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Charlotte Ryberg
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Is your country an open society?

Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:04 pm

In support of Norway, let's ask nations whether they are an open society in which, for example your government travels around with little security and politicians and business leaders mix freely with ordinary people in a manner rarely seen elsewhere in the world...

Minoa is considered one of the most open societies in the world. The Seigneur or Dame and the Minoan Government are free to move about with probably no security, even in cities as large and as heavily populated as Antjepolis. Indeed, politicians and business leaders mix freely with ordinary people in a manner rarely seen elsewhere in the world and their salaries are made public by tax authorities in the interest of transparency. Most Minoans know nearly all of the neighbours in the ward. Even the celebs don't mind having their private phone numbers on the directory, not all, but most.

Of course, privacy is a big issue, but it's generally only the English that tends to be the country's population group which takes it most seriously.
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Postby Saurisisia » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:07 pm

Sort of, the leaders are free to travel around and meet ordinary citizens. However, they typically are escorted by a detail of non-uniform guards while doing so.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Vezvuelta » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:12 pm

Yes, of course.

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Postby Aryas regime » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:15 pm

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Postby Imeriata » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:17 pm

Properly following the social hierarchy so does his royal highness have the escort worthy of a man of such title just as most noblemen does, while talking to the common man without the proper rituals such things demands are something that would be quite troublesome so that is avoided whenever possible.

The rest of the nobility while they tend to talk with each other and exchange the proper introductions and conversations that would be right between men of their statue so do they still tend to try to keep a detached relation to their fellows.

The commoners however have no trouble getting along with one another and happily greet one another on the streets, know the names of much of their community and tries to help one another out as much as possible.
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Postby Primitivi » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:29 pm

We are as so open normal people get agoraphobia.
By the way; we have no leaders.

We do not hang on to the outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in your societies.

We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more severe cases.

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Postby Kreanoltha » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:31 pm

Sort of and sort of not. The level of interaction people have with other people doesn't really change depending on where people are in society, but Kreanolthans are not very open to begin with. On average, about 20% of the population has chosen to post its phone numbers in the phone book. People generally don't talk to strangers unless they're looking for a date, or they're becoming acquainted with coworkers, classmates, or squad members. Additionally Kreanolthans rarely experience "celebrity worship" that seems so common in other nations. If a Kreanolthan was to see a celebrity that they admired they may compliment them about their latest work or their ability, but nothing beyond that. People generally wouldn't care to know their neighbors in the first place, and no one divulges their salary without a pressing reason.

I suppose it depends on your point of view. All people are equally open, but then no one is really that open.
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Postby Vorond » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:35 pm

The People's Commissars tend to be accompanied by SNK-troops, usually of the famed "Black Guards" who also protect the Supreme Soviet. Especially the "Iron House", the seat of the Council of People's Commissars and the Supreme Soviets assembly hall, is a pyramid-shaped armoured structure, including udnerground bunkers and barracks, emergency equipment and so on, is heavily secured. Polling-offices, regional soviets and so on also are mostly heavily secured, either by local militia units or by regular troops. This is mostly a remnant of the civil war that ended less than 20 years ago, and still today assassination by exiled royalists is a real threat.

That said, the people are free to travel wherever they like in any way they choose. We see it as a sign of honesty that the guard soldiers are fully uniformed while doing their duty: Yes, that is a guardsman, and yes, if you attack the Commissar he will kill you. No tasers, no batons, no chemical agents. Just an AK-103 with hollow point bullets and a bayonet. The latter is regarded the choice for less serious measures. Please note that only citizens and approoved visitors (who have had an intruduction to voronda laws and signed a document stating that they would adhere to them) have the constitutional right for trial. An enemy spy has no rights whatsoever - if an assassin should survive his attempt and be captured, the SNK (Saatosekuritat Naroda Komisarit, People's Commissariat for State Security) will have specialists interrogate him and then have him executed publicly. This is meant to act as a deterrent: do NOT send ANYONE here, other than by official means.

