All the World's Dreadnoughts

by **Mount Shavano** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:58 pm

Updated.

Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia wrote:Class Name: Yamato-II class Fast Battleship
Displacement (standard): 86,500 metric tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 4 × 20.0787 "/75 cal. (3-gun turrets) ETC guns
Maximum Armour Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 17.9133 "
Armour Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear Power!
Speed (in knots): 35 - 43 knots
Endurance (in nmi): Unlimited
Year in service: Up to 60 years maximum service (for the time being, have been in service for 10 years)
Number of units: Over 600

Class Name: Koutetsu class Fast Battle-cruiser
Displacement (standard): 74,200 metric tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 6 × 17.7165 "/60 calibre Mk III Electro-Magnetic Rail Artillery
Maximum Armour Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 14.0157 "
Armour Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear Power!
Speed (in knots): 35 - 43 knots
Endurance (in nmi): Unlimited
Year in service: Up to 60 years maximum service (for the time being, have been in service for 10 years)
Number of units: Over 700

Class Name: Tokugawa class Dreadnought
Displacement (standard): 956,000 metric tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 6 × huge 22.8346 "/85 cal. (five-gun turrets) ETC guns (main ship armaments) (three five-gun turrets facing rear | three five-gun turrets facing front)
Maximum Armour Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 47.2440 "
Armour Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear Power!
Speed (in knots): 38 knots
Endurance (in nmi): Unlimited
Year in service: Up to 60 years maximum service (for the time being, have been in service for 10 years)
Number of units: 600 - 700

Class Name: Minamoto class Juggernaut
Displacement (standard): 1,356,000 metric tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 6 × huge 22.8346 "/85 cal. (five-gun turrets) ETC guns (main ship armaments) (three five-gun turrets facing rear | three five-gun turrets facing front)
Maximum Armour Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 59.0551 "
Armour Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear Power!
Speed (in knots): 38 knots
Endurance (in nmi): Unlimited
Year in service: Up to 60 years maximum service (for the time being, have been in service for 10 years)
Number of units: 200 - 560

Class Name: Togo Heihachiro class Super-Dreadnought
Displacement (standard): 13,000,000 metric tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 6 × main turrets: quintuple-mounted 30.7086 "/85 calibre Eletro-Magnetic Ballistic Rail-Guns (with optional ETC switch)
Maximum Armour Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 70.8661 "
Armour Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear Power!
Speed (in knots): 29 - 42 knots
Endurance (in nmi): Unlimited
Year in service: Up to 60 years maximum service (for the time being, have been in service for 2 - 3 years)
Number of units: 3 - 4

Class Name: Matsuo class Heavy Cruiser
Displacement (standard): 59,000 metric tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 10 × modernised 7.87401 "/50 3rd Year Type ETC BAE-AGS naval guns(5×2) (40 rounds per minute)
Maximum Armour Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 7.08661 "
Armour Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear Power!
Speed (in knots): 29 - 42 knots
Endurance (in nmi): Unlimited
Year in service: Up to 60 years maximum service (for the time being, have been in service for 2 years)
Number of units: 3 - 8

Class Name: Shin Gunto class Heavy Cruiser Flagship
Displacement (standard): 95,000 metric tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 5 × modernised 18.1102 "/50 3rd Year Type ETC BAE-AGS naval guns(5×2) (40 rounds per minute)
Maximum Armour Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 11.0236 "
Armour Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear Power!
Speed (in knots): 29 - 42 knots
Endurance (in nmi): Unlimited
Year in service: Up to 60 years maximum service (for the time being, have been in service for 1 years)
Number of units: 1

In the interest of clarity, I have standardized all your ship designations to either BB or BC, mostly because I don't know the standard naval code for "Juggernaut".

I'd also like to take this space to remind everyone that this thread records the claims of NS governments w.r.t. their navies, etc, etc.

Matt Ellzey wrote:I like the Invictus-class as well, but any ship with an Iowa-esque feel to them is bound to be a looker!

Anywho, here are my BBs (yes, they're based off actual ships...very much so, actually). Lemme know what you guys think!

-Matt

Class Name: Bismarck
Displacement (standard): 55,347 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 8 x 15-inch guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 14.1 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) Oil-fired
Speed (in knots): 32 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 3,989 miles at 32 knots
Year in service: 1996
Year last unit retired or sunk: Currently active
Number of units: 2 (Bismarck and Tirpitz)

These two vessels were the Empire's first battleships. They received refits in early 2001 and then again in 2007. Originally slated for decommissioning in 2013, the Armed Forces General Staff decided to keep them in service until 2016, when both vessels will turn 20 years old. Due to their immense historical value, both vessels will become museum ships.

Class Name: Hindenburg
Displacement (standard): 69,426 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 8 x 16-inch guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 15.1 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) Oil-fired
Speed (in knots): 33 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 4,113 miles at 33 knots
Year in service: 1996 - present
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1 vessel currently active
Number of units: 6 (Hindenburg, Mackensen, Friedrich der Grosse, Alexander der Grosse, Von der Tann, Grosser Kurfurst)

Alexander der Grosse and Friedrich der Grosse were scuttled after being severely damaged in surface actions within days of each other in November 2002. Von der Tann was sunk at anchor by a magazine explosion in June 2003. Mackensen was sunk by aerial attack in November 2005, and Grosser Kurfurst was sunk in port by the same method in July 2006. The sole survivor of the class, Hindenburg herself, will become a museum ship upon decommissioning.

Class Name: Thuringen
Displacement (standard): 77,432 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 8 x 18-inch guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 17.3 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) Oil-fired
Speed (in knots): 33 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 4,113 miles at 33 knots
Year in service: 1999 - present
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1 vessel currently active
Number of units: 6 (Thuringen, Lothringen, Hannover, Oldenburg, Barbarossa, Kronprinz Wilhelm)

Thuringen and Oldenburg were sunk by aerial attack in November 2005, and a submarine sank Hannover the following month. Barbarossa and Kronprinz Wilhelm were sunk by aerial attack in April and July 2006, respectively. The sole survivor of the class, Lothringen, will become a museum ship upon decommissioning.

Class Name: Fuhrer
Displacement (standard): 139,264 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 8 x 21-inch guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 19.8 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) Oil-fired
Speed (in knots): 32 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 3,989 miles at 32 knots
Year in service: initial vessel 2001 - present; later ships 2007 - present
Year last unit retired or sunk: Currently active
Number of units: 1 initially; later increased to 4 (Fuhrer, Kaiser, Kaiserin, Konig)

Class Name: Tegetthoff
Displacement (standard): 754,329 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 8 x 31.5-inch guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 57.8 inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Hydro-electric; draws power from the ocean itself.
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) N/A
Speed (in knots): 33 knots
Endurance (in nmi): Infinite save for food supplies.
Year in service: 2006 - present
Year last unit retired or sunk: Currently active
Number of units: 8, later reduced to 6 (Tegetthoff, Markgraf, Andreas der Grosse, Adolf Hitler, Colossus, Iwabuchi, Muldoon, (unnamed 7th hull), Tannenberg)
Notes: Colossus and the unnamed seventh hull were converted to CVNs; Colossus kept original name, while the unnamed hull was christened Redemption. A ninth hull was constructed as CVN from the keel up and named Reprisal.

Andreas der Grosse was named after Emperor Andreas. Adolf Hitler was named after the German dictator. Iwabuchi was named after the Fleet Marshal and longest-living Imperial Navy officer (Heihachiro Iwabuchi retired in December 2004 at the age of 103 and died the following February.) Muldoon was named after the Imperial Navy's first - and greatest - Fleet Commander.

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(NOTE: The drawing is a modification of someone else's work. 'Germania' is the original title I wanted for my Empire on here, but I had to choose the title I did because it was already taken. )

The first few classes are fine in terms of displacement-to-capability, although starting with the Fuhrer class it starts getting kind of silly. I do appreciate the attention to detail of not just rounding all the displacements and range to the nearest thousand.

