All the World's Dreadnoughts

[Hamidiye]

I dont suppose you can put pre-dreadnoughts in here?

[Mount Shavano]

Updated!

[Sycar]

Class Name:
Candela-class
Displacement (standard):
49,500 tons
Primary Armament (in inches):
3 x 15" guns
6 x 16" railguns
Other Armaments:
60 x VLS missiles tubes (SSM/AS)
20 x SAM missile tubes
1 x 127mm DP gun
2 x 30mm rotary cannons
2 x Rolling Airframe C-RAM/CIWSs
1 x 25mm Ares CIWS
Number and Type of Aircraft Carried:
6 x H670 "Jeopardy" helicopters
3 x H650 "Lima" helicopters
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches:
5-15 inches (exact thickness is classified)
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc):
Combination
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc):
Nuclear reactor
Speed in knots:
Maximum speed is 30 knots, cruising speed is 18 knots
Endurance in nautical miles:
unlimited
Year in service:
2016
Year last unit retired or sunk:
Currently in service
Number of units:
2 (SNW Odyssey of Life and SNW Omnipotent)

Edited to change the number of VLS batteries. Edited again to say that I edited it and change the 25mm Ares CIWS to the 30mm Exodus CIWS.

[Rhodevus]

Class Name: Ohtawa Class
Displacement (standard): 20,000 tons
Primary Armament (in inches): 12" (8 x 12)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 9"
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): 4 screws, steam turbines
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Coal
Speed in knots: 23.5 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 6,500 nmi
Year in service: 1910-1928
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1931
Number of units: 14

Commissioned in 1910 for use in the First World War, the Ohtawa Class was hastily designed based largely off of the fleets of Rhodevus's rival nation. It saw widespread military use during the war and were kept long after the War concluded in order to keep it's navy on par in size with the other great powers, even though it became severely under-powered. The last ship of this class was decomissioned in 1931 after it became too costly to maintain

[Sufokia]

OOC: I've been basing a lot of my dreadnought information on the development of Japanese (and by connection, British) capital ships. To OP, would it also be permitted to discuss the different styles of dreadnoughts and the advantages and disadvantages some nations' held over others?

Do I need "OOC" for this?

[Mount Shavano]

Updated! I missed the last two regular weekend updates with family stuff, but we should be back in business.

OOC: I've been basing a lot of my dreadnought information on the development of Japanese (and by connection, British) capital ships. To OP, would it also be permitted to discuss the different styles of dreadnoughts and the advantages and disadvantages some nations' held over others?

Do I need "OOC" for this?

Yes, absolutely discuss the different types of dreadnought!

I don't think OOC tagging is necessary in this thread.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

OOC:
Are dreadnoughts that are starships allowed, or are these only sea-based ones we're talking about?

[The Atlantean Islands]

Minor revisions to some of my classes of battleships:

• Kastor's speed is 29.1 kts, down from 30.2 kts [It feels too unrealistic, given its armour belt of 13.8 inches (and its thicker overall armour compared to Iowa), its main armament of 3×3 16 inch guns and its range of 16,000 nmi.]
• Telokart's main armament is 3×3 16 inch guns (two fore and one aft), from the original 4×2 16 inch guns [I decided to make Atlantis follow a different warship design from Colorado and Nagato at that time, and, instead, follow something akin to, say, Littorio or North Carolina, in terms of turret placement. This is in order to emphasise that Atlantis was (and still is) a very advanced naval power.]

[Newne Carriebean7]

Class Name:Amanzo Class Battleship
Displacement (standard): 32,196 tons
Primary Armament (in inches): 4 triple 13 inch guns (two fore two aft in super-firing positions)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 11 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): All or Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): 2 dual Reciprocating engines
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Coal
Speed in knots: 20 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 2,108 nautical miles at 10 knots
Year in service: 1924
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1990
Number of units: 5 (Amanzo,Nagato, Uesugi,Takeda,Oda)

Ordered to replace three older battleships that were set to be scrapped, the Amanzo Class Battleships were designed for long range gunnery duels and Battle Line fights, akin to the Battle of New Bern between Carriebeanian and American warships that was dubbed the 'Jutland of the Atlantic.'They were also notable for being the very first Carriebeanian Battleships with a complement of more than 1,000 sailors on board. Each of these vessels lived mixed lives.

The lead vessel Amanzo would serve as the flagship of the fleet throughout the 1920s, The Uesugi would find itself being captured and recaptured by opposing royalist and republican forces during the 4th Carriebeanian Civil War, ending up as the flagship of the Carriebeanian Main Fleet.

The Nagato would embark on long pirate raids all over the world throughout the civil war until it's internment by American forces in the Philippines in 1936, where she would be seized, sold and see breif service as a battleship in the Japanese Navy until republican Carriebeanian diplomats were able to negotiate a sale to get the ship back into Carriebeanian hands. The Nagato would end up sunk by an air raid in mid 1942 by american torpedo bombers. She would be quickly raised and pressed back into service as a troop transport, assisting in moving soldiers to and from Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Carriebeanian central america throughout 1943 until the war's end in December of 1944. While there had been talks among allied forces to partition the Carriebeanian Navy, the Nagato soon found itself fighting once more, joining the republican forces in a final last ditch attempt to hold out.