In conclusion: The rights of the citizen are extensive, the rights of the rest...not so much. Once an officially registered visitor was admitted entry into the Free Territory, he gains citizens rights on a temporary basis. If though he crosses the border illegally - he has none at all.
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Postby Langenberg » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:52 pm

Langenberg maintains an open society just as much as possible. We understand, however, that there comes a time when frigid pragmatism must trump idealism, and you must realize that there really are people in the world who do not like you, and who are willing to do horrible things to you and to others, just to hurt you.

Presidents of the Republic have always been reasonably available to public access, but there is no time in the nation's recorded history when one has been left unguarded, not because we do not have faith in our friends and do not trust our own people to be loyal and decent, but because we do trust our enemies to be devious.
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Postby The American Provisional Government » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:52 pm

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Ex-Nation

Postby Cenetra » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:58 pm

Primitivi wrote:We are as so open normal people get agoraphobia.
By the way; we have no leaders.

We do not hang on to the outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in your societies.

We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more severe cases.

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You should have mentioned the violence inherent in the system.
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Postby Langenberg » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:03 pm

Cenetra wrote:
Primitivi wrote:We are as so open normal people get agoraphobia.
By the way; we have no leaders.

We do not hang on to the outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in your societies.

We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more severe cases.

(cup of tea for anyone who recognise above quote)


You should have mentioned the violence inherent in the system.


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Postby Maraque » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:06 pm

Members of the Royal Family freely walk among the people without a care in the world, no security detail present. A member of the Royal Family has not been assaulted or murdered in over 3,000 years, and in fact the people are more likely to act as protection than a threat; one remembers when HRH King Whirnak famously slipped outside a Mercedes-Benz dealership earlier in the year, and dozens of people jumped on the ground to break his fall.

HRH King-Abdicate Furoq still goes grocery shopping every Tuesday at the same grocery store he's been shopping at since his first child and daughter was born when he was 14. Nobody pays him any mind except to bid him a good morning/afternoon/evening, and he will occasionally stop to talk with his former subjects on a whim. The people acknowledge his importance to the nation, but don't try to follow and chase him like lunatics.

The same is said for politicians; in Tsvarchi they are normal people. They do not receive a salary, as they are volunteers, not employees, of the state. They have normal jobs just like the rest of us, although they do receive housing accommodations and a modest expense account. Some of our politicians are technically homeless, living in their office quarters and living off the expense account and the free food at the food court in the Central Government Tower, while some are billionaire businessmen. We have people of all backgrounds in our government. They live and work in the communities they represent; use the same transportation, and walk the same streets.

Even celebrities are left alone for the most part in Tsvarchi; we respect their job and the entertainment they provide us, but we don't believe that their lives should be ruined, and so it is very rare for a mob to form around even Tsvarchi's most rich and famous celebrities. There will always be paparazzi, but laws restrict them in a way as to allow them to perform their job, without getting in the way of the person they're trying to photograph or film. Many people may come up and ask for an autograph or photo with the celebrity, but there will not be any kind of crazy mob around them.

It's also good to note that salaries and incomes of all Tsvarchivans are published on the Advisory of Finance website.
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Postby Sovereign Spirits » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:10 pm

The local population tends to respect the face they see in person a little bit more. It's enough to boost sales, so even big business leaders tend to get out and about. Usually with one or two personal bodyguards, and like 98% of the adult population, they themselves are also armed. It's pretty much the same with community leaders.

You'll be surprised at how friendly and civil most interactions are between two armed individuals. You won't be surprised at how quickly things are resolved between two armed individuals who are neither friendly nor civil.
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Postby Rusikstan » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:15 pm

An open society? We maintain a certain level of being an open society, yes. A clear and clean atmosphere is tried to be represented, but not everything can be seen and the people understand this. Those issues are viewed with rose-colored glasses, if you will. As for community interaction that is different. Buisness men are no more protected than the average citizen for they are average and we fail to see why they are brought up. Celebrities are treated the same way, liked more perhaps, but treated no different. As for actual officials in the community, well that is a different matter as well.The President and National Assembly Representatives mingle freely, not without saftey measures though, with the common crowd. The Premier and the Arbiters, are more reserved in their own appearences by choice, but their appearances when they do happen draw massive attention.
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:24 pm

We're pretty open, but we don't get stupid about it...
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Postby Langenberg » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:29 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:We're pretty open, but we don't get stupid about it...