I must admit I have a soft spot for the name Großer Kurfürst. When I fought the entire War in the North Sea against my brother (on a 1-capital ship to 1-counter scale!) last summer, she served as my personal flagship from her commissioning on 30 July 1914 until 22 October 1916. Alas, the dockhands couldn't get her out of refit in time for the sortie that developed into the Fourth Battle of Dogger Bank (or Fifth, depending on whether you consider the actions of 14 November 1915 PM and 15 November 1915 AM to be one or two battles), so I transferred my flag to SMS Bayern. I should have realized that was a bad omen...

by **Nihon koku** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:00 pm

Nihon koku wrote:and

Time frame (max. 1906-1945): 1920
Pre or post treaty, or both?: both
How significant a naval power was your nation in the time frame in question?: Major
Which RL nation's would your ships most resemble aesthetically?: Japan
What do you think of Fisher style battlecruisers?: Good
What do you think of German style battlecruisers? Better
List some strengths of your navy (e.g. high quality armor steel) - optional: Training, marksmanship,
List some weaknesses of your navy (e.g. unreliable engines) - optional: Tendency to incorporate too much weaponry or engine power relative to size.
List some "trade-offs" your navy made (e.g. lower speed for better maneuverability) - optional: Sacrifice protection for bigger or more guns.
Give an overview of your nation's geopolitical position & objectives at the time the ships are being designed and built: Dominates the waters around its Home Islands, and seeks to continue to with superior naval forces. Seeks to maintain strength to seize what resources it needs,
Any other relevant factors (budget constraints, canal widths, etc): Budget limited; more likely to prioritize quality over quantity.
Do you want a proposed design for a single class, or a sketch of all capital ship construction in the time frame in question? Proposed design.
If a single class, BB or BC, and what displacement? BB, surprise me.

Considering the previous flaws in domestic design, it was recommended to attempt a foreign design and see its qualities.

Bump because I loved this thread so much

by **United Kingdom of Muffins** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:13 pm

Class Name: Blueberry 1st rate ship of the line
Displacement (standard):Approx. 3500 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 2 8.12 inches cannons (along with smaller guns)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): .9 inches of oak
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Sail
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A)
Speed (in knots): 9.5
Endurance (in nmi): Depends of food stocks
Year in service: 1772
Year last unit retired or sunk: N/A
Number of units: Currently 1 4 built

by **New Vihenia** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:04 pm

Lonely Eagle Class Battleship

The In Progress Image

The image depict the 1967 refit of the battleship with some gun emplacements on AFT superstructure removed for make place to Elmiera SAM system.

Originally she was laid down in 1938 and officially joined the Vihenian navy in 1943.

Class Name:Lonely Eagle Class
Displacement (standard):714193 Ton
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 24'' 55 Cal Arclite-Model 1938 Gun
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please):' 25,6'
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental):All or nothing with A Class armor covering 97% of main length
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc):Diesel & Steam turbine with turboelectric drive
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil Fired
Speed (in knots): 30
Endurance (in nmi): 35000 NMI
Year in service: 1943
Year last unit retired or sunk:All ships in Lonely Eagle class battleship were officially decommissioned in 1983
Number of units:6
-Lonely Eagle
-Shining Star
-Shining Tears
-Shining Force
-Kalinin
-Leninsky Komsomol

The specifications in more detailed manner:

by **Onekawa-Nukanor** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:25 am

Class Name: Mangō-Taniwha Class
Displacement (standard): 90,625t
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 17''
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 16
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Steam Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil fired
Speed (in knots): 28 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 6,000
Year in service: 1943-1982
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1982 - Retired
Number of units: 32

Class Name: Kera Wēra Class
Displacement (standard): 56,507t
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 16''
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 15
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type: Steam Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil fired
Speed (in knots): 28 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 6,000
Year in service: 1940-1974
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1974 - Retired
Number of units: 18

by **Pacificius** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:58 pm

Time frame (max. 1906-1945): 1935-1945
Pre or post treaty, or both? Post-treaty
How significant a naval power was your nation in the time frame in question? 2nd Rank
Which RL nation's would your ships most resemble aesthetically? American and Canadian designs are prevalent in the Pacificius National Navy
What do you think of Fisher style battlecruisers? The Pacificius Navy uses a similar model to the British navy, due to our inferior numbers we needed to use a slightly smaller design, with faster and longer ranged ships to protect the huge distances between Guam and mainland Pacificius.
What do you think of German style battlecruisers? Interesting design, however unusable due to our conditions.
List some strengths of your navy (e.g. high quality armor steel) - optional: Higher fuel efficiency and improved fleet tactics
List some weaknesses of your navy (e.g. unreliable engines) - optional: Smaller caliber weapons
List some "trade-offs" your navy made (e.g. lower speed for better maneuverability) - optional: We incorporated higher speeds and more efficient engines to give our capital ships better range to protect Pacificius claims across the Pacific Ocean in exchange for smaller caliber secondary and primary weapons.
Give an overview of your nation's geopolitical position & objectives at the time the ships are being designed and built: These ships would likely serve a dual purpose of defending the Pacifican coast and also projecting our force to protect Pacificius' interests in the seas.
Any other relevant factors (budget constraints, canal widths, etc): None.
Do you want a proposed design for a single class, or a sketch of all capital ship construction in the time frame in question? We would like to ask for the creation of a single class of Battle Cruiser.
If a single class, BB or BC, and what displacement? We would like to procure a Battle Cruiser class ship and with a displacement of about 29,000 tons

by **Colleton** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:38 pm

Time frame (max. 1906-1945): 1912
Pre or post treaty, or both? Pre
How significant a naval power was your nation in the time frame in question? 2nd rank
Which RL nation's would your ships most resemble aesthetically? US
What do you think of Fisher style battlecruisers? so-so
What do you think of German style battlecruisers? Preferred
List some strengths of your navy (e.g. high quality armor steel) - optional: Training, gun quality
List some weaknesses of your navy (e.g. unreliable engines) - optional: Slow construction times, doctrine indecision
List some "trade-offs" your navy made (e.g. lower speed for better maneuverability) - optional:
Give an overview of your nation's geopolitical position & objectives at the time the ships are being designed and built: It is a strategic and important dominion of a larger empire, coming into it's own during this time. The Mother Country directs that each Dominion possess a Fleet strong enough to carry out assaults on Enemy colonies, and to join the Grand Fleet if necessary.
With the rising threat of war new battleships are needed, able to match the guns and armour of competing navies regardless of the cost.
Any other relevant factors (budget constraints, canal widths, etc):
Do you want a proposed design for a single class, or a sketch of all capital ship construction in the time frame in question? Single class
If a single class, BB or BC, and what displacement? BB, large displacement for contemporary designs

by **Vloskovia** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:37 am

Class Name: Oczabursk class battleship
Displacement (standard): 32,000
Primary Armament (in inches, please): nine 15" guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 11"
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Steam turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) Oil-fired
Speed (in knots): 24 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 9500 nmi
Year in service: 1936
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1962
Number of units: 3 + 1 converted to carrier mid-construction

by **Mount Shavano** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:41 pm

Nihon koku wrote:Bump because I loved this thread so much

That makes me happy...

United Kingdom of Muffins wrote:Class Name: Blueberry 1st rate ship of the line
Displacement (standard):Approx. 3500 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 2 8.12 inches cannons (along with smaller guns)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): .9 inches of oak
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Sail
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A)
Speed (in knots): 9.5
Endurance (in nmi): Depends of food stocks
Year in service: 1772
Year last unit retired or sunk: N/A
Number of units: Currently 1 4 built

I like you

New Vihenia wrote:Lonely Eagle Class Battleship

The In Progress Image

The image depict the 1967 refit of the battleship with some gun emplacements on AFT superstructure removed for make place to Elmiera SAM system.

Originally she was laid down in 1938 and officially joined the Vihenian navy in 1943.