On January 18th,1945 the Nagato was hit by four torpedoes as it sat at anchor near the north Brazilian coast, one of the last strongholds of the republican movement. Settling into the mud, the ship would be raised once more in 1946 on the royalist side, merely regulated to the escorting of convoys of royalist forces throughout the country's rivers until she was abandoned outside of the capital of Carriebean City in 1947. She would sit there, neglected until 1961, with a successful military coup the previous October brought the communist Carriebean Revolutionary Army into power in a military junta. The CRA would set to work fixing the vessel as a "revolutionary pride of the people" warship at a cost of 13.5 million Sais for two years of work. She would serve as a museum ship in Carriebean City until the collapse of the CRA in 1990, being salvaged and taken apart several times for scrap and military parts by waring factions and warlords that participated in the 5th Carriebeanian Civil War.

[Mount Shavano]

OOC:
Are dreadnoughts that are starships allowed, or are these only sea-based ones we're talking about?

I'd prefer to avoid. Sea based is enough for me to track

Updated!

Royal Atlantean battleship data revised. (3x3 16" is plausible for the era, I think. http://www.gwpda.org/naval/irn16bb.htm)

PDCPRURPEDCMJCNPRJNCN Amzano class added. (Nice writeup!)

[Otira]

What national style of early (say 1906-1914) dreadnought is your favorite, Mt Shavano? Which do you think were the best? I've heard the Germans had better guns that the British, which is why they could mount smaller ones that could achieve roughly the same performance and thus also carry extra armour.

[Karpan]

Class Name: Jade-class battleship
Displacement (standard): 51.500 tons
Primary Armament (in inches): 4 dual 18-inch guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 13 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): All or Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): 2 diesel engines
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Oil
Speed in knots: 28 kts
Endurance in nautical miles: 24.000km (I don't use imperial)
Year in service: 1936
Year last unit retired or sunk: -
Number of units: 2 (Jade, Harz)



The battleship Jade was the first capital ship commissioned after the recent economic depression. Named after the Jade Province which in turn is named after the mountain in the background, it is armed with 18-inch guns and is the symbol of Karpan’s post-depression development.

[Mangahhan Super Region]

The MSRNF or the Mangahhan Super Region Naval Forces had its first Dreadnought battleship since 1899, the first ships commissioned to the navy was same as the Japanese Dreadnoughts back then when the Russian Navy was defeated by IJN on the Battle of Port Arthur, more than 10 Dreadnoughts were commissioned by the MSRNF, they've been used against the Japanese on WW2, 4 out of the 10 Ships were sunk, the remaining 4 ships were all decommissioned after the Korean war and fought mostly on bombardment missions against the North Koreans, they were all replaced by Soviet Built Sverdlov Class Cruisers, and was immediately replaced by Kynda Class, Kresta, Slava and Kara Class Soviet Cruisers by the end of the 1970s.

IMNS - Imperial Mangakhna Naval Ship









Class Name: Kawachi Class (Stella Maris Class)
Displacement (standard): 22,500 tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches):
2x twin BL 12-inch Mk XI – XII naval gun
4x twin EOC 12-inch 45-calibre naval gun
2x twin RB 04AShMs (After 1955 refit)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 305mm (12 in.)
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): All or Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): 2 shafts, 2 steam turbine sets
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Coal (Replaced by Mixed Coal-Oil after WW2)
Speed in knots: 22 knots or 41 km/h
Endurance in nautical miles: N/A
Year in service: 1911
Year last unit retired or sunk: Decommissioned 1956
Number of units: 4
IMNS Stella Maris (Naval Flagship until 1946) (Decommissioned 1956)
IMNS Patriot (Sunk in 1944)
IMNS Rodnaiya Strana (Sunk in 1942)
IMNS Morskaya Zvezda (Damaged at Korean War)







Class Name: Shikishima Class (Imperatorskaya Dinastiya Class)
Displacement (standard): 15,240 tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches):
2x twin Armstrong Whitworth 12-inch 40-calibre naval gun
14x single QF 6-inch naval gun
20x single QF 12-pounder 12 cwt naval gun
Maximum Armor Belt Thick
ness in inches: 9 in (209 mm)
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): All or Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc):25 Belleville boilers
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Mixed after WW2
Speed in knots: 18 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 5,000 nautical miles @ 10 knots
Year in service: 1919
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1953
Number of units: 2
IMNS Imperatorskaya Dinastiya (Sunk 1943)
IMNS Patrioticheskaya doblest' (Sunk 1942)




Class Name: Satsuma Class (Watan Class)
Displacement (standard): 20,420 tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches):
2x twin EOC 12-inch 45-calibre naval gun
6x twin Vickers 10-inch 45-calibre naval gun
5x 18 inch Torpedo Tubes
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 241 mm (9.5 inches)
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): All or Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc):20 Miyabara water-tube boilers
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Coal (until 1954)
Speed in knots: 20 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 9,100 nautical miles @ 10 knots
Year in service: 1918
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1954
Number of units: 4
IMNS Watan (Homeland) (Decommissioned 1954)
IMNS Muharib (Warrior) (Damaged 1943, recommissioned shortly before the Korean War) (Decommissioned 1954)
IMNS Alharis (Sentinel) (Sunk 1942)
IMNS Alwataniu (Patriot) (Sunk 1943)

[Ederea]

Class Name: Emperor Terence II-class
Displacement (standard): 75,000
Primary Armament (in inches): 12× 16 inch/50 naval rifles in four three-gun turrets, two fore and two aft, both sides in superfiring layout
6× 6 inch/55 naval guns in two three-gun superfiring turrets, one fore and one aft
16× 5 inch/50 dual-purpose naval guns in eight twin turrets, four on each wing.
80× 1.6 inch/60 autocannons in twelve sextuple and two quadruple mounts
56× 0.80 calibre machine guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 16 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Turtleback
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbines
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Oil
Speed in knots: 26.5 kts
Endurance in nautical miles: 18,000 nmi
Year in service: 1939-1959
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1959
Number of units: 2 (ENS Emperor Terence II, ENS Empress Minerva)

The Emperor Terence II-class was one of the, if not the most powerful battleship in all of Veriga (our home planet). Its early commissioning is due to a lack of Washington Naval Treaty. This is because of the presence of a demonic empire, who sought to (and still seeks to) conquer the entirety of Veriga.

