Good vs. Evil

[Augarundus]

This is a central theme to most storylines, certainly many in the nationstates world.

Simply choose one (both, mid-ground, extreme, etc.) and, if you'd like, explain the reasoning.

Augarundus- Extremely evil
In Augarundus, religious and racial persecution are promoted and exercised by the government. We are highly expansionist and swallow smaller nations in the black heart of our Communist regime. There is also no wealth outside the government due to the Communist system, and those who suffer illnesses or any form of disability are pushed to the frontlines of combat.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Are you trying to get people to list where they feel their nation stands in relation to good vs evil? Frankly, that can get a bit fuzzy for some of us. And in some circumstances, where you stand depends on others perceptions of you. They might think you are 'evil' when your own nation views themselves as 'just peachy'.

Besides. Its much simpler to just work all of this out in RP and let people decide how they want to view you. Its more interesting at any rate.

[Fatatatutti]

Fatatatutti is goody-two-shoes and a little bit preachy. Oh, did you say "peachy"? Well, we're that too. And pinappley.

[Augarundus]

Are you trying to get people to list where they feel their nation stands in relation to good vs evil? Frankly, that can get a bit fuzzy for some of us. And in some circumstances, where you stand depends on others perceptions of you. They might think you are 'evil' when your own nation views themselves as 'just peachy'.

Besides. Its much simpler to just work all of this out in RP and let people decide how they want to view you. Its more interesting at any rate.

It's based on your own perception of your nation and how you intend to develop it. And I did state there is a "gray" zone meaning that you don't necessarily fit into either extreme.

[Rejistania]

@Augarundus: it's "Eine Welt"

Rejistania is mostly good: We have free elections, respect human rights, love our soccer, respect out cultural diversity...
But then, the nation is kinda corrupt, err I mean, efficient, The pan-rejistanism is seen as a way to assimilate all rejistanis into an amorphous culture, and Jahane San is seen as a dictator in all but title, because she is not one of the ridiculously powerless first lentine'ny.

[Dystopian Polymarchy]

We, the Dystopian Polymarchy, are an evil country due to our many Terrorist attacks which we support.

[Third Spanish States]

Third Spanish States is a shade of grey, slightly lighter than 50% grey. They are unforgiving and unmerciful to those who threaten their freedom and dignity, like criminals and conspirators, and they will use whatever means necessary to achieve their revolutionary ends, except of course creating a transitional "dictatorship of the proletariat", and besides, they see things in a practical manner(to the point volunteer vigilantes patrol the beaches to not allow "dumb people" to immigrate to the Confederacy). For them freedom is more important than everything, including in such everything the very survival of mankind as a species, now whether they prioritize their freedom over mankind's freedom is a point of debate. Of course, they have good intentions, but like an old saying claim over good intentions... For example, they have nearly exterminated the clergy of and entire religion in a place where their revolution happened(in one of the RPs I'm still doing right now), and killed even innocents among guilty in such church because it was trying to return with the ancien regime through a conspiracy against their revolution. On the other hand, such place became far more economically prosperous, freedom of speech was granted to everybody and they implemented an economic model without command hierarchies. On other matters, they also tend to use heinous criminals as guinea pigs for black projects of the sort that would sometimes approach Kraven Corporation's level of brutality, except that they don't cut funds from such projects regarding anesthesia, but there are some bastards there as well who have "principles" against physical torture, but on the other hand like to provoke psychological suffering because "these are scum who killed innocents, and they deserve it". Oh, and of course, they would gather information from a discovered conspirator trying to establish a tyranny by any means necessary. Besides, being thrown in a hole by an angry mob, with no food or water(reserved only for slavers, child-killers and alike) certainly isn't very nice.

And there is a whole conspiracy kitchen sink behind Third Spanish States as well. Who knows if whoever pulls the strings of fortune 500 cooperatives behind the scenes has really good intentions?

[Treznor]

As Nathicana points out, "good" and "evil" are extremely subjective. From a role-playing standpoint, the Empire of Treznor is extremely amoral, therefore in the "gray" area. However, the citizens are largely convinced that they themselves are firmly in the "Good Guy" status, even though the government may not conform to their ideal. The highest levels of the government does not try to be good or evil, merely effective.

While I associate with some idealists, even they're tempered by practical concerns. I find it unhelpful to try to pigeonhole even the Federated Segments of Scolopendra as purely "Good Guys." As well-written as they are, they're far more complex than that.

[Meciene]

Meciene is a country with infinite sidings, as there is no such thing as a 'Good' or 'Evil' country. Meciene was moulded based on people's opinion. Whatever they decide, they do.

[The P]

As far as such relative concepts as Good and Evil apply to nations, we find The P to be a good nation. We are a vanguard of Order in a world filled with Chaos. We bring equality to where such things are threatened by the greed and selfishness of human being. We give people's lives a meaning, through education, work and feeling of community.