Class Name:Lonely Eagle Class
Displacement (standard):714193 Ton
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 24'' 55 Cal Arclite-Model 1938 Gun
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please):' 25,6'
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental):All or nothing with A Class armor covering 97% of main length
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc):Diesel & Steam turbine with turboelectric drive
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil Fired
Speed (in knots): 30
Endurance (in nmi): 35000 NMI
Year in service: 1943
Year last unit retired or sunk:All ships in Lonely Eagle class battleship were officially decommissioned in 1983
Number of units:6
-Lonely Eagle
-Shining Star
-Shining Tears
-Shining Force
-Kalinin
-Leninsky Komsomol

The specifications in more detailed manner:

Lonely Eagle , Vihenia Battleship laid down 1938

Displacement:
672.393 t light; 714.193 t standard; 803.080 t normal; 874.190 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1.699,48 ft / 1.633,86 ft) x 311,68 ft x (89,90 / 96,22 ft)
(518,00 m / 498,00 m) x 95,00 m x (27,40 / 29,33 m)

Armament:
18 - 24,02" / 610 mm 55,0 cal guns - 7.475,50lbs / 3.390,83kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1942 Model
6 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
18 - 10,00" / 254 mm 55,0 cal guns - 539,69lbs / 244,80kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1938 Model
6 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
40 - 5,31" / 135 mm 60,0 cal guns - 82,23lbs / 37,30kg shells, 450 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
40 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 raised mounts
100 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 6,11lbs / 2,77kg shells, 400 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1938 Model
25 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
20 raised mounts
5 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
25 x Twin mounts on side ends, majority aft
400 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 75,0 cal guns - 2,20lbs / 1,00kg shells, 1.500 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
50 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
50 raised mounts
50 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
50 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 149.055 lbs / 67.610 kg
Main Torpedoes
20 - 31,5" / 800 mm, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m torpedoes - 3,597 t each, 71,931 t total
submerged side tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
20 - 1.433,01 lbs / 650,00 kg ahead throwing AS Mortars + 200 reloads - 140,742 t total
2nd DC/AS Mortars
20 - 1.433,01 lbs / 650,00 kg ahead throwing AS Mortars + 200 reloads - 140,742 t total

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 25,6" / 650 mm 1.029,33 ft / 313,74 m 21,19 ft / 6,46 m
Ends: 25,6" / 650 mm 604,49 ft / 184,25 m 21,19 ft / 6,46 m
Upper: 25,6" / 650 mm 1.029,33 ft / 313,74 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 425,00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
19,7" / 500 mm 1.029,33 ft / 313,74 m 85,27 ft / 25,99 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 278,87 ft / 85,00 m

- Hull void:
16,2" / 412 mm 1.062,01 ft / 323,70 m 82,02 ft / 25,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 25,6" / 650 mm 19,7" / 500 mm 16,5" / 420 mm
2nd: 15,0" / 380 mm 9,84" / 250 mm 11,8" / 300 mm
3rd: 3,94" / 100 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 7,87" / 200 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 19,69" / 500 mm
Forecastle: 19,69" / 500 mm Quarter deck: 19,69" / 500 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 24,02" / 610 mm, Aft 24,02" / 610 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 16 shafts, 975.787 shp / 727.937 Kw = 33,10 kts
Range 35.000nm at 18,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 159.998 tons

Complement:
13.412 - 17.437

Cost:
£248,444 million / $993,777 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 26.166 tons, 3,3 %
- Guns: 25.600 tons, 3,2 %
- Weapons: 566 tons, 0,1 %
Armour: 343.721 tons, 42,8 %
- Belts: 47.462 tons, 5,9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 63.927 tons, 8,0 %
- Void: 52.278 tons, 6,5 %
- Armament: 26.708 tons, 3,3 %
- Armour Deck: 144.406 tons, 18,0 %
- Conning Towers: 8.941 tons, 1,1 %
Machinery: 26.719 tons, 3,3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 189.787 tons, 23,6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 130.688 tons, 16,3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 86.000 tons, 10,7 %
- Hull below water: 35.000 tons
- Hull void weights: 10.000 tons
- Hull above water: 8.000 tons
- On freeboard deck: 8.000 tons
- Above deck: 25.000 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1.829.596 lbs / 829.891 Kg = 264,2 x 24,0 " / 610 mm shells or 551,9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,48
Metacentric height 53,7 ft / 16,4 m
Roll period: 17,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,10
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,34

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,614 / 0,624
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,24 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 48,16 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 22,00 %, 45,93 ft / 14,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Aft deck: 33,00 %, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Average freeboard: 33,96 ft / 10,35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 43,5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 183,3 %
Waterplane Area: 393.392 Square feet or 36.547 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 410 lbs/sq ft or 2.003 Kg/sq metre

Cool art. Is it yours?

Why the reversion to wing turrets?

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:Class Name: Mangō-Taniwha Class
Displacement (standard): 90,625t
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 17''
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 16
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Steam Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil fired
Speed (in knots): 28 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 6,000
Year in service: 1943-1982
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1982 - Retired
Number of units: 32

Mangō-Taniwha Class, Onekawa-Nukanor Navy Batteships laid down 1940

Displacement:
83,160 t light; 87,614 t standard; 90,625 t normal; 93,034 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
1,097.21 ft / 1,086.81 ft x 132.22 ft x 38.06 ft (normal load)
334.43 m / 331.26 m x 40.30 m x 11.60 m

Armament:
12 - 17.00" / 432 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2,456.50lbs / 1,114.25kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (8x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1940 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
6 - 0.00" / 0.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.00lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
52 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (26x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
32 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (16x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 31,323 lbs / 14,208 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 706.43 ft / 215.32 m 13.80 ft / 4.21 m
Ends: 9.00" / 229 mm 380.36 ft / 115.93 m 13.80 ft / 4.21 m
Upper: 10.0" / 254 mm 706.43 ft / 215.32 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
5.00" / 127 mm 706.43 ft / 215.32 m 35.55 ft / 10.84 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 9.00" / 229 mm 9.00" / 229 mm
2nd: 7.00" / 178 mm 7.00" / 178 mm -

- Armour deck: 10.00" / 254 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 112,868 shp / 84,199 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5,420 tons

Complement:
2,611 - 3,395

Cost:
£39.732 million / $158.928 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,915 tons, 4.3 %
Armour: 40,234 tons, 44.4 %
- Belts: 10,791 tons, 11.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 4,646 tons, 5.1 %
- Armament: 5,237 tons, 5.8 %
- Armour Deck: 19,082 tons, 21.1 %
- Conning Tower: 478 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3,018 tons, 3.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 35,993 tons, 39.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,465 tons, 8.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
227,036 lbs / 102,982 Kg = 92.4 x 17.0 " / 432 mm shells or 55.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 10.0 ft / 3.0 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.77
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.64

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.580
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.22 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 32.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 33 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36.25 ft / 11.05 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 32.91 ft / 10.03 m
- Mid (50 %): 39.47 ft / 12.03 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 29.63 ft / 9.03 m
- Stern: 23.06 ft / 7.03 m
- Average freeboard: 33.75 ft / 10.29 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 54.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 265.7 %
Waterplane Area: 103,147 Square feet or 9,583 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 244 lbs/sq ft or 1,192 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.23
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Class Name: Kera Wēra Class
Displacement (standard): 56,507t
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 16''
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 15
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type: Steam Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil fired
Speed (in knots): 28 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 6,000
Year in service: 1940-1974
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1974 - Retired
Number of units: 18

Kera Wēra Class, Onekawa-Nukanor Navy Battleships laid down 1937

Displacement:
48,919 t light; 52,282 t standard; 56,507 t normal; 59,888 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
894.45 ft / 906.50 ft x 115.81 ft x 32.48 ft (normal load)
272.63 m / 276.30 m x 35.30 m x 9.90 m

Armament:
12 - 16.00" / 406 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2,048.00lbs / 928.96kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (6 mounts), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
6 - 0.00" / 0.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.00lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
52 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (26x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
32 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (16x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 26,421 lbs / 11,984 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 589.22 ft / 179.59 m 12.91 ft / 3.93 m
Ends: 7.00" / 178 mm 317.25 ft / 96.70 m 12.91 ft / 3.93 m
Upper: 8.00" / 203 mm 589.22 ft / 179.59 m 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
4.00" / 102 mm 589.22 ft / 179.59 m 30.34 ft / 9.25 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm - -

- Armour deck: 9.00" / 229 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 133,741 shp / 99,771 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 7,300nm at 19.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7,606 tons

Complement:
1,832 - 2,382

Cost:
£30.793 million / $123.171 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,303 tons, 5.8 %
Armour: 22,656 tons, 40.1 %
- Belts: 5,941 tons, 10.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,646 tons, 4.7 %
- Armament: 1,268 tons, 2.2 %
- Armour Deck: 12,547 tons, 22.2 %
- Conning Tower: 254 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 3,534 tons, 6.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 19,427 tons, 34.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,588 tons, 13.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
114,627 lbs / 51,994 Kg = 56.0 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 18.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.60
Metacentric height 13.8 ft / 4.2 m
Roll period: 13.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.86

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.580
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.83 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.11 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 32
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 160.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 33.10 ft / 10.09 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 30.91 ft / 9.42 m
- Mid (50 %): 34.19 ft / 10.42 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 24.34 ft / 7.42 m
- Stern: 21.06 ft / 6.42 m
- Average freeboard: 29.77 ft / 9.07 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 241.2 %
Waterplane Area: 75,359 Square feet or 7,001 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 884 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.28
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Ah, the old heck-I-have-a-population-of-seven-billion-so-why-not-build-fifty-battleships-in-the-carrier-era schtick. Very NS of you.