It was built with a turtleback armour scheme in mind, as it was tasked with defeating the most powerful demonic battleships, which, according to intelligence, was equipped with nine 18 inch guns and had similar armour thickness and layout. It was also built with twelve 16 inch guns in an attempt to match the 18 inch guns. These guns were similar to the Iowa-class's 16 inch/50 caliber Mk.7 naval rifles, and they also carried a shell similar to the super-heavy shell.

Originally, four ships were planned, but only two were completed, as the third was converted into an aircraft carrier, and the fourth was cancelled, due to the need to save more resources. The first of these ships, ENS Emperor Terence II, was launched in early 17 Terence II (equivalent 1939), and commissioned in July of that year, and the second of the ships, ENS Empress Minerva, was launched in September of 17 Terence II, and was commissioned the following year.

When Avernix (the given name of the demonic empire) attacked Aseth, a neighbouring continent to Ederea, in late 17 Terence II, Ederea, knowing that if the demons completely conquers Aseth, they would be at severe threat, declared war on Avernix, and sent out fleets in an attempt to cut off Avernix's invasion. Among the ships sent were the two Emperor Terence II battleships, which would perform fairly well.

Although air power was beginning to erode the use of battleships (as it was IRL World War 2), there appeared to be a decisive battle that the Imperial Japanese Navy can only dream of. This battle, called the Battle of Pleruin Crossing, was a mix of aircraft carrier and battleship action. Both Emperor Terence II and Empress Minerva were well involved in the battle, with both ships sinking one Avernian "super battleship" each. They would also sink a handful of other ships during the battle.

During the failed invasion of Avernix proper, both ships were heavily involved in shelling coastal positions, in order to make way for landing troops.

Right now, Emperor Terence II is a museum ship, while Empress Minerva was used as a target ship, before being nuked in a test.

[Mount Shavano]

Updated! Thanks for the detailed posts, everyone. I particularly like the Jade class for some reason...

What national style of early (say 1906-1914) dreadnought is your favorite, Mt Shavano? Which do you think were the best? I've heard the Germans had better guns that the British, which is why they could mount smaller ones that could achieve roughly the same performance and thus also carry extra armour.

In terms of favorite, the last set of German dreadnoughts and große kreuzers from that era are my choice - the König and Derfflinger classes. The German 12" did lose a bit of warhead size compared to the 13.5" on contemporary British ships, but kept up in armor penetration. They also made excellent use of the tonnage saved. König had the best protection of that generation of battleships and exceeded her design speed under combat conditions at Jutland.

Derfflinger and her relatives were unique among WWI and earlier capital ships in that they were able to produce cruiser speed with battleship quality guns and armor. They did give up a turret and some protection compared to König, so her armor was "only" equivalent to that of British battleships, but the design proved superior to the British & Japanese full-scale-guns-but-cruiser-armor approach.

In terms of best, I think the crown bounced around quite a bit. There were basically four generations.

For the first wave of dreadnoughts (Satsuma, Dreadnought, South Carolina, Nassau), designed in Japan, Britain, the United States, and Germany (although only completed in the last three) just after Tsushima, I feel that the Americans got the best value for their tonnage; their design was smaller but was the only one with superfiring turrets (the Americans had solved the problem of how to fire the upper turret without killing the crew of the lower turret in the late 1890s with the bizarre Virginia class), meaning they although they were 10%-15% smaller than the other designs they kept up in guns and armor and were only about 10% slower. The German Nassau was probably the most powerful ship, but the Germans built bigger and more expensive.

The second wave (Neptune, Delaware, Helgoland), happened pretty quick on the heels of the first. Once everyone saw what the others were doing, they modified their designs to beat perceived shortcomings. I think the American design is best in both efficiency and power; they built a ship to match the size and speed of the European ships, but with the superfiring problem solved they had a 25% heavier broadside than British and German designs and at best a minor deficit in protection.

The third wave of dreadnoughts (Orion, Wyoming, Kaiser, some of which were known as "super dreadnoughts", saw the Americans fall behind a bit. The new British ship, Orion, used an American style turret layout and a new 13.5" gun giving her superior firepower. The Germans retained the 12" gun but increased their armored belt to match the new British guns. Wyoming carried two more guns but did not increase either gun size or armor. I give Orion the edge because the Germans still had an inefficient "echelon" turret arrangement.

By the second set of super dreadnoughts (Iron Duke, New York, König), there's not much to choose between the competing designs. All three nations (and the French, and the Chileans, etc) had settled on five twin turrets in an AB-O-XY arrangement. The British and Americans had 13.5" or 14" guns and 12" belts, while the Germans reversed this. I pick the German design as the best since I think they got more in armor than they gave up in guns.

It's important to note that this analysis is probably slightly unfair to the British. They were "first to market" in all cases, so the American and German ships of each "generation" were entering service a few months to even a year or two behind the British equivalents and therefore should be expected to be slightly more modern.