I hate to say it, but that's simply an excellent way to put it. There is such a thing as being too open and friendly.
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Postby Mount Shavano » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:32 pm

We consider ourselves an open society, yes.
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:48 pm

Langenberg wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:We're pretty open, but we don't get stupid about it...


I hate to say it, but that's simply an excellent way to put it. There is such a thing as being too open and friendly.

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Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.

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Postby Tactota » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:25 pm

Tactota protects the civil liberties of everyone within its borders. This includes the right and ability to approach state officials in public settings without fear of repercussions. Naturally the safety of the official is taken into account, but is rarely necessary.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Distruzio » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:56 pm

King Antonio is beloved by all in Distruzio for his temperance, his generosity, his candor, and his absolute hands off approach to Royal rule. The King, raised in the tradition of anarchic royalty, believes firmly that in order to best facilitate a robust and growing economy, a loyal and thriving population, and an increasingly prosperous people, the rule of law must be voluntarily submitted to. Thus, he has little to fear while inside the borders of the Realm.

Antonio's political restrictions protect any minority from being expropriated from any popular majority.

All recognize that public opinion can change with the tides and that the King approaches the bane of legislative fiat with the utmost propriety. Local political freedoms are encouraged; Universal political freedoms are not tolerated. It cannot be said of Distruzio that the King, or any Crown authority weighs in on the private life or purse of the loyal subject with anything resembling an iron fist.

DIstruzio is not, in the manner of the original question here postited, an "open" society. The Realm is filled with individuals jealously guarded and steeling themselves with the resolve to resist any and all tyranny however it be interpreted to exist. It cannot be said to be a single, or even a collection of large societies at all but, rather, an ever vibrating and convulsing mosaic of cultural life. Some of the regions within the Realm resemble to "open" societies that warrant such curiosity. Others are not. Regardless, no terrorist attack inside Distruzio would successfully shake the Realm in any fashion, such is the interconnected voluntary nature of it. Distruzio is a confederation of sorts with a King ruling from afar. Attacking the King would neither alter Distruzio's foreign nor his domestic policy as there is none to be spoken of. Attacking the local leadership would affect only the community in which the attack was made. Not the Realm in its entirety.

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Postby Leyjutland Major » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:06 am

Our Leyjutlandian politicians are allowed no more than two personal bodyguards at a given time, though they rarely need these.

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Postby Lovaniye » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:32 am

The Council of High Generals always travel with a fully-armed detail of Civil Defense Force Special Servicemen. (This lengthy name is commonly replaced with the coloquialism: "S-troops") The only people allowed to attend public appearances are those in the upper income bracket, namely because tickets are very expensive, but also because of the thorough background check that occurs during the ticket-purchase process. The Grand General never appears in public, and only delivers speeches via television from the privacy of his home or his personal courtyard at Lion's Square Gardens.

There is one exception to the rule: the young High General Errol Knox, the Leader's adopted son, often sneaks out of his home to escape into the slums for a night of partying with the lower-class nightclub-scene. To this day, he has been arrested three times by Law Enforcement Officers, and each time the arresting officer has found himself out-of-a-job and in one particularly brutal arrest the officer was executed. It seems the excuse, "I'm the Grand General's son!", would work a little better than it has.

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Postby Iglesian Archipelago » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:16 am

Any member of government or presidency is free to walk among the people without any security detail. As a result, we're a very open society.

Iglesiantis has full public access to wages; we fully believe all people have the right to know and we fully support transparency.
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Postby Aureka » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:37 am

The New Order does not endanger its leaders by allowing the public access to them. The Imperator can be seen in Imperial television broadcasts espousing mssages of patriotism and striking fear into the hearts of our enemies; the Praetor is usually too busy for media appearances. The only leader seen by ordinary subjects is the Executor, and if you're looking at him, chances are you're in a lot of trouble.

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