Pacificius wrote:Time frame (max. 1906-1945): 1935-1945
Pre or post treaty, or both? Post-treaty
How significant a naval power was your nation in the time frame in question? 2nd Rank
Which RL nation's would your ships most resemble aesthetically? American and Canadian designs are prevalent in the Pacificius National Navy
What do you think of Fisher style battlecruisers? The Pacificius Navy uses a similar model to the British navy, due to our inferior numbers we needed to use a slightly smaller design, with faster and longer ranged ships to protect the huge distances between Guam and mainland Pacificius.
What do you think of German style battlecruisers? Interesting design, however unusable due to our conditions.
List some strengths of your navy (e.g. high quality armor steel) - optional: Higher fuel efficiency and improved fleet tactics
List some weaknesses of your navy (e.g. unreliable engines) - optional: Smaller caliber weapons
List some "trade-offs" your navy made (e.g. lower speed for better maneuverability) - optional: We incorporated higher speeds and more efficient engines to give our capital ships better range to protect Pacificius claims across the Pacific Ocean in exchange for smaller caliber secondary and primary weapons.
Give an overview of your nation's geopolitical position & objectives at the time the ships are being designed and built: These ships would likely serve a dual purpose of defending the Pacifican coast and also projecting our force to protect Pacificius' interests in the seas.
Any other relevant factors (budget constraints, canal widths, etc): None.
Do you want a proposed design for a single class, or a sketch of all capital ship construction in the time frame in question? We would like to ask for the creation of a single class of Battle Cruiser.
If a single class, BB or BC, and what displacement? We would like to procure a Battle Cruiser class ship and with a displacement of about 29,000 tons

That ought to be fun. Unfortunately, I have to apologize to both you and the below gentleman:

Colleton wrote:Time frame (max. 1906-1945): 1912
Pre or post treaty, or both? Pre
How significant a naval power was your nation in the time frame in question? 2nd rank
Which RL nation's would your ships most resemble aesthetically? US
What do you think of Fisher style battlecruisers? so-so
What do you think of German style battlecruisers? Preferred
List some strengths of your navy (e.g. high quality armor steel) - optional: Training, gun quality
List some weaknesses of your navy (e.g. unreliable engines) - optional: Slow construction times, doctrine indecision
List some "trade-offs" your navy made (e.g. lower speed for better maneuverability) - optional:
Give an overview of your nation's geopolitical position & objectives at the time the ships are being designed and built: It is a strategic and important dominion of a larger empire, coming into it's own during this time. The Mother Country directs that each Dominion possess a Fleet strong enough to carry out assaults on Enemy colonies, and to join the Grand Fleet if necessary.
With the rising threat of war new battleships are needed, able to match the guns and armour of competing navies regardless of the cost.
Any other relevant factors (budget constraints, canal widths, etc):
Do you want a proposed design for a single class, or a sketch of all capital ship construction in the time frame in question? Single class
If a single class, BB or BC, and what displacement? BB, large displacement for contemporary designs

as since graduating and getting a job I lack the free time to draw up battleships. Maybe someone else with an interest will help you out.

Vloskovia wrote:Class Name: Oczabursk class battleship
Displacement (standard): 32,000
Primary Armament (in inches, please): nine 15" guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 11"
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Steam turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) Oil-fired
Speed (in knots): 24 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 9500 nmi
Year in service: 1936
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1962
Number of units: 3 + 1 converted to carrier mid-construction

Hooray for realistic designs.

Let's see if I still remember where I saved the ol' first-post table on my hard drive...

by **Onekawa-Nukanor** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:47 pm

Mount Shavano wrote:
Nihon koku wrote:Bump because I loved this thread so much

That makes me happy...

United Kingdom of Muffins wrote:Class Name: Blueberry 1st rate ship of the line
Displacement (standard):Approx. 3500 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 2 8.12 inches cannons (along with smaller guns)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): .9 inches of oak
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Sail
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A)
Speed (in knots): 9.5
Endurance (in nmi): Depends of food stocks
Year in service: 1772
Year last unit retired or sunk: N/A
Number of units: Currently 1 4 built

I like you

New Vihenia wrote:Lonely Eagle Class Battleship

The In Progress Image

The image depict the 1967 refit of the battleship with some gun emplacements on AFT superstructure removed for make place to Elmiera SAM system.

Originally she was laid down in 1938 and officially joined the Vihenian navy in 1943.

Class Name:Lonely Eagle Class
Displacement (standard):714193 Ton
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 24'' 55 Cal Arclite-Model 1938 Gun
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please):' 25,6'
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental):All or nothing with A Class armor covering 97% of main length
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc):Diesel & Steam turbine with turboelectric drive
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil Fired
Speed (in knots): 30
Endurance (in nmi): 35000 NMI
Year in service: 1943
Year last unit retired or sunk:All ships in Lonely Eagle class battleship were officially decommissioned in 1983
Number of units:6
-Lonely Eagle
-Shining Star
-Shining Tears
-Shining Force
-Kalinin
-Leninsky Komsomol

The specifications in more detailed manner:

Lonely Eagle , Vihenia Battleship laid down 1938

Displacement:
672.393 t light; 714.193 t standard; 803.080 t normal; 874.190 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1.699,48 ft / 1.633,86 ft) x 311,68 ft x (89,90 / 96,22 ft)
(518,00 m / 498,00 m) x 95,00 m x (27,40 / 29,33 m)

Armament:
18 - 24,02" / 610 mm 55,0 cal guns - 7.475,50lbs / 3.390,83kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1942 Model
6 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
18 - 10,00" / 254 mm 55,0 cal guns - 539,69lbs / 244,80kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1938 Model
6 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
40 - 5,31" / 135 mm 60,0 cal guns - 82,23lbs / 37,30kg shells, 450 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
40 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 raised mounts
100 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 6,11lbs / 2,77kg shells, 400 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1938 Model
25 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
20 raised mounts
5 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
25 x Twin mounts on side ends, majority aft
400 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 75,0 cal guns - 2,20lbs / 1,00kg shells, 1.500 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
50 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
50 raised mounts
50 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
50 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 149.055 lbs / 67.610 kg
Main Torpedoes
20 - 31,5" / 800 mm, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m torpedoes - 3,597 t each, 71,931 t total
submerged side tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
20 - 1.433,01 lbs / 650,00 kg ahead throwing AS Mortars + 200 reloads - 140,742 t total
2nd DC/AS Mortars
20 - 1.433,01 lbs / 650,00 kg ahead throwing AS Mortars + 200 reloads - 140,742 t total

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 25,6" / 650 mm 1.029,33 ft / 313,74 m 21,19 ft / 6,46 m
Ends: 25,6" / 650 mm 604,49 ft / 184,25 m 21,19 ft / 6,46 m
Upper: 25,6" / 650 mm 1.029,33 ft / 313,74 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 425,00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
19,7" / 500 mm 1.029,33 ft / 313,74 m 85,27 ft / 25,99 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 278,87 ft / 85,00 m