[Skanowka]

Dreadnought is the ancestor of modern warships

[Newne Carriebean7]

Class Name:Zhackary Class Predreadnought battleship
Displacement (standard): 12,305 tons
Primary Armament (in inches):
4 X 10 inch main naval guns in two turrets fore and aft.
12X QF 3 inch guns with six positioned each on the port and starboard sides respectively
2 X 6 inch naval guns with both positioned opposite each other on either side before the secondary bridge in the rear
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 7 inches at it's thickest location
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Triple Expansion Steam engines
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Coal
Speed in knots:17 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 995 nautical miles at 9 knots
Year in service:1880
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1902
Number of units: 7 (Zhackary I, Zhackary II, Sarah I, Fairy Anne, Alex II, Azhab, Harold I)

The Zhackary class battleships marked a revolution in Carriebeanian designs. Being influenced by a mixture of Russian and british era battleship building and having no experience upon her own, these ships were constructed in Russian ports under british supervision, then being delivered to the carriebeanian fleet throughout the 1880s,with the final ship being completed in 1894 after much delay.

Previously, Carriebeanian naval warships were either large turret ships or floating batteries of warships, with much of the last twenty years of steam naval design based upon Austrian ironclad frigates or Carriebeanian civil war ships of the line with armor slapped on the sides and steam engines installed in place of sails. The Zhackary Class was a radical alteration and design difference from the old models of ship building carriebean had grown accustomed towards. The belt, while tough in comparison to the 3 inch steel plating utilized in the ironed ships of the line, was still rather thin in certain areas, such as the magazine and underside, while tough in areas such as the machinery, bridge and armaments.

The lives of the ships were a mixed bag. All (except the still under construction Harold I) of them participated in the Serdian-Carriebeanian war, which was an abrupt wake up call to the Carriebeanian naval command, with the loss of The Azhab to heavy gunfire and the damaging of the Zhackary II during a collision. Poor Carriebeanian seamanship and expert Serdian gunnery further exasperated losses in the naval fights that did occur during the war. Friendly fire incidents also occurred, saved from the terrible accuracy of carriebeanian gunners,exemplified in an accidental firefight between Fairy Anne and Zhackary II, in which over 400 shells were reported to have been fired with just 18 hits being recorded on the 'enemy' (10 impacting the Fairy Anne and 8 impacting the Zhackary II) Carriebeanian vessels even accidentally shot at german passenger liners in the combat area, with serdian combat logs noting only 18 hits on serdian ships out of 1,051 shells fired, compared to 665 connecting impacts by serdian gunners out of 701 fired during the Battle off Leeward Island.

Poor construction of Carriebeanian vessels also played a role, with reports of pre-battle leaking and antiquated fire control systems in place, merely consistent of cannon crew sized teams, including the useless position of muzzle swabber with all the guns being breech loaded. There was also the problem of faulty ammunition, with cannon balls and mine rounds being stuffed into barrels, along with various family heirlooms and silverware from the galley, damaging the side armament with the mismatched ammunition. Carriebeanian vessels were also notorious for being horrific at navigation, with the collision between two battleships during the Leeward Island clash providing evidence of this claim, often having the captains and helmsman consistent with 18th century design of out in rear of the vessel, with serdian gunners zeroing in on the steerage section, often crippling the carriebeanian ships rather easily.

Class Name: Morzo class Predreadnought Battleships
Displacement (standard): 11,008 tons
Primary Armament (in inches):
3 X single turreted 10 inch naval guns
12 X 3.1 inch guns with six on port and starboard respectively
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 2 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbine
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Wood
Speed in knots: 15 knots (top recorded speed) 10 knots (normal speed)
Endurance in nautical miles:1,065 miles at 9.5 knots
Year in service:1890
Year last unit retired or sunk:1923
Number of units: Morzo and Marley

Often considered the worst battleships in Carriebean's naval arsenal at the time. The Morzo class was drawn up within a few months and laid down the same time as a mild economic sneeze was occurring within the country. As a result, the designs were altered to make up for these shortcomings and due to a lack of coal because of the economic sneeze, the ships were switched to a wood burning turbines to compensate. The Armor, initially planned for a same belt of 6 inches akin to the Zhackary class, was cut three times it's proposed amount to just 2 thin little inches of armor around the belt and in the vital areas.

The wooden fed boilers would have preformed well, if it hadn't been for the rather shoddy construction of them and the placement of them next to the magazine and a thin sheet of steel between them less than a half inch thick. The ship was also notoriously sluggish for a battleship and turned rather horrifically. The ship was also designed with awkward V sections of raised steel protection for planned marines that would accompany the vessel, but the marines were scrapped and the V sections of steel were kept because of laziness in the design department.

The Morzo and Marley both were considered the ugliest ships in the fleet, and so sent off to watery graves during the Carriebeanian-Danish War of 1903-1904. Their performance against danish coastal defense ships was one of the only good things about the vessels, quickly squandered when up against modern german battleships at the start of the 1904-1905 Carriebeanian-German War. The 10 inch guns had a rather slow rate of fire of a round every 5 minutes, and given the aforementioned inaccuracy of Carriebeanian gunnery, it was mostly a waste of ammunition and brainpower to get these ships anywhere close to german warships.

