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10 (direct democracy)
5
5%
9
9
8%
8
21
19%
7
16
14%
6
7
6%
5
6
5%
4
7
6%
3
13
12%
2
6
5%
1 (totalitarian)
21
19%
 
Total votes : 111

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Jinwoy
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Founded: May 30, 2011
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Jinwoy » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:09 am

The country's ever increasing democratic system is VERY complicated...

There a multiple representitives, called "Youkina's", for about every 50 people. Youkina's are responsible for holding DNA, City Passes, Bank account details, Birth Certificates, Passports, Medical Records, Police Records and etc. They have very limited rights, but they do have enough permissions to make a citizen's arest when needed.
Above Youkino's are JNPCS (Jinwoy National Population Control Squad) Who have the resposibility of handling fugitives, stopping illegal immigrats and, of course, dealing with riots and mass breakouts of violence. Lately, they have been assinged the roles of Anti Terroism and Vote Control, vote control being they make sure that votes run smoothly and no cheating will take place during votes, major or minor. Next up the chain are Konimiko's, but are nicknamed 'handlers', they make sure that a specific department does there jobs correctly, and will usually accept bribes from Youkina's, so as a combat against this, the JNPCS has pentioned that the department of Konimiko's been either examined or disbanded.

Further on the goverment chain, you have a individual chain of small scale justice systems which work throughout the country.
The Justice Systems handle everything below them, the Police, JNPCS, Youkina's and Konimiko's. Aswell as small family dispute casses.
Then the Mj. Justice System which controls the Justice Systems, Mj. also handles the bigger court casses, things like Murder, Manslaughter and (As of several days ago) animal creulty.
Then there is ul. Justice Systems, which only serves one purpose: To observe goverment officials of corruption. They handle extreme court casses like political Fraud, Assassination, Failed Foriegn Espionage Conduction, and war crimes. They also decide on issues in Jinwoy, and are politically influenced to be Liberal Socialist Democratics.

Of course, then there is a Minor Council, a group of 3 people who influence and advise the lord mayor. There are about 15 minor councils throughout the islands of Jinwoy, and each of these are democratically elected during the Lord Mayor Elections.

Then there is a lord mayor, the ruler of a region or island. They are ALWAYS democratically elected, and may choose their Minor Councilers at the approval of the goverment.

Then, of course, we have Major Council. There is only 1, it consists of 15 people, all of which rule over a individual department, and often spend their time debating over who's department should recieve the most goverment funding. They also have a heavy influence over the media. While the JNPCS tries to stop propaganda from leaving the Councils building, they are sometimes unsuccesful, and sometimes propaganda over a certain department (Defence, Economy etc) will be shown over the tv and radio waves of Jinwoy, in a attempt to make that certain departments are popular in Jinwoy, and have a higher chance of being funded.

Then you have the presidents office, which is run by the President, of course, followed by the Vice President. Then there are military leaders, Navy Head General, Airforce Head General and Armed Forces Head General and then a Military Head General, which rules over the lower generals. Then you have the science and technology personal, the Head Scientist, the Head Scientist's Assisstant, then you have a Head Devoloper and a Devolopers Assistant.
And that, is only part of the complex democratic control systems inplace at Jinwoy at this moment. :P
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Dagnia
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Founded: Jul 27, 2004
Ex-Nation

Postby Dagnia » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:23 am

7 or 8. On the national and prefecture level, we have a democratic republic, which is severely restricted in its powers by constitution, so it is hardly democratic in the sense of a direct democracy. Many cities and counties however are direct democracies. Referenda are common on all levels.
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Star Trek America
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Posts: 1204
Founded: Oct 31, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Star Trek America » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:51 am

The Federation's representative democracy is around the same level as the real-life United Kingdom of Great Britain's. There's a lack of political machines however; and people are voted for, not parties.

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Arumdaum
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Founded: Oct 21, 2009
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arumdaum » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:55 am

Flaming Soul Forces wrote:I would say 10.
The executive is directly elected, the judges are also directly elected while the juries come from the people.
The upper house of the legislature is occupied by ordinary citizens while the lower house is directly elected.
NO law becomes valid until the citizens approve it in a referendum.
The country is a federal decentralised state that promotes direct democracy at all levels. :p

OOC: Actually, in the poll, it says that direct democracy is 10. Judges, houses, and those are representative, which are less democratic. Direct democracy is where everyone would just vote on what to do, not electing leaders to do stuff for them, with all of them having equal say. This was actually why I didn't pick 10 either. If you want to debate this though we can always TG or make a thread in general.

