Hayesalian Defence Forces never leave our Island Nation, about the size of Madagascar. Therefore, our weapons are extremely advanced, because we don't bother transporting troops and cargo, so we can divert those funds. Hey, we've got a navy of about 40,000, air force of 32,000 and army of 43,000. So internationally, plankton. On defence, a superpower.

40,000 Seamen? Or 40,000 ships (extremely unlikely.)

[Stoklomolvi]

OOC:

Can somebody read my national economy on NS Econoym and rate my nations power???

Plankton.

AG, I have 40,000 ships. Just because there are 35,000 rowboats does not mean it's implausible.

[New Cabickstan]

Not even minnow? Dear god I have some of the most elite soldiers in the world