Nonetheless, they attempted their best with what they had, and the Marley's captain gordon felix moore charged headlong into four german predreadnoughts, managing to score four hits with the 10 inch guns on their ships and eleven hits from the secondary batteries of cannons. Moore was awarded the Carriebeanian Order of the Blue Cross posthumously after his ship was impacted in the magazines by german gunnery. The Morzo would be in the war intercepting german merchant convoys during the war, holding a rather modest fifteen sunken ships by her skipper Lucas Norman Farr. The Morzo would go on to survive the war, being noted for firing the last shot of the Carriebeanian Amendment Revolution and being turned into a museum ship in 1924.

Class Name:Thames Class Predreadnought Battleships
Displacement (standard): 14,605 tons
Primary Armament (in inches):
2 X single 10 inch main guns
2 X twin 9 inch secondary batteries amidships
18 X 3.3 inch QF cannons (9 each on port and starboard)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 9 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Reciprocating
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc):Coal
Speed in knots:21 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 2,031 miles at 17 knots
Year in service:1895
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1919
Number of units:5 (Thames, Marley, Piratei, Garther, and Schaltcher)

Hoping to learn from their mistakes of the Morzo class, Carriebeanian naval thinkers opted for a combination of 10 inch and 9 inch batteries while still keeping the singularity of the 10 inch rifles to reduce weight. The First ship was laid down just as the commissioning ceremony for the Morzo was occurring in 1890,taking five years to construct. New technologies were to be added and experimented with, such as coal replacing wooden fired boilers and thicker armor in more sensitive areas to avoid errors made in the Morzo and Zhackary class construction.

The Thames Class, while being built too late to fight in the Serdian Carriebean war, proved their worth and expense in the Carriebean Anglo-War against British Predreadnought squadron on the first of August 1904, where a British Predreadnought was sunk thanks to gradually improving Carriebeanian morale and better ammunition available, along with more advanced techniques and practices for warfare being utilized. Carriebeanian gunnery crews were trained for longer hours and actually learned how to shoot, preforming admirably under the circumstances of the engagements.

Despite this, the thicker armor proved to be not as important, with the sinking of the Marley to british laid mines during the siege of Tortuga in 1903. Carriebeanian gunnery actually was shockingly improving, with the scoring of more than three dozen hits on British warships. However, due to political machinations, these ships would stay in port during the ill-fated sortie to Denmark, instead having the Queen opting for the worse Morzo class to be sent up north as part of the fleet to escort ground troops.

[Imperium of The Huron]

Class Name: Royal
Displacement (standard): 22,000 Tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please) 18 Inches
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 14 Inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Steam Turbine
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) oil fired
Speed (in knots): 27 Knots
Endurance (in nmi): 10,000 at 18 knots
Year in service: 1942
Year last unit retired or sunk: Retired as a museum ship in 1984
Number of units: 1

[Ederea]

Class Name: Guardian-class
Displacement (standard): 52,000
Primary Armament (in inches): 9× 16 inch/50 naval rifles in three three-gun turrets, two fore and one aft, the fore turrets in superfiring layout
6× 6 inch/55 naval guns in two three-gun superfiring turrets, one fore and one aft
16× 5 inch/50 dual-purpose naval guns in eight twin turrets, four on each wing
80× 1.6 inch/60 autocannons in twelve sextuple and two quadruple mounts
48× 0.80 calibre machine guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 13.5 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Turtleback
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Oil
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Turbines
Speed in knots: 32 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 18,000 nmi
Year in service: 1937-1959
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1959
Number of units: 4 (ENS Guardian, ENS Champion, ENS Protector, ENS Defender)

The Guardian-class battleship was a faster version of the Emperor Terence II-class. (To be more accurate, the Emperor Terence II-class was a larger and up-gunned version of the Guardian-class.) As such, it was also built with a turtleback scheme.

Originally, six were planned, four for the Ederean Navy, and two for the Imperial Guard Maritime Corps, but, for the same reasons as the last Emperor Terence II-class, none of the ships meant for the IGMC made it. The first was launched on July of 15 Terence II (1937), and was commissioned later that year.

During the Battle of Pleruin Crossing, the battleships did their job well, as they used their speed to cross the Avernian T. They also aided in the shelling of Avernix during the failed invasion of Avernix.

ENS Guardian is now a museum ship, while the rest were scrapped.

Class Name: Leviathan-class Battlecruiser
Displacement (standard): 30,000
Primary Armament (in inches): 9× 12 inch/50 rifles in three three-gun turrets, two fore and one aft, the fore turrets in superfiring layout
12× 5 inch/50 dual-purpose naval guns in six twin turrets, four on each wing
52× 1.6 inch/60 autocannons in eight sextuple and one quadruple mount
32× 0.80 machine guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 10 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbines
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Oil
Speed in knots: 33
Endurance in nautical miles: 2400
Year in service: 1939-1960
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1960
Number of units: 3 (HIEMS Leviathan, HIEMS Kraken, HIEMS Behemoth)

The Leviathan-class were a trio of battlecruisers built for the Imperial Guard Maritime Corps, following the cancellation of the two Guardian-class ships meant for it. (They're basically the equivalent of the Alaska-class.)

[Greater Germany]

In terms of favorite, the last set of German dreadnoughts and große kreuzers from that era are my choice - the König and Derfflinger classes. The German 12" did lose a bit of warhead size compared to the 13.5" on contemporary British ships, but kept up in armor penetration. They also made excellent use of the tonnage saved. König had the best protection of that generation of battleships and exceeded her design speed under combat conditions at Jutland.