Okay, that might've gone a tad propaganda-ish at some point, but it is true nevertheless.

[Heinleinites]

We are a vanguard of Order in a world filled with Chaos. We bring equality to where such things are threatened by the greed and selfishness of human being. We give people's lives a meaning, through education, work and feeling of community.

That sounds like an extremely unpleasant place to live. Enforced equality, government issued meaning to life, not good things.

[Fatatatutti]

That sounds like an extremely unpleasant place to live.

The topic is about "Good vs. Evil". Pleasure doesn't necessarily equate to good.

[Amn Voss]

Amn'Voss is ran by a doctrine of rational self-interest and that money is virtue.

With that said, some may call us good. Others may call us evil. Either way, we're right.

[Ordo Drakul]

The Ordo Drakul finds that "Good" and "Evil" are largely determined after the facts by whichever side controls the archivists. As a result, many of the social conventions that determine "Good" and "Evil" are reversed or changed in our land. We firmly believe in Freedom of the Individual, so such cultural oddities as legal dueling and vendettas exist in our world. Slavery is a matter of court sentence-no one is born into slavery, but those that exist have earned it by their actions. There is no social prohibition on devouring sentients, even alive, but there is a serious taboo on using Fire unless one is a member of certain priesthoods.

Of course, our feuding and infighting is usually seen as a cultural aberration, though those nations aware of our vast mineral resources have declared us "Evil" and waged horrid jihad against us. Funny how that works...

[Haldula]

We are a vanguard of Order in a world filled with Chaos. We bring equality to where such things are threatened by the greed and selfishness of human being. We give people's lives a meaning, through education, work and feeling of community.

That sounds like an extremely unpleasant place to live. Enforced equality, government issued meaning to life, not good things.

True. This is somewhat communist, and equates to government control. Though your support order and financial and social equality, it's not necessarily good.... Though the equality point is unrealistically idealistic.

[The P]

That sounds like an extremely unpleasant place to live. Enforced equality, government issued meaning to life, not good things.

The government doesn't actually give people the meaning to live in the sense that it would say "You do this, and will make you happy!" Instead, during one's school years, more emphasis is put on discovering one's interests and skills, and matching them to find them a occupation which they would enjoy and in which they would be happy.

True. This is somewhat communist, and equates to government control. Though your support order and financial and social equality, it's not necessarily good.... Though the equality point is unrealistically idealistic.

Government regulation would be a more accurate description. Also, the level of ideal equality is far from the kind of unrealistic level I presume you to mean, as the government does understand that forced economic equality would mean an economic disaster (which is why only the key industries, such as supplying water and energy, are under government's control), as well as that some parts of social inequality are related to physical issues, and thus it is impossible to reach a state of complete equality, at this point.

[Havensky]

Havensky is without question on the side of good. The nation's history of having their land wiped out by natural disasters and rebuilding have given it's people a strong sense of community. Skyans are passionate to a fault about letting people live free without interference from invasion or catastrophe.

Skyans have a bit of a noble streak to them.

[Secruss]

Secruss likes to see itself as "like the crusaders".

Read it as you will.

[The Eternal Swarm]

The Swarm is extremely good and benevolent, bringing the light and the glory of Chaos to all they meet, that false gods might be cast aside and idols be torn down in favor of real gods who only want whats best for mankind. Any and all opinions by others to the contrary are deemed religious heresy and/or simply the results of misinformed people being allowed to speak before they learn the truth. In many cases it is simply the complete lack of factual information.

After all, you did say, how the nation sees itself...

[Seculartopia]

What defines Good and Evil? The person, of course!

[Freepaxia]

good or evil is not for the nation to deside that is an external perspective. that being said, Freepsaxia is a land that places personal freedoms above nearly everything, however anybody caught breaking the few laws or otherwise interfering with the freedoms or greater good of their fellow Freepaxian will answer to the courts where justice is harsh, swift, and unbending

[Goias]

Goias believes in neutrality. Goians see their nation as fundamentally committed to doing the right thing (whatever that may be), but basically neutral when it comes to foreign affairs and not going around sticking their noses in anything without a damn good reason.

[Swilatia]

We don't really think Swilatia is good or evil... what are the definitions of good and evil anyway? It's all subjective really. You can decide for yourself if Swialtia is good or evil. If we had to pick ourselve, we'll say Swilatia is a neutral country.

[Fatatatutti]

... justice is harsh, swift, and unbending

So evil, eh?

[Tiesabre]

The Free Land of Tiesabre tends to consider itself a neutral state. We do our beath to keep our people happy, the air we breath clean and our land unspoiled. However, we have no qualms against going to war against other countries we believe have 'slighted' us and have been in numerous wars and conflicts because of this. And though we treat our people fairly, if convicted of a crime, our justice is swift, forceful and unforgiving.