- Hull void:
16,2" / 412 mm 1.062,01 ft / 323,70 m 82,02 ft / 25,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 25,6" / 650 mm 19,7" / 500 mm 16,5" / 420 mm
2nd: 15,0" / 380 mm 9,84" / 250 mm 11,8" / 300 mm
3rd: 3,94" / 100 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 7,87" / 200 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 19,69" / 500 mm
Forecastle: 19,69" / 500 mm Quarter deck: 19,69" / 500 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 24,02" / 610 mm, Aft 24,02" / 610 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 16 shafts, 975.787 shp / 727.937 Kw = 33,10 kts
Range 35.000nm at 18,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 159.998 tons

Complement:
13.412 - 17.437

Cost:
£248,444 million / $993,777 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 26.166 tons, 3,3 %
- Guns: 25.600 tons, 3,2 %
- Weapons: 566 tons, 0,1 %
Armour: 343.721 tons, 42,8 %
- Belts: 47.462 tons, 5,9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 63.927 tons, 8,0 %
- Void: 52.278 tons, 6,5 %
- Armament: 26.708 tons, 3,3 %
- Armour Deck: 144.406 tons, 18,0 %
- Conning Towers: 8.941 tons, 1,1 %
Machinery: 26.719 tons, 3,3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 189.787 tons, 23,6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 130.688 tons, 16,3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 86.000 tons, 10,7 %
- Hull below water: 35.000 tons
- Hull void weights: 10.000 tons
- Hull above water: 8.000 tons
- On freeboard deck: 8.000 tons
- Above deck: 25.000 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1.829.596 lbs / 829.891 Kg = 264,2 x 24,0 " / 610 mm shells or 551,9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,48
Metacentric height 53,7 ft / 16,4 m
Roll period: 17,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,10
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,34

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,614 / 0,624
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,24 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 48,16 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 22,00 %, 45,93 ft / 14,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Aft deck: 33,00 %, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
- Average freeboard: 33,96 ft / 10,35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 43,5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 183,3 %
Waterplane Area: 393.392 Square feet or 36.547 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 410 lbs/sq ft or 2.003 Kg/sq metre

Cool art. Is it yours?

Why the reversion to wing turrets?

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:Class Name: Mangō-Taniwha Class
Displacement (standard): 90,625t
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 17''
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 16
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Steam Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil fired
Speed (in knots): 28 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 6,000
Year in service: 1943-1982
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1982 - Retired
Number of units: 32

Mangō-Taniwha Class, Onekawa-Nukanor Navy Batteships laid down 1940

Displacement:
83,160 t light; 87,614 t standard; 90,625 t normal; 93,034 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
1,097.21 ft / 1,086.81 ft x 132.22 ft x 38.06 ft (normal load)
334.43 m / 331.26 m x 40.30 m x 11.60 m

Armament:
12 - 17.00" / 432 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2,456.50lbs / 1,114.25kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (8x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1940 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
6 - 0.00" / 0.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.00lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
52 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (26x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
32 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (16x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 31,323 lbs / 14,208 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 706.43 ft / 215.32 m 13.80 ft / 4.21 m
Ends: 9.00" / 229 mm 380.36 ft / 115.93 m 13.80 ft / 4.21 m
Upper: 10.0" / 254 mm 706.43 ft / 215.32 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
5.00" / 127 mm 706.43 ft / 215.32 m 35.55 ft / 10.84 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 9.00" / 229 mm 9.00" / 229 mm
2nd: 7.00" / 178 mm 7.00" / 178 mm -

- Armour deck: 10.00" / 254 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 112,868 shp / 84,199 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5,420 tons

Complement:
2,611 - 3,395

Cost:
£39.732 million / $158.928 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,915 tons, 4.3 %
Armour: 40,234 tons, 44.4 %
- Belts: 10,791 tons, 11.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 4,646 tons, 5.1 %
- Armament: 5,237 tons, 5.8 %
- Armour Deck: 19,082 tons, 21.1 %
- Conning Tower: 478 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3,018 tons, 3.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 35,993 tons, 39.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,465 tons, 8.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
227,036 lbs / 102,982 Kg = 92.4 x 17.0 " / 432 mm shells or 55.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 10.0 ft / 3.0 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.77
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.64

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.580
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.22 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 32.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 33 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36.25 ft / 11.05 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 32.91 ft / 10.03 m
- Mid (50 %): 39.47 ft / 12.03 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 29.63 ft / 9.03 m
- Stern: 23.06 ft / 7.03 m
- Average freeboard: 33.75 ft / 10.29 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 54.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 265.7 %
Waterplane Area: 103,147 Square feet or 9,583 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 244 lbs/sq ft or 1,192 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.23
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Class Name: Kera Wēra Class
Displacement (standard): 56,507t
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 16''
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 15
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): All-or-Nothing
Powerplant Type: Steam Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Oil fired
Speed (in knots): 28 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 6,000
Year in service: 1940-1974
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1974 - Retired
Number of units: 18

Kera Wēra Class, Onekawa-Nukanor Navy Battleships laid down 1937

Displacement:
48,919 t light; 52,282 t standard; 56,507 t normal; 59,888 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
894.45 ft / 906.50 ft x 115.81 ft x 32.48 ft (normal load)
272.63 m / 276.30 m x 35.30 m x 9.90 m

Armament:
12 - 16.00" / 406 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2,048.00lbs / 928.96kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (6 mounts), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
6 - 0.00" / 0.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.00lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
52 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (26x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
32 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (16x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 26,421 lbs / 11,984 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 589.22 ft / 179.59 m 12.91 ft / 3.93 m
Ends: 7.00" / 178 mm 317.25 ft / 96.70 m 12.91 ft / 3.93 m
Upper: 8.00" / 203 mm 589.22 ft / 179.59 m 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
4.00" / 102 mm 589.22 ft / 179.59 m 30.34 ft / 9.25 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm - -

- Armour deck: 9.00" / 229 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 133,741 shp / 99,771 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 7,300nm at 19.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7,606 tons

Complement:
1,832 - 2,382

Cost:
£30.793 million / $123.171 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,303 tons, 5.8 %
Armour: 22,656 tons, 40.1 %
- Belts: 5,941 tons, 10.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,646 tons, 4.7 %
- Armament: 1,268 tons, 2.2 %
- Armour Deck: 12,547 tons, 22.2 %
- Conning Tower: 254 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 3,534 tons, 6.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 19,427 tons, 34.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,588 tons, 13.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
114,627 lbs / 51,994 Kg = 56.0 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 18.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.60
Metacentric height 13.8 ft / 4.2 m
Roll period: 13.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.86

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.580
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.83 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.11 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 32
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 160.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 33.10 ft / 10.09 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 30.91 ft / 9.42 m
- Mid (50 %): 34.19 ft / 10.42 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 24.34 ft / 7.42 m
- Stern: 21.06 ft / 6.42 m
- Average freeboard: 29.77 ft / 9.07 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 241.2 %
Waterplane Area: 75,359 Square feet or 7,001 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 884 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.28
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Ah, the old heck-I-have-a-population-of-seven-billion-so-why-not-build-fifty-battleships-in-the-carrier-era schtick. Very NS of you.