Derfflinger and her relatives were unique among WWI and earlier capital ships in that they were able to produce cruiser speed with battleship quality guns and armor. They did give up a turret and some protection compared to König, so her armor was "only" equivalent to that of British battleships, but the design proved superior to the British & Japanese full-scale-guns-but-cruiser-armor approach.

In terms of best, I think the crown bounced around quite a bit. There were basically four generations.

For the first wave of dreadnoughts (Satsuma, Dreadnought, South Carolina, Nassau), designed in Japan, Britain, the United States, and Germany (although only completed in the last three) just after Tsushima, I feel that the Americans got the best value for their tonnage; their design was smaller but was the only one with superfiring turrets (the Americans had solved the problem of how to fire the upper turret without killing the crew of the lower turret in the late 1890s with the bizarre Virginia class), meaning they although they were 10%-15% smaller than the other designs they kept up in guns and armor and were only about 10% slower. The German Nassau was probably the most powerful ship, but the Germans built bigger and more expensive.

The second wave (Neptune, Delaware, Helgoland), happened pretty quick on the heels of the first. Once everyone saw what the others were doing, they modified their designs to beat perceived shortcomings. I think the American design is best in both efficiency and power; they built a ship to match the size and speed of the European ships, but with the superfiring problem solved they had a 25% heavier broadside than British and German designs and at best a minor deficit in protection.

The third wave of dreadnoughts (Orion, Wyoming, Kaiser, some of which were known as "super dreadnoughts", saw the Americans fall behind a bit. The new British ship, Orion, used an American style turret layout and a new 13.5" gun giving her superior firepower. The Germans retained the 12" gun but increased their armored belt to match the new British guns. Wyoming carried two more guns but did not increase either gun size or armor. I give Orion the edge because the Germans still had an inefficient "echelon" turret arrangement.

By the second set of super dreadnoughts (Iron Duke, New York, König), there's not much to choose between the competing designs. All three nations (and the French, and the Chileans, etc) had settled on five twin turrets in an AB-O-XY arrangement. The British and Americans had 13.5" or 14" guns and 12" belts, while the Germans reversed this. I pick the German design as the best since I think they got more in armor than they gave up in guns.

It's important to note that this analysis is probably slightly unfair to the British. They were "first to market" in all cases, so the American and German ships of each "generation" were entering service a few months to even a year or two behind the British equivalents and therefore should be expected to be slightly more modern.

To piggyback off your post, I've been reading up some on German battleships and what do you think they would have looked like in post-WW1 High Seas Fleet where Germany won? I'd like to add some battleships to this thread but I'm not entirely sure what direction they might have taken. My Wien design was a shot in the dark.

[Mount Shavano]

Updated! Good work as always.

Class Name:Zhackary Class Predreadnought battleship
Displacement (standard): 12,305 tons
Primary Armament (in inches):
4 X 10 inch main naval guns in two turrets fore and aft.
12X QF 3 inch guns with six positioned each on the port and starboard sides respectively
2 X 6 inch naval guns with both positioned opposite each other on either side before the secondary bridge in the rear
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 7 inches at it's thickest location
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Triple Expansion Steam engines
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Coal
Speed in knots:17 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 995 nautical miles at 9 knots
Year in service:1880
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1902
Number of units: 7 (Zhackary I, Zhackary II, Sarah I, Fairy Anne, Alex II, Azhab, Harold I)

The Zhackary class battleships marked a revolution in Carriebeanian designs. Being influenced by a mixture of Russian and british era battleship building and having no experience upon her own, these ships were constructed in Russian ports under british supervision, then being delivered to the carriebeanian fleet throughout the 1880s,with the final ship being completed in 1894 after much delay.

Previously, Carriebeanian naval warships were either large turret ships or floating batteries of warships, with much of the last twenty years of steam naval design based upon Austrian ironclad frigates or Carriebeanian civil war ships of the line with armor slapped on the sides and steam engines installed in place of sails. The Zhackary Class was a radical alteration and design difference from the old models of ship building carriebean had grown accustomed towards. The belt, while tough in comparison to the 3 inch steel plating utilized in the ironed ships of the line, was still rather thin in certain areas, such as the magazine and underside, while tough in areas such as the machinery, bridge and armaments.

The lives of the ships were a mixed bag. All (except the still under construction Harold I) of them participated in the Serdian-Carriebeanian war, which was an abrupt wake up call to the Carriebeanian naval command, with the loss of The Azhab to heavy gunfire and the damaging of the Zhackary II during a collision. Poor Carriebeanian seamanship and expert Serdian gunnery further exasperated losses in the naval fights that did occur during the war. Friendly fire incidents also occurred, saved from the terrible accuracy of carriebeanian gunners,exemplified in an accidental firefight between Fairy Anne and Zhackary II, in which over 400 shells were reported to have been fired with just 18 hits being recorded on the 'enemy' (10 impacting the Fairy Anne and 8 impacting the Zhackary II) Carriebeanian vessels even accidentally shot at german passenger liners in the combat area, with serdian combat logs noting only 18 hits on serdian ships out of 1,051 shells fired, compared to 665 connecting impacts by serdian gunners out of 701 fired during the Battle off Leeward Island.

