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Postby BingBing Island » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:50 pm

both the rapist and the child would be shot out of a cannon into a volcano

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Postby Arivali » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:51 pm

If a police report was filed when the rape occurred, then abortion is an option. The other choices are keeping it or adoption. It's entirely up to the woman, and her husband if she's married.

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Postby Anglo-Nihon » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:27 pm

Abortion as a solid practice is still a fringe medical practice in Anglo-Nihon, and as such it would not be the common "procedure". Rather, what would be most common would either be adoption, or the mother would keep the child.

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Postby Xanthal » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:11 pm

Since the WA imposed legislation on the matter, abortion is legally the sole choice of the mother throughout Xanthal. This holds true regardless of the circumstances of the pregnancy. If they are born, they are by law no different from any other child.
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Postby Valcluse » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:11 pm

It is the mother's choice to do what she does with the baby under government law. Officially, officers must determine whether the "victim" was actually raped as there have been a few cases where women became pregnant but claimed they were raped when in fact they consented to having sex in the first place. The government offers some financial assistance in the form of benefits for pregnant women as well as legal assistance provided by the Ministry of Justice if the victim had indeed been raped.

If the victim was found in court to have not been raped and become pregnant as a result of said rape, then the woman is still free to choose what she does with the baby, but all the maternal and legal assistance is withdrawn.

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Postby Vortiaganica » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:56 pm

Rapist is usually murdered by vigilantes and/or fellow prison mates.

Police would give those said murderers 20-30 years, and then commute the prison sentences to 30 days, a week with good behavior upon a retrial in which the status of the murder victim as a rapist would be made the focal point, with the judge deliberating in between 5-10 minutes and the jury taking 20-25 minutes to reach a verdict, in which roughly 10% will find the rapist guilty - after the prison sentence, trial will be overturned and murderers will be released on a technicality with a stipend from the Vortiaganic police thanking them for their assistance in keeping the country clean for any inconvenience.

That's the official briefing we would give the judge, anyway, before the first trial. Usually we just announce the trial and assume it happened, regardless of whether or not people were in the courtroom during the stated trial time, or whether the members of the jury were present, or capable of reaching a verdict, or living. (A trial was once disputed due to one of the jurymembers having died two decades earlier - the dispute was taken to the People's Assembly and thrown out, with the officials involved in the mix up receiving disciplinary action regardless)

Judge would rule the mother's minimal living expenses to be paid by the state for a full 24 month period, and child will then be taken by the mother or the state depending on mother's financial status. Should the state claim the child, child will be required to pay 50% of expenses paid by the state to the mother once he reaches 18, with an indefinite time to work off the debt. Debt payments not required until the child reaches a minimum income level. Child's death before debt to mother paid off allows child to default on loan, state will take burden of remaining expenses.

Children property of the state will become state slaves (e.g. slaves with privileges, or second-class citizens - in comparison to the majority of Vortiaganics who are considered 3rd class citizens - upper, middle, lower class.) until they work off their debt (they will be auctioned off online to corporations for a salary, or possibly hired by the state itself), in which case they're allowed to use their experience as significant credit to a Working Qualification, and possibly offering of a senior position in government.
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Postby Legio Doloris » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:57 am

The mother would be shot through the uterus for illegal reproduction, only state authorized pregnancies are legal here. Should the mother survive, she may be used at a later time for carrying pregnancies.
The rapist would be immediately sent for fertilization for illegal reproduction.

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Postby Mekinda » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:12 am

The victim would be allowed her choice, with all costs, be it for abortion or prenatal care and adoption (and including therapy for the victim), being taken out of the rapists' pocket (or, if that is not possible, paid for by the Dominion).

The rapist's manner of death rests with the victim upon conviction. Any and all means of death are acceptable, and if so desired, the victim may assist in the execution.

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Postby The Catepanate » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:15 am

He's given into adoption,if he's a healthy kid.And we'll make sure he never knows about how he was conceived,except on the moment he dies.
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Postby Piacentini » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:32 am

The women gets to make her choice. She can either keep the baby or give it up for adoption.