Pacificius wrote:Time frame (max. 1906-1945): 1935-1945
Pre or post treaty, or both? Post-treaty
How significant a naval power was your nation in the time frame in question? 2nd Rank
Which RL nation's would your ships most resemble aesthetically? American and Canadian designs are prevalent in the Pacificius National Navy
What do you think of Fisher style battlecruisers? The Pacificius Navy uses a similar model to the British navy, due to our inferior numbers we needed to use a slightly smaller design, with faster and longer ranged ships to protect the huge distances between Guam and mainland Pacificius.
What do you think of German style battlecruisers? Interesting design, however unusable due to our conditions.
List some strengths of your navy (e.g. high quality armor steel) - optional: Higher fuel efficiency and improved fleet tactics
List some weaknesses of your navy (e.g. unreliable engines) - optional: Smaller caliber weapons
List some "trade-offs" your navy made (e.g. lower speed for better maneuverability) - optional: We incorporated higher speeds and more efficient engines to give our capital ships better range to protect Pacificius claims across the Pacific Ocean in exchange for smaller caliber secondary and primary weapons.
Give an overview of your nation's geopolitical position & objectives at the time the ships are being designed and built: These ships would likely serve a dual purpose of defending the Pacifican coast and also projecting our force to protect Pacificius' interests in the seas.
Any other relevant factors (budget constraints, canal widths, etc): None.
Do you want a proposed design for a single class, or a sketch of all capital ship construction in the time frame in question? We would like to ask for the creation of a single class of Battle Cruiser.
If a single class, BB or BC, and what displacement? We would like to procure a Battle Cruiser class ship and with a displacement of about 29,000 tons

That ought to be fun. Unfortunately, I have to apologize to both you and the below gentleman:

Colleton wrote:Time frame (max. 1906-1945): 1912
Pre or post treaty, or both? Pre
How significant a naval power was your nation in the time frame in question? 2nd rank
Which RL nation's would your ships most resemble aesthetically? US
What do you think of Fisher style battlecruisers? so-so
What do you think of German style battlecruisers? Preferred
List some strengths of your navy (e.g. high quality armor steel) - optional: Training, gun quality
List some weaknesses of your navy (e.g. unreliable engines) - optional: Slow construction times, doctrine indecision
List some "trade-offs" your navy made (e.g. lower speed for better maneuverability) - optional:
Give an overview of your nation's geopolitical position & objectives at the time the ships are being designed and built: It is a strategic and important dominion of a larger empire, coming into it's own during this time. The Mother Country directs that each Dominion possess a Fleet strong enough to carry out assaults on Enemy colonies, and to join the Grand Fleet if necessary.
With the rising threat of war new battleships are needed, able to match the guns and armour of competing navies regardless of the cost.
Any other relevant factors (budget constraints, canal widths, etc):
Do you want a proposed design for a single class, or a sketch of all capital ship construction in the time frame in question? Single class
If a single class, BB or BC, and what displacement? BB, large displacement for contemporary designs

as since graduating and getting a job I lack the free time to draw up battleships. Maybe someone else with an interest will help you out.

Vloskovia wrote:Class Name: Oczabursk class battleship
Displacement (standard): 32,000
Primary Armament (in inches, please): nine 15" guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 11"
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Steam turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) Oil-fired
Speed (in knots): 24 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 9500 nmi
Year in service: 1936
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1962
Number of units: 3 + 1 converted to carrier mid-construction

Hooray for realistic designs.

Let's see if I still remember where I saved the ol' first-post table on my hard drive...

This NS, so I had to have so many, partly doctrinally, but also because my population-to-military size ratio would been really thrown out of whack, and I would find it difficult to explain my current population.

by **Confederate States of California** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:45 pm

Class Name: Thomas Jefferson Class Battleship
Displacement (standard): 49,000 Tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 9x 22 inch Mk10 mod 1 guns.
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 16.5 Inches
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental):
Belt: See Above
Bulkheads: 12.2 inches
Barbettes: 12.5-19.2 inches
Turrets: 22 Inches
Deck: 8.2 inches
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): 1x CCNA Mk202 Nuclear Reactor, 2x Mk20 Steam Turbines (Backup)
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A)
Speed (in knots): 38 Knots
Endurance (in nmi): It's nuclear powered.... how about a good long while?
Year in service: December 22nd, 2016-Present Day (RP Date 2020)
Year last unit retired or sunk:None have been retired or sunk, however, the last unit completed was the CCS Zachary Charles Sumey, BB-04, which entered service on September 8th, 2019
Number of units: Four units active, One under construction, another planned.
CCS Thomas Jefferson, BB-01
CCS Liam Douglas Mackenzie, BB-02
CCS Ronald Ernest Paul, BB-03
CCS Zachary Charles Sumey, BB-04
CCS Marcellino Marian Jauregui, BB-05 (In Construction)
CCS Barry Morris Goldwater, BB-06 (Planned)

by **Ethopian Empire** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:03 am

Class Name: Lion Class Battleship
Displacement (standard): 60,000 Tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please):

World War II, Korea, Helskinari Conflict:
9 × 20-inch (406 mm)/50 cal. Mark 7 guns
25 × 7-inch (127 mm)/38 cal. Mark 12 guns
80 × 40 mm/56 cal. Bofors
60 × 20 mm/70 cal. Oerlikon
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 13.1 In.
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental):
Belt: 13.1 in (310 mm)
Bulkheads: 11.3 in (290 mm)
Barbettes: 11.6 to 17.3 in (295 to 439 mm)
Turrets: 19.7 in (500 mm)
Decks: 7.5 in (190 mm)
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): 1x ENAC U320 Nuclear Reactor with 5 EEC V80 Diesel Engines For Backup
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A)
Speed (in knots): 30
Endurance (in nmi): Up to how much food the ship has. Engine wise, it can go up to 25 years.
Year in service: April 21st, 2000-Present day (2018)
Year last unit retired or sunk: The EBB Issilen has sunk but has been raised and been repaired. they are still in active service.
Number of units: 3 Units active, 1 planned.

by **Novus Niciae** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:40 am

I am not sure if this qualifies and you are free to ignore it if you want since it is future tech.
This is my nation's newest battleship class.

Class Name: Athena Class Battleship
Displacement (standard): 1,000,000 displacement tonnes
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 2 x 10,000 Tj Spinally mounted Particle Guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 48 inches (Gravitationally compressed crysteel)
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): the armor is 48 inches thick everywhere.
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): 3 x Mk16 Antimatter Reactors
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A) Antimatter
Speed (in knots): 8G acceleration (Top airspeed in 1atm = 300kph)
Endurance (in nmi): 30 years (carries enough food & other consumables for a 5 year voyage)
Year in service: 2011
Year last unit retired or sunk: N/A
Number of units: 50 units commissioned , 20 units under construction, 70 units on order.

by **Sondstead** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:50 am

Had this sitting in my military folder anyway, so.

I'm not really a naval nerd, so like most of my military equipment specs it was kind of just thrown together, but still. :blush:

Class Name: Sündstedr
Displacement (standard): 17,425 tons
Primary Armament (in inches, please): 13.8 in (350 mm)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 8.3 in (210 mm)
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): Incremental
Powerplant Type: Turbines
Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: Coal
Speed (in knots): 21.25 knots
Endurance (in nmi): 5,000 nmi at 12 knots
Year in service: 1914
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1954
Number of units: 4

by **Meritocratic States** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:14 am

Class Name: Ariadne auf Naxos-class
Displacement (standard):

45,000 Tonnes (1956)
55,000 Tonnes (After 2020 refit)

Primary Armament (in inches, please):

1956-2024 Armaments:
- 9 x 16"/50 Mark 7 Guns
- 20 x 15"/30 Mark 12 Guns(1956-2020)
1970 Refit
- 32 Aegis Missile Launchers
- 12 RGM 10 Anti-Ship Missile Launcher
1980 Refit
- 4 x 78 inch CIWS Phalanx
- 32 Phaethon Missile Launchers
- 14 RGM 45 Anti-Ship Missile Launcher
2020 Refit
- 10 x 15"/30 Mark 76 Rail Guns (2020-2024)

Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please):

4.44 Inches (Standard)
8.43 Inches (1970 Refit)
11.65 Inches (1980 Refit)
13.58 Inches (2020 Refit)

Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental):

Incremental

Powerplant Type :

Diesel Engine (1956-1997)
Nuclear-Powered Turbine (1997 Refit)

Oil fired, coal fired, or mixed: (ignore if N/A)
Speed (in knots):

36 knots (1956-1997)
40 knots (1997 Refit)

Endurance (in nmi):

14,231 (13 knots)
Unlimited: 20-25 Years (1997 Refit, with a 4 years worth of supplies)

Year in service: 1956-2024
Year last unit retired or sunk: MSNV Mountain Sylph (BB-06) January 12, 2024
Number of units: 6

MSNV Ariadne auf Naxos (BB-01) Former CNS Ariadne auf Naxos
[Years of Service: 1956-2000 : Decommissioned, Museum Ship]
MSNV Genoveva (BB-02) Former CNS Genoveva
[Years of Service: 1964-2002 : Inactive, now reserve]
MSNV Meistersinger von Nürnberg (BB-03) Former CNS Meistersinger von Nürnberg
[Years of Service: 1968-2008 : Inactive, now reserve]
MSNV Ivanhoe (BB-04) Former CNS Ivanhoe
[Years of Service: 1968-2011 : Inactive, now reserve]
MSNV Schauspieldirektor (BB-05) Former CNS Schauspieldirektor
[Years of Service: 1974-2024 : Inactive, now reserve]
MSNV Mountain Sylph (BB-06) Former CNS Mountain Sylph
[Years of Service: 1979-2024 : Inactive, now reserve]

The Ariadne auf Naxos-class is the only class of battleships that served the Coalition of Allied Navies and its superseding organization, the Strategic Defense Forces: Naval Warfare Branch. For 68 years, the Ariadne auf Naxos-class is the longest serving naval ship-classes in the Meritocratic States naval history.