Poor construction of Carriebeanian vessels also played a role, with reports of pre-battle leaking and antiquated fire control systems in place, merely consistent of cannon crew sized teams, including the useless position of muzzle swabber with all the guns being breech loaded. There was also the problem of faulty ammunition, with cannon balls and mine rounds being stuffed into barrels, along with various family heirlooms and silverware from the galley, damaging the side armament with the mismatched ammunition. Carriebeanian vessels were also notorious for being horrific at navigation, with the collision between two battleships during the Leeward Island clash providing evidence of this claim, often having the captains and helmsman consistent with 18th century design of out in rear of the vessel, with serdian gunners zeroing in on the steerage section, often crippling the carriebeanian ships rather easily.

Class Name: Morzo class Predreadnought Battleships
Displacement (standard): 11,008 tons
Primary Armament (in inches):
3 X single turreted 10 inch naval guns
12 X 3.1 inch guns with six on port and starboard respectively
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 2 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbine
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Wood
Speed in knots: 15 knots (top recorded speed) 10 knots (normal speed)
Endurance in nautical miles:1,065 miles at 9.5 knots
Year in service:1890
Year last unit retired or sunk:1923
Number of units: Morzo and Marley

Often considered the worst battleships in Carriebean's naval arsenal at the time. The Morzo class was drawn up within a few months and laid down the same time as a mild economic sneeze was occurring within the country. As a result, the designs were altered to make up for these shortcomings and due to a lack of coal because of the economic sneeze, the ships were switched to a wood burning turbines to compensate. The Armor, initially planned for a same belt of 6 inches akin to the Zhackary class, was cut three times it's proposed amount to just 2 thin little inches of armor around the belt and in the vital areas.

The wooden fed boilers would have preformed well, if it hadn't been for the rather shoddy construction of them and the placement of them next to the magazine and a thin sheet of steel between them less than a half inch thick. The ship was also notoriously sluggish for a battleship and turned rather horrifically. The ship was also designed with awkward V sections of raised steel protection for planned marines that would accompany the vessel, but the marines were scrapped and the V sections of steel were kept because of laziness in the design department.

The Morzo and Marley both were considered the ugliest ships in the fleet, and so sent off to watery graves during the Carriebeanian-Danish War of 1903-1904. Their performance against danish coastal defense ships was one of the only good things about the vessels, quickly squandered when up against modern german battleships at the start of the 1904-1905 Carriebeanian-German War. The 10 inch guns had a rather slow rate of fire of a round every 5 minutes, and given the aforementioned inaccuracy of Carriebeanian gunnery, it was mostly a waste of ammunition and brainpower to get these ships anywhere close to german warships.

Nonetheless, they attempted their best with what they had, and the Marley's captain gordon felix moore charged headlong into four german predreadnoughts, managing to score four hits with the 10 inch guns on their ships and eleven hits from the secondary batteries of cannons. Moore was awarded the Carriebeanian Order of the Blue Cross posthumously after his ship was impacted in the magazines by german gunnery. The Morzo would be in the war intercepting german merchant convoys during the war, holding a rather modest fifteen sunken ships by her skipper Lucas Norman Farr. The Morzo would go on to survive the war, being noted for firing the last shot of the Carriebeanian Amendment Revolution and being turned into a museum ship in 1924.

Class Name:Thames Class Predreadnought Battleships
Displacement (standard): 14,605 tons
Primary Armament (in inches):
2 X single 10 inch main guns
2 X twin 9 inch secondary batteries amidships
18 X 3.3 inch QF cannons (9 each on port and starboard)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 9 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Reciprocating
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc):Coal
Speed in knots:21 knots
Endurance in nautical miles: 2,031 miles at 17 knots
Year in service:1895
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1919
Number of units:5 (Thames, Marley, Piratei, Garther, and Schaltcher)

Hoping to learn from their mistakes of the Morzo class, Carriebeanian naval thinkers opted for a combination of 10 inch and 9 inch batteries while still keeping the singularity of the 10 inch rifles to reduce weight. The First ship was laid down just as the commissioning ceremony for the Morzo was occurring in 1890,taking five years to construct. New technologies were to be added and experimented with, such as coal replacing wooden fired boilers and thicker armor in more sensitive areas to avoid errors made in the Morzo and Zhackary class construction.

The Thames Class, while being built too late to fight in the Serdian Carriebean war, proved their worth and expense in the Carriebean Anglo-War against British Predreadnought squadron on the first of August 1904, where a British Predreadnought was sunk thanks to gradually improving Carriebeanian morale and better ammunition available, along with more advanced techniques and practices for warfare being utilized. Carriebeanian gunnery crews were trained for longer hours and actually learned how to shoot, preforming admirably under the circumstances of the engagements.

Despite this, the thicker armor proved to be not as important, with the sinking of the Marley to british laid mines during the siege of Tortuga in 1903. Carriebeanian gunnery actually was shockingly improving, with the scoring of more than three dozen hits on British warships. However, due to political machinations, these ships would stay in port during the ill-fated sortie to Denmark, instead having the Queen opting for the worse Morzo class to be sent up north as part of the fleet to escort ground troops.

Fantastic writeup! I like the detail and I all did appreciate a write-up that doesn't cast every ship of the player country as a super-ship. Realism is excellent. Is there a summary of all the various wars in your setting?

Unfortunately, I think I have to decline to put pre-dreadnoughts in the table, since I am flirting with the character limit with just the dreadnoughts.

To piggyback off your post, I've been reading up some on German battleships and what do you think they would have looked like in post-WW1 High Seas Fleet where Germany won? I'd like to add some battleships to this thread but I'm not entirely sure what direction they might have taken. My Wien design was a shot in the dark.

A lot would have depended on how the war ended. Was it a German victory or a stalemate? Was it longer or shorter than the real war? Is there still a Washington treaty?