Once again, Arumdaum would be a nine, although we're hoping to become a communist direct democracy one day.
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-West
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Founded: Jun 23, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby -West » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:57 am

8

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Siorafrica
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Founded: Jun 22, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Siorafrica » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:00 am

4. Although the Ruler has absolute power any citizen has the opportunity to take over once a year.
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Quootar
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Founded: Jul 23, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Quootar » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:02 am

political rights are superb and civil rights are average however there are many protests because of the failing economy we have addressed the issue but the stabilizing of our economy may take some time

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Imeriata
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Posts: 11330
Founded: Oct 02, 2009
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Imeriata » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:18 am

Vorond wrote:Alright. By habit I fell for accepting the view that a society is to be measured by the status of their lowest class, but you may actually have a point.

How narrow minded, you are supposed to look at how much power the government has
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The Catepanate
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Founded: Dec 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby The Catepanate » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:22 am

Not democtatic.At all.
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Hensiferia
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Jul 04, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Hensiferia » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:55 am

3 / 10

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Hippostania
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Founded: Nov 23, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Hippostania » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:13 am

Hippostania would be 7 and 8. There is a directly elected head of state (high chancellor) that is elected every 10 years. There is also a democratically elected parliament that has 200 seats (one seat for 10 million people) that is elected evert 5 years.
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The Genetics
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Posts: 1
Founded: Jul 25, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby The Genetics » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:25 am

In a way, the Free Land of the Genetics is very democratic, almost forcibly so - deciding the leader of each tribe is something that every member of the tribe participates in as early as ten years of age, methodology decided by the tribe itself; then those leaders meet in a single grand council.

However, there are some factors that make it less than diplomatic - more fierce tribes choose their leaders through combat rather than any sense of vote or election, for instance; one even selects via a game of chance every few months. Also, unlike the nation's usual warmness towards outsiders, the tribes do not allow foreigners to participate in their selection processes. Finally, the selection of a head of their unified council is not based on experience or popular opinion, but a simple matter of being the youngest council member when the current leader passes on; for the Genetics, who possess short life spans, this seems to be the only way they can be guaranteed a long and stable leadership, and accepting this simple rule has been surprisingly effective at preventing infighting.

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Maraque
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Posts: 10604
Founded: Nov 22, 2004
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Maraque » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:56 am

Tsvarchi has a directly elected head of state who serves until death, abdication, or recall via a citizen's initiative or failure to pass a vote of confidence in the National Assembly. The National Assembly is a unicameral body of 1,000 directly elected representatives that serve unlimited six year terms, unless recalled or a failure to win a new term at the end of the current six year session.

The people have the power of petition and citizen's initiative; the people can vote to make the government take up an issue the people think should be applied, while a citizen's initiative is used to actually enact policy that they have already drafted, debated, and passed via town hall style direct democracy. Citizen's initiative can also be used to change the wording of laws already on the books, to remove an elected or appointed official from office, and to make changes in the form of government like the current citizen's initiative which reshuffled the National Assembly into a single chamber of 1,000 representatives.

The head of state's advisory council is directly elected by the people for an unlimited six year terms. The head of state doesn't have the ability to remove any member of the advisory council, but if there is conflict he may suggest their removal to the National Assembly at which point it is up to them. If the people don't like the job one of the members is doing they can as mentioned before remove said person via citizen's initiative. The member in question can also decide to step down if they believe there is no working around the differences between themselves and the head of state. Mind you, the head of state's 'second hand' is also elected separately, not on the same ticket.

The people also directly elect judges, although these are subject to 12 year terms, and they cannot be removed unless there was a clear violation of the law. This is to prevent the people from making snap judgments and removing a justice based on a particularly unpopular decision they might make in certain high profile cases where the court of public opinion doesn't apply; of course everyone is granted automatic appeal which can eventually reach the Royal Supreme Court.

At the same time that the people have the opportunity to participate in running the country, the head of state has the power of veto of all laws the National Assembly passes, but not those that the people pass. When the head of state doesn't agree with a particular law that the people have passed, he cannot veto it, but he can petition the Royal Constitutional Court to issue a brief ruling on the law, at which point they can decide to hold a full trial or allow it to become law with the potential to review the law again at another time should an issue arise and it reach their chambers.

