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Postby Kington Langley » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:37 pm

Rape is an urban legend in Kington Langley thanks to our all-persuasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare :)
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Postby Super Pie Lords » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:38 pm

The government of the Super Pie Lords does not handle children who are products of rape. It's not our place to decide what the mother does with the child.
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Postby Helghast empire » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:54 pm

Southern Patriots wrote:
Makaar wrote:
It's not the mother's fault either; why should she be burdened with nine months of carrying a child she never asked for? Her right to bodily autonomy and security was violated by the rapist; for the state to force her to carry his child to term is just an extension of that violation.

Silly Makaar, women don't have rights. They clearly exist only to birth superior men's babies.


every sexist thing you could say to someone all in one tiny bundle, damn....just damn....couldn't even just say that they had the right to live on their own to simply survive...
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Postby Bust Nexus » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:28 pm

The mother decides what should be done, if the victim is below age of consent the victim's caregivers may provide advice but can't directly make the ultimate decision.

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Postby Southern Patriots » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:29 pm

Helghast empire wrote:
Southern Patriots wrote:Silly Makaar, women don't have rights. They clearly exist only to birth superior men's babies.


every sexist thing you could say to someone all in one tiny bundle, damn....just damn....couldn't even just say that they had the right to live on their own to simply survive...

I didn't mention sandwich making. ;)

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Postby Victorious 1000 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:58 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:If a man in your nation were to rape a woman in your nation and got her pregnate, what would happen to the child in your nation? In Kalaspia-Shimarata, the mother desides whether she wants the baby or whether she wants to give it to adoption


First of all, the rapist will be immediately execute after a quicky trial lasting max of 2 days. In V1000, the mother can decide whether she wants the baby, adoption, or if still possible, abortion.
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Postby The Kangaroo Republic » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:01 pm

It's entirely up for the victim to decide. Usually, the victim decides to either keep the baby or puts it up for adoption. Abortion is rarely performed.
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Postby Old Beringia » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:14 pm

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Old Beringia wrote:As if women should retain any power in marriage.

So marriage turns the woman into nothing more than the man's property?

But I digress: those who consider the humanity of the fetus moot merely because it is inside the woman's body and as a result she can do with he/she/it as she pleases ought to reflect on the paterfamilias analogy.

The woman has a degree of freedom, considering the man has to work, but the man is the final authority.
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Postby Vallermoore » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:18 pm

Either aborted, kept by the mother, or sold to the rich if the mother does not want it. Children who are the product of rape do not count towards the 3 child limit since it was not the woman's fault.

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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:50 pm

This issue no longer exists in Victorious Decepticons. Having found humans too horny to control their reproductive urges, we sterilized them. Now we produce them all in the Cloning Centers.

Before Human 3.0 (sterile) was rolled out, rape-babies were run through biological rendering. "Natural-born" humans are a product of both their mother's and father's Code. Since a rapist is obviously disobedient - a condition which is a product of flawed Code - we would not allow him to pass along his defect.

Even though humans have been sterile from Version 3.0 on, they still have urges and rapes occasionally happen. All rapists are run through biological rendering and turned into biofuel and fertilizer upon detection.
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Postby Grandais » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:22 pm

The Precept to the Rights of Children and Mothers in Exceptional Circumstances (Предписание о правах детей и матерей в исключительных случаях, PPDMIS) 1991 dictates that it is the mother's choice. However, if the mother abandons the child or if the mother is dead, the child is taken to an orphanage.
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Postby Romanium Imperium » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:23 pm

We encourage either abortion or adoption; before the religious get uppity; it's rather that than to have both mother and child suffer their entire lives because the child reminds her every minute of every day what happens and 9/10 cases ends up the victim of severe parental abuse.
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Postby Aryas regime » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:27 pm

In the first place there wouldn't be a rape and secondly IF there was even a possibility this would happen the baby aborted man killed.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:31 pm

Whatever she wants to do with it. We have no say in what choices people make about reproduction of the ceasing there of.

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Postby IrishPunk » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:48 pm

I allow for the woman to handle the situation however she chooses, whether her choice be abortion, adoption, or raising the child as her own.