Well, we do know what they wanted to build historically. In September 1918 (when it was clearly not going to actually happen), they approved the "L20e alpha" design for construction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_20e_%CE%B1-class_battleship

She would have been big (43.8k tons) and relatively fast (26 knots). Armor protection would have followed the same scheme and approximate thickness of Bayern, but in order to get the ships into service as quickly as possible they would have skimped on torpedo protection. Main armament would have been 8x16.5" guns (16.5" ~= 42 cm, and since Germans think in metric that was the next logical step up from the ~15", actually 14.96" = 38 cm, guns on Bayern).

They might have selected a different design had things changed earlier, which would have had to happen for the Empire to survive, but that shows their thinking. They were happy with their armor, but wanted faster ships with bigger guns ASAP.

A ship of that scale would likely have either meant no Washington treaty or been scrapped on the conference table. If the former, the Americans and Japanese would have rushed their equivalent ships, and the British would not have taken a break from the game. The G3 design was from years later and they wouldn't have answered a BB with more Hood type BCs, so I don't know what a British design would look like.

In a German Empire that was in better military and economic shape, they might have built another class of 15" ships, likely a refinement of the Bayern design, beginning in 1915 and 1916.

[The Green Union]

It shocks me that I hadn't heard about this awesome forum before now. My hat goes off to the OP for such fantastic work in managing such an ambitious project for so many years.

My nation itself never fielded dreadnoughts, so my contributions will be primarily from the non-player nations in my region which have been important to our collective lore. The most notable are the Kamooko Class II battleships of Placeoderms, a now ex-nation which nonetheless lives on in regional history.

Before I put them up, though, it would be nice if the experts could give the factbook a look over so that I know what aspects are out of place. In lore these warships outclassed anything else in the region at the time, but that doesn't mean they should be characteristic of something which came decades later in real life.

[Mount Shavano]

So, my thread moves at a glacial pace but she does move.

Here's a realism review for the Kamooko Class II battleship. First, I want to note that the writeup is very good. I like the detail.

I understand the design year is 1910. That would make her roughly contemporary with the first super-dreadnoughts. 380mm guns would be more in line with the succeeding classes - the British 15"/42 was designed in 1912, the same year as the ship carrying it was laid down - but a fudge of a couple years isn't a big deal. The 38k ton displacement is at least half again what was historically being built in 1910, but is in the right general range for 10x15", heavy armor, and 24 knots, and larger ships were by no means impossible.

The armor scheme is most unrealistic element. 650mm is a massive amount of armor; even Yamato's belt topped out at 410mm. 650mm for a proper belt would be impossible on the given displacement. It's also worth noting that multiple layers would not provide as much protection as a single layer of their combined thickness, and that 45 degrees is a very extreme slope for an armor belt. To my knowledge, no nation used a sloped belt until the 1930s, and those belts only sloped at 15-18 degrees. I'm not an expert on the tradeoffs in this area, but I suspect ship stability would be affected.

Generally, naval engineers would attempt to armor battleships to withstand their own guns at normal combat ranges - this was considered a "balanced" design. If you simply halved the 650mm to 325mm, you would be in a realistic range; the 15" British battleships had a 330 mm belt, but Kamooko II would have better turret armor. I'd also make it a conventional belt rather than steeply inclined and layered.

The secondary battery is a bit much. There are three unlikely things here: First, four sizes of gun is a lot. Two would be more realistic. Second, that's a LOT of guns; 51 by my count. The WWI 15" of the British and German navies carried 18 each, the American equivalents 22. It's unlikely she'd have the hull space. Third, having both 152mm and 150mm would be extremely inconvenient. There's nothing a 152 mm gun can do that a 150 mm can't, and vice versa, but you'd have to carry two types of ammo and it would confuse your fall of shot. I'd recommend deleting the 152mm and 128mm guns, and having the 88s replace the 128s in the AA listing. I'd keep the 150s because a nation that uses a true 380mm gun instead of 381mm = 15" would likely also use a 150mm instead of 152mm = 6".

Thanks for your praise for my project and for your contribution to it!

[Aldina]

Class Name: Saareland-class
Displacement (standard): ~43,000 T
Primary Armament (in inches): 16.5in
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 13.8in
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Steam turbines
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Coal
Speed in knots: 26kt
Endurance in nautical miles: 5,000nmi
Year in service: 1920
Year last unit retired or sunk: N/A
Number of units: 2 (out of a planned 4)

When design work first started in 1912, the Saareland-class battleship represented the pinnacle of Aldish naval architecture, including then-novel features such as superfiring turrets and integrated torpedo tubes. It was intended to be the cornerstone of a new focus in the Imperial military on sea power, which ultimately didn't pan out (but which ended up birthing a few rather nifty designs). The design was continually edited and updated until late 1918, when construction of the first unit (SMKS Saareland) began, followed by a second unit (SMKS Lutelia) in 1919 and both ships being taken into commission in 1920. With an additional two units planned, the class is looking to be simply one in a long line of workhorses (which started with the Herzog-class in 1910) to come from the minds at the Imperial City Naval Works, rather than the great paradigm shift it had been envisioned as.

(If you can guess which never-built class of battleships I based her on, you get a cookie.)

[Mount Shavano]

(If you can guess which never-built class of battleships I based her on, you get a cookie.)

It's one of the L20 variants or one of the similar, contemporary GK designs. Probably L 20 E since that is that the best known?

Regardless, she's on the list now!