The first ship, the MSNV Ariadne auf Naxos began its service during the 1956 Incident, the invasion of the Kingdom of Jusintania. It saw first action in the Evacuation at Arzachel Bay. It became the flagship of the Coalition of Allied Navies during the events of the one-year war. The last active ships received the last refit in 2020.

Their effectiveness began to wane because of the new doctrine the Strategic Defense Forces now use, the Ariadne auf Naxos-class battleship was eventually succeeded by the Agathon-class Aircraft Carrier in 2024 as the new strategic assets for force projection. These ships are now mothballed at the Naval Base Arzachel, laying in reserve should they be needed to serve the country again.

by **New Phyrreus** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:02 am

Class Name: Valiant Class
Displacement: 65,320 net ton
Primary Armament: 9 x 16.1in ETC guns, 24 x 5in dual-purpose AA guns (Dual Mounts), 36 x 1.5in Bofors guns, 48 twin Oerlikon 20mm guns, 17 x twin 7.62mm Brownings.
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness (in inches, please): 12.5in (Multi-layered tempered steel)
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing or Incremental): 12.5in Belt, 7.8in deck and superstructure
Powerplant Type: Nuclear
Speed: 32kts
Endurance: Virtually Unlimited
Year in service: 1953
Year last unit retired or sunk: Heroic, retired in 2003, preserved as museum
Number of units: 4 (Valiant, Invincible, Heroic, Courageous)

by **Whiteshore** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:19 pm

Time frame (max. 1906-1945):1941
Pre or post treaty, or both?Post
How significant a naval power was your nation in the time frame in question?3rd Class
Which RL nation's would your ships most resemble aesthetically?A mixture of Soviet Russia and Imperial Japan
What do you think of Fisher style battlecruisers?Ok
What do you think of German style battlecruisers?Very Good
List some strengths of your navy (e.g. high quality armor steel) - optional:Competent Admirals,High Quality Steel
List some weaknesses of your navy (e.g. unreliable engines) - optional:Low Funding(most funding goes to the Army or the Air Force)
List some "trade-offs" your navy made (e.g. lower speed for better maneuverability) - optional:More Firepower for less Armor
Give an overview of your nation's geopolitical position & objectives at the time the ships are being designed and built:The Government's Aim is mainly to defend the motherland from Fascist Agression
Any other relevant factors (budget constraints, canal widths, etc):Budget Constraints
Do you want a proposed design for a single class, or a sketch of all capital ship construction in the time frame in question?Two classes
If a single class, BB or BC, and what displacement?1 55,000 BB and 1 62,000 BC.

by **Mount Shavano** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:34 pm

Bumping the thread with some quick IC fluff on my revised battleship list:

*****

The Federation of Mount Shavano is in a "rough national neighborhood", and prior to the development of the dreadnought battleship had been engaged in something of a naval buildup. Generally, the Laurasian Senate and Federation Assembly were authorizing two battleships and an armored cruiser every year, with a new design about every two years.

The initial Federation Navy dreadnought, SNS Dauntless, was laid down in 1905, with one sister, and completed rapidly. She was a logical development of the last FN pre-dreadnoughts; slightly lengthened to accommodate an extra superfiring 12" turret fore and aft, and with the medium caliber weapons deleted to make weight for them. (The armored cruiser for that year was built to a uniform 8" design and was not a battlecruiser, in spite of the battlecruiser-esque price tag.) The first duo was completed rapidly in 1906 and 1907, but larger, more radical designs of foreign dreadnoughts convinced the government that a larger design was required.

The SNS Atropos was a further lengthened Dauntless, carrying a fifth turret placed toward the aft and feeding off the aft magazines, although it could not fire astern (the Federation Navy never put a turret shaft between boiler rooms). The ship was significantly larger, but carried the same armor and speed; she was regarded as a better sea boat. Six ships of this design entered service between 1910 and 1912. The armored cruiser for 1907 was cancelled, and in the 1908 and 1909 fiscal years two battlecruisers were built to the design of SNS Hotspur, essentially an Atropos with the midships turret deleted in favor of more boilers. The belt had to be lengthened to protect the longer ship, and so the thickness was reduced. As with all Federation battlecruisers, she was larger and more expensive than the stablemate battleship.

The Federation Navy was not happy with the firing arcs of the Atropos design, and elected to move to only eight guns of a larger caliber with the SNS Avalon and her sisters, laid down late 1909 through mid 1911. The design was otherwise extremely similar to the preceding Atropos. The equivalent battlecruiser, SNS Hydra was a repeat Hotspur with somewhat improved protection.

SNS Ides of March and her three sisters were laid down the next two years and came online as the "Guns of August" began to fire in 1914. She implemented a significant increase in protection over her predecessor, while keeping the same armament and speed. The companion battlecruiser, SNS Intrepid, got a new 50 caliber 12" gun to replace Hydra's 12"/45, and another increase in protection. Speed remained 26.5 knots, unimpressive by world standards, but her protection was acceptable to fight battleships in an emergency.

The Federation was not invaded during the war, and to keep it that way construction of SNS Thunder Child was made a priority. There were four ships in the class; Argo was fitted with a special two level conning tower to serve as fleet flagship. The increase in displacement went toward more deck armor and an improved 14" gun; Thunder Child introduced a new "long-range" armor scheme and a new, more damage resistant engine. The constructed alongside Thunder Child but not accelerated was SNS Leviathan, a 14" battlecruiser also using the new armor scheme. Leviathan retained the heavy armor and marginal speed of her predecessors.

SNS Arminius was built to a design the Federation Navy came to regret. There was significant opposition in the FN brass to a triple turret, as they believed it would compromise accuracy, the 16" gun being developed had acquired teething problems, and a fifth turret would have been a backward step, so the ship's firepower was held steady. The protection was already cutting edge, and simply repeating the Thunder Child would produce a ship falling behind world standards. So, the FN increased the speed of the new design. After it was confirmed, the Senate balked at funding a battlecruiser only 2.5 knots faster than the battleships being built, and Leviathan became the last FN battlecruiser.

SNS Timnath Serah was an improved Thunder Child laid down using the finally ready 16" gun design in 1917, gaining an excellent TDS in addition to the larger guns. The building cycle was somewhat long, with the world calming down, and two of the three projected sisters died on the Treaty table.

SNS Nova was built when the Treaty system collapsed in the late 30s. She was a pretty typical "Treaty" battleship, unique mostly in that she eschewed many weight saving compromises of other designs.

*****

General notes on Federation BBs and BCs:
The Federation favored protection (including deck and torpedo protection, especially in later ships) at the expense of firepower. They tended to have large operational ranges, due to the size of the area they were expected to operate it. The Federation favored lattice masts - even on the Novas - and never moved away from them. Funnels were generally trunked into one large one, and superstructure was kept to a minimum; the ships usually had low profiles. All ships were built with four propeller shafts for redundancy and steering ability in the case of rudder damage. The standard secondary size was 5", although of course the models improved. The Nova was built with DP weapons, and most surviving older ships refitted.