Abortion, on the other hand, I frown upon. It is not the babies fault that the mother was sexually harassed but if she strongly wants to abort the baby, she may do so.
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Postby Dagnia » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:38 am

It is entirely up to the mother.
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Postby Lancov » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:08 am

The mother has near full control over it's fate. Most end up going to adoption centers.
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Postby Cruithnig » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:32 am

Due to the cost of upholding our original method of dealing with this matter, Cruithnig now euthanises children that are the product of rape.

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Postby Lotrabme » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:50 am

if the parent wants to keep the child, then by all means they can keep them, but if he/she doesnt want to then the child will be orphaned and/or become a super soldier or take up clergy, either one is optional and they are sometimes interchangeable, but the Gnostic Faith adopts alot of kids (And NO we arent like the catholic priests, we have grey aliens in our church :p )
And of course if its early and the mother doesnt wanna give birth, abortion is always optional, if its a father who got raped and the mother dumped the child on him, abortion really isnt an option :P

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Postby Alaois De Lacy » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:07 am

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:If a man in your nation were to rape a woman in your nation and got her pregnate, what would happen to the child in your nation? In Kalaspia-Shimarata, the mother desides whether she wants the baby or whether she wants to give it to adoption


Same here. Abortion is not an option. There is no nationalized adoption program, most are run through the Roman Catholic Church.
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Postby Alehkkmincon » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:12 am

If the mother chooses to keep the child, she can legally fill out the son's/daughter's information on the national database. If not, then she is required to give up the child after birth to GMAF, so he/she can be an elite conscript.
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Postby Oterro » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:19 am

Cruithnig wrote:Due to the cost of upholding our original method of dealing with this matter, Cruithnig now euthanises children that are the product of rape.


That's infanticide.

You should abort them instead, before they're people.

Or you know, give the mother the choice.
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Postby Novariea » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:36 am

It is entirely the mother's choice whether she wishes to abort the child or not. If she does decide to carry the baby to term and give birth, she may then give it up for adoption if she is unable or unwilling to raise it herself.
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Postby Greater Vandalia » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:59 am

It has always been illegal to abort children in the United Kingdom, so I'm afraid that unless the woman's life is in danger, she'll just have to chin up and have the kid.

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Postby Cruithnig » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:02 pm

Oterro wrote:
Cruithnig wrote:Due to the cost of upholding our original method of dealing with this matter, Cruithnig now euthanises children that are the product of rape.


That's infanticide.

You should abort them instead, before they're people.

Or you know, give the mother the choice.


Its a cost effective measure. The foetus feels pain during abortion, if a child is euthanised after birth it dies in its sleep peacefully. Also, abortion can be harmful to a woman so we prefer not to take those risks.

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Postby Zwitterjiund » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:06 pm

There is no such thing as 'rape' in zwitterjiund. The crime became non existant after compulsory DNA collections partnered with the punishment of having ones genitalia slowly pulled off, not disconnected...it is left swinging, repairing the organ is punishable by a two year prison sentance

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Postby Monatoro » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:18 pm

Since the baby was born outside of marriage it will be immediately aborted all children in Monatoro are only allowed to be born in marriage and only after the the 2 people who want to be parents have gone through a rigorous test to determine their capability.

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Postby Cirona » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:25 pm

Women who have been sexually violated, like any other women, will be allowed to abort the foetus, or keep it. However, unlike a consented pregnancy, women who have been raped are allowed to abort the foetus even in the third trimester, which is illegal for women who have become pregnant voluntarily.

A woman who is married and is raped, resulting in a child, has the right to abort the child without her spouse's consent, however, if she decides to keep the child, she has to seek the spouse's consent. If the spouse refuses, the wife can still keep the child however the child will not be legally bind to the spouse.

A raped woman who has decided to keep the child will receive immediate monetary assistance in the first two years after the child has been born, and a raped woman who has aborted the child will receive free counselling to help out with the shock of rape and abortion.

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Postby Stuffed Taxidermists » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:34 pm

Abortion, if the mother wants it. This is one of the rare cases when abortion is allowed.
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Postby Seperate Vermont » Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:05 pm

The mother has the decision to seek abortion, other contraceptive measures, or any other choices the mother may take. We are not ones to believe that forcing a mother to give birth is always a healthful option, for either party.
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