Of course, certain requirements must be met before the people can simply change things; first, a certain number of people must sign a petition for the process to begin, and then a certain amount of the eligible voting population have to participate and meet a threshold in order for the legislation to pass. As this is sometimes difficult to attain the people sometimes only get things that have a very high degree of importance to pass, as opposed to a reasonably important but overall not enough to bring together enough people.

I would say 8.5 - 9.

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Meridiani Planum
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Founded: Nov 03, 2006
Capitalizt

Postby Meridiani Planum » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:44 am

Maybe a 7.

The Constitution is the ultimate law of the land, and can't be voted away. There is no direct democracy. Only 10% of the adult population can vote for members of the Lower House, although any adult (16+) may vote for members of the Upper House to challenge bad laws.

Yes, there is plenty of democracy, but it is limited and weighted towards the repeal of laws, rather than letting the voters vote in any laws they want.
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Southern Patriots
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Founded: Apr 19, 2004
New York Times Democracy

Postby Southern Patriots » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:08 am

I'd go with a 4 or 5, mostly similar reasons as Imeriata. The Yeomanry hold a lot of power through their elected officials in the Duke's Court.

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Estainia
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Founded: Jul 03, 2009
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Estainia » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:08 am

Eh. One.
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Bears Armed
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Founded: Jun 01, 2006
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:09 am

Somewhere near the top, I'd say, but it's difficult to decide exactly where. We're a confederation of over 100 separate clans & septs, whose own systems of government all include significant democratic elements but in some cases also have various 'traditional' &/or meritocratic factors involved too.
Each of these groups decides how its own representatives in the national legislature will be selected, and the same factors can apply in that case as well.
There's a written constitution, and although this can be changed the specified method for doing makes success fairly dififcult. (We're talking about roughly four amendments passed per century, so far...)
The head-of-state, whose role is mostly ceremonial, is elected by & from the legislature's members each year but only the 12 largest & most important clans get to put up candidates for this and they have to do so according to a rota. Each candidate for that job must name their chosen candidate for the head-of-government job before that election (and can propose that they themselves be given both jobs), with voting then being for the combination rather than for the H-o-S alone... and any replacement of the H-o-G later on requires a separate vote by the legislature.
The powers of the central government are basically limited to managing foreign policy and defence (& also, to a limited extent, national security), arbitrating serious disputes between clans (etc), providing courts of appeal in some categories of legal cases, and maintaining standards for weights & measures.

So, where would on that scale you place us?
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Romalae
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Founded: May 31, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Romalae » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:41 am

I'd estimate that Romalae is about an 8.
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New Lusitaniagrad
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Founded: Dec 23, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby New Lusitaniagrad » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:45 am

Bah! Democracy? What sort of country would we be if we allowed the peasants to over run us and establish a democracy?

We are a federal monarchy.
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Tsarsgrad
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Founded: Jun 19, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Tsarsgrad » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:49 am

Not quite sure.We allow elections, but only Taxpayers can vote.What would that be?
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Thurask
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Founded: Sep 03, 2009
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Thurask » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:49 am

In all honesty, somewhere quite low on the scale. Sure, the people can decide who gets put on the electoral list for the Communist Party (and thus the ideological makeup of the government), although "people" in that phrase really means "registered member of the Communist Party". Even though they number in the millions.
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Volnotova
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Founded: Nov 08, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Volnotova » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:50 am

The Consortium is neither totalitarian nor democratic.

It is anarchist and opposes statism.
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Charlotte Ryberg
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Founded: Mar 14, 2007
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:20 am

Same as RL Norway plus the bit where the monarchy is directly elected.

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Khodoristan
Minister
 
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Founded: Jul 27, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Khodoristan » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:24 am

8
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Left wing Marxism
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Posts: 47
Founded: Jul 24, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Left wing Marxism » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:27 am

In Left Wing Marxism,the Worker's vote on everything.First the Proletarian Council draws up a bill/resolution/mandate/etc. and the 12 Honorable Chairmen of the Council vote on it.If its approved,then the workers vote on it (and since there is universal employment for all adults,and voting is mandatory,Everyone gets a vote).If it is approved,then the resolution is put into action.Also,the workers elect all 12 of the Chairmen.It's a very democratic system,so its most likely a 10.
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