*****

Ship names:
Dauntless : A positive attribute and a traditional Shavanoan name.
Atropos : One of the Greek fates and the ship of a mythical hero. Traditional Shavanoan naval name by the 20th C.
Hotspur : A medieval rebel and another ship of a mythical hero.
Avalon : An Arthurian site, traditional Shavanoan ship name.
Hydra : A mythical beast; about half of FN battlecruisers carried names of this type.
Ides of March : Refers to the assassination of Caesar; the Shavanoan culture detests tyranny and sees Caesar as the prototype tyrant.
Intrepid : A positive attribute.
Thunder Child : A ship of legend; traditional Shavanoan ship name, dating to early 19th C.
Argo : A ship of legend; traditional Shavanoan ship name, dating to early 19th C. An Argo was the flagship in the final victory over the Aldar-Ihrillian Empire, and the name is rarely left unused.
Arminius : A Germanic chieftan who fought and beat Augustus' legions. The whole class is named for opponents of the first two Caesars.
Leviathan : A mythical beast; about half of FN battlecruisers carried names of this type.
Timnath Serah : The place where Joshua retired after conquering the Holy Land; Joshua is an important cultural figure in Mount Shavano.
Nova : The last country on the continent of Laurasia signed the treaty to join the Federation in 1851, but did not take their Senate seats until January 18th, 1855 (elections are held on January 5th, that being the day the country was founded, and seats are taken the second Thursday afterward for obscure reasons), the same day the U Leonis nova occurred. The Nova is a powerful symbol of unity for the Federation, and there is nearly always a capital ship bearing that name; urban legend says the flag is supposed to depict it, but in fact the national flag was in use before that date. All ships of this class bore names of ships decommissioned under the treaty; the Nova was a sister of Atropos.

by **Blackledge** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:50 pm

Class Name: New Avalon
Displacement (standard): 17,500 tons
Primary Armament (in inches): 8 × 12in guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 12in
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Triple-expansion
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Mixed
Speed in knots: 21
Endurance in nautical miles: 7,000 nmi at 10 knots
Year in service: 1905
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1922
Number of units: 5 (New Avalon, Crucis, Alderney, New Lancaster, Liberty)

The New Avalon-class was the first dreadnought type built for the Commonwealth States Navy. The Navy had observed gunnery developments both at home and abroad, and in the late 1890s Admiral Enoch Holman began to advocate a new style of battleship. After retiring, he was appointed Secretary of the Navy and made able to advance his dream. Named for the Commonwealth of New Avalon, the first two of the class were laid down in 1904. It would be the CSS Crucis that would be commissioned first, thus leading to a period when these new vessels were referred to as "Crucian Battleships" before the term "Dreadnought" caught on from overseas. Despite Secretary Holman's influence, there were compromises in the class from his original team's design including triple-expansion engine as Congress debated the the added cost of new steam turbine engines that would subsequently be standard on new battleship classes. In addition, the initial intended armament had been 10 to 12 guns, but concerns over firing arcs, hull strain, and other issues caused the design to be limited to 8 guns in four centreline turrets. The New Avalon-class was seen as a massive success in an era when many naval powers were also beginning to design and deploy their own dreadnought battleships. Its design, construction, and service would prove invaluable in the design of future battleships.

by **Hatterleigh** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:39 pm

Class Name: Abundance III
Displacement (standard): 38,860 tons
Primary Armament (in inches): 9x16''
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 13''
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Thorium
Speed in knots: 25 knots
Endurance in nautical miles:
Year in service: 1962
Year last unit retired or sunk: Still Active
Number of units: 2

by **Mount Shavano** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:32 am

Updated!

Blackledge wrote:Class Name: New Avalon
Displacement (standard): 17,500 tons
Primary Armament (in inches): 8 × 12in guns
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 12in
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Triple-expansion
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Mixed
Speed in knots: 21
Endurance in nautical miles: 7,000 nmi at 10 knots
Year in service: 1905
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1922
Number of units: 5 (New Avalon, Crucis, Alderney, New Lancaster, Liberty)

The New Avalon-class was the first dreadnought type built for the Commonwealth States Navy. The Navy had observed gunnery developments both at home and abroad, and in the late 1890s Admiral Enoch Holman began to advocate a new style of battleship. After retiring, he was appointed Secretary of the Navy and made able to advance his dream. Named for the Commonwealth of New Avalon, the first two of the class were laid down in 1904. It would be the CSS Crucis that would be commissioned first, thus leading to a period when these new vessels were referred to as "Crucian Battleships" before the term "Dreadnought" caught on from overseas. Despite Secretary Holman's influence, there were compromises in the class from his original team's design including triple-expansion engine as Congress debated the the added cost of new steam turbine engines that would subsequently be standard on new battleship classes. In addition, the initial intended armament had been 10 to 12 guns, but concerns over firing arcs, hull strain, and other issues caused the design to be limited to 8 guns in four centreline turrets. The New Avalon-class was seen as a massive success in an era when many naval powers were also beginning to design and deploy their own dreadnought battleships. Its design, construction, and service would prove invaluable in the design of future battleships.

Now this is the type of post I like to see! Believable ship, good writeup.

Hatterleigh wrote:Class Name: Abundance III
Displacement (standard): 38,860 tons
Primary Armament (in inches): 9x16''
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 13''
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Nuclear
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Thorium
Speed in knots: 25 knots
Endurance in nautical miles:
Year in service: 1962
Year last unit retired or sunk: Still Active
Number of units: 2

I don't think I've ever seen a thorium battleship before, nice.

by **East Graenia** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:12 am

Class Name: Hallesburg-class
Displacement (standard): 72,419 gwt
Primary Armament: 12x 16-inch SchG-Modell 39 gun, 20x 6-inch FlaK M491 (1968 refit), 24x 25mm GrGW AuK-64 (1968 refit)
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 14 in
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): Incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Diesel
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Oil
Speed in knots: 27
Endurance in nautical miles: 5,000 nmi
Year in service: 1943
Year last unit retired or sunk: Expected 1992
Number of units: 6 (1 active)

by **The Earth Systems Alliance** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:14 am

I have space dreadnoughts, do they count?

by **Blackledge** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:29 am

Mount Shavano wrote:
Blackledge wrote:- Snip -

Now this is the type of post I like to see! Believable ship, good writeup.

Thank you, I have an amateur historian's interest in naval history. Have you considered ever doing a pre-dreadnought battleship thread? In any case I think I will work on and add a few more battleship designs this thread.

by **Sufokia** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:47 am

Class Name: Nakatleh
Displacement (standard): 20,900 tons
Primary Armament (in inches): 12x12in
Maximum Armor Belt Thickness in inches: 12in
Armor Layout (All-or-Nothing, Incremental, etc): incremental
Powerplant Type (Turbines, Reciprocating, Expansion, Turbo-electric, Diesel, etc): Turbine
Power Source (Oil, Coal, Mixed, etc): Coal
Speed in knots: 21kn
Endurance in nautical miles: 5,700 nmi at 10 knots
Year in service:1907
Year last unit retired or sunk: 1933
Number of units: 2

The Nakatleh class battleship was a development in an all big-gun capital ship program undertaken by the Sufokian navy in the beginning of the 20th century. Naval engagements in a series of small primarily-naval wars in the late 19th century and first few years of the 20th had provided valuable experience in what worked and did not work with their pre-dreadnoughts. In addition, a fair number had been built overseas, allowing the Sufokian navy to learn more from how foreign powers built their own vessels. The Navy General Staff ordered the construction of the Kogedi class battleship, intended to be the first all big-gun vessels, in 1904. Resource and budgetary issues led to complications, and a reshuffle of government ministers ultimately resulted in the Kogedi mounting only four 12-inch guns supplemented with 10 inch guns. The Nakatleh was thus laid down two years later under a more stable government and learned much from the boondoggle of the Kogedi's development. Both battleships of the class, the Hekelya and the Mazzalshima, were commissioned a year later in a show of engineering and efficiency that boosted national pride. Their turbine engines were the most modern Sufokia could manufacture, their armament was set in two-gun turrets arrayed four in the center-line and two amidship, and their armor steel cemented ranging in thickness throughout the ship. With modern fire control systems and wireless telegraphy (which had been added to Sufokian ships two years earlier), the Nakatleh class would confidently guide the Combined Fleet of the United Colonies of Sufokia into the dreadnought age.

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