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Postby Amerikians » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:51 pm

While the government has no official standing in such things; we do encourage adoption; or if she prefers, abortion. Rather one of those options than the child suffer a lifetime of embittered hatred, neglect and outright abuse from it's own mother.
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Postby Rumbria » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:11 am

More often than not, they are aborted out of existence. Once the child is born, however, it is up to the mother what she does with it
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:16 am

A reminder that this is pertaining to what you do in YOUR nation, not a debate thread about what you think about what others do in theirs - this sort of topic has been hashed and rehashed to the point of utter ridiculousness elsewhere. Let's not continue it here, thank you.

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Postby KludgeMUSH » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:45 am

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:If a man in your nation were to rape a woman in your nation and got her pregnate, what would happen to the child in your nation? In Kalaspia-Shimarata, the mother desides whether she wants the baby or whether she wants to give it to adoption
The government does not have any specific policy regarding this. Children are legally classified as a form of livestock until they are adults, and it is up to the owner to make this decision: Keep it, give it away, sell it to someone else, slaughter it and turn it into sausage, it's up to the owner.

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Postby Shin Japan » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:51 am

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:If a man in your nation were to rape a woman in your nation and got her pregnate, what would happen to the child in your nation? In Kalaspia-Shimarata, the mother desides whether she wants the baby or whether she wants to give it to adoption


Also in Shin Japan the mother is free to decide if she wants the baby or give him/her to adoption after birth.

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Postby TurtleShroom » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:13 pm

Langenberg wrote:If a woman or a young girl is raped and becomes pregnant, and is not so rash as to attempt to break the law here, there are two real options. She might keep the unborn child herself, or she might instead choose to give it up to be adopted. Both methods are seen as acceptable in society.


^ This. The human victim can either keep the fetus herself and receive a support check from the government, or she can give the child up for adoption.

Abortion is illegal in most of TurtleShroom without exception, but there are a few still-legal, grandfathered backstreet abortion mills that will accept abortions on rape victims or if the mother's life in danger, but these are few and far in between.

Since this is a case of rape, the mother will be financially supported and compensated for either choice. If she raises the child herself, she will receive checks. If she gives the child up for adoption, the government will float the bill and the red tape. Naturally, delviery and other expenses of giving birth would be waived.


What about the rapist, you ask? Oh, he'll be put to death. :lol:
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Postby TurtleShroom » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:23 pm

Democratic Koyro wrote:*snip* as for the woman, she would be taken, forcibly if need be, to a State abortion center, where the child would be aborted, with or without her choice, for illegal pregenancy. *snip* Where she will learn that every decision the party and state make is always the right choice. *snip*


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Don't come to TurtleShroom. Ever. Don't send any diplomats to TurtleShroom. Ever.

We will be forced to trial and execute your ambassadors for conspiring to murder. If the state drags women to abortion centers and kills their babies and then punishes the rape victim like that, you obviously have a Big Brother and/or Orweillian secret police and kill innocents daily. (Usually, we extradite people who come from realms that serve the Devil, but this... is an exception.)

So yeah. Don't come to TurtleShroom.
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Postby Fedeledland » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:25 pm

Vorond wrote:Most likely abortion, it would of course depend entirely on the victims choice.


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Postby KludgeMUSH » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:33 pm

TurtleShroom wrote:We will be forced to trial and execute your ambassadors for conspiring to murder. If the state drags women to abortion centers and kills their babies and then punishes the rape victim like that, you obviously have a Big Brother and/or Orweillian secret police and kill innocents daily. (Usually, we extradite people who come from realms that serve the Devil, but this... is an exception.)
I think that this is the sort of behavior that "diplomatic immunity" was meant to curtail, to enable civilized relationships betwee countries that may otherwise have horrible policy disagreements. For a state to casually violate diplomatic immunity like that would make it basically impossible to have any relations with them. What you're basically saying there is that you're unwilling to recognize them as a state at all, and regard them as some kind of illegitimate terrorist regime.

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Postby The BranRiech » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:35 pm

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