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Apartheid Kamanga
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Postby Apartheid Kamanga » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:16 pm

We have no universal healthcare. The rich-poor divide is to the point when roughly 1/5 of our population can afford the best healthcare in the world if they so wish, and have private doctors. The other 4/5ths live in abject poverty for the most part....so hard cheese. The gene pool is much better off if they perish, anyhow.
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Alterrea
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Founded: Mar 18, 2011
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Postby Alterrea » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:19 pm

Of course. A free, compulsory, state-run Helthcare Service!
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New Freedomstan
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Postby New Freedomstan » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:19 pm

Of course. Part of the surplus value of our production is naturally spent on wide-spread and free healthcare.

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Asumbuoy
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Postby Asumbuoy » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:21 pm

The Government provides free healthcare for all those employed, part-time and full-time, and all those under 18. For all those unemployed, they can't give anything to the government, so the government gives nothing to them, apart from the social welfare.
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Postby Sebastianalandia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:21 pm

Yes, indeed we do. We have vowed to protect our people, and so we do.
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Mirabila
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Postby Mirabila » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:04 pm

If people pay their taxes and do not break any laws, then yes, they are entitled to government-provided healthcare. That is not to say they cannot pay for private treatment.

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Postby Amerikians » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:14 pm

No, the Healthcare System in the United States of Amerika is privatized, however most citizens have private insurance; those who cannot afford said insurance are supplied insurance by the Federal Government, which covers all the fields of medical, dental and visionary care but does not cover cosmetic operations where as private insurance may.
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Cycrusia
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Postby Cycrusia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:15 pm

No, everything about the Healthcare system is Privatized.

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Democratic Koyro
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:53 pm

the entire healthcare system is state-run and free for all, based on need and equality, ensuring quality. fair and equal treatment for all citizens of the People's Republic.
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Kenzai
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Postby Kenzai » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:25 pm

The healthcare system of Kenzai is divided into several levels:

First there is basic care: yearly checkups, over-the-counter medications, treatments for minor wounds and illnesses et cetera. This is, in theory, available to everyone. It is privatised, but the state covers full costs for those under a certain income level. Those who disparage the Kenzanii healthcare system refer to this as the "just enough to stop people dying in the streets" level.

Second there is advanced care: major operations and illnesses, rare medications et cetera. This is also privatised and the area most covered by insurance, due to the costs involved. The state covers only partial costs for advanced care; the lower classes of the highly stratified Kenzanii society remain well advised to seek medical insurance, therefore.

Third there is modern care, utilising the full range of advanced Kenzanii technologies. Nanosurgery, artificial organs, de-aging, genetic restructuring, whatever; the sky's the limit. Well, more accurately, how much you can afford to pay out of pocket is the limit, since insurance rarely covers modern care -- it's considered unnecessary. This realm is basically completely off limits to anyone making less than ten thousand kilocreds a year or thereabouts.

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Thartar
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Founded: Jun 10, 2011
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Postby Thartar » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:24 pm

Yes and we are pround to say no one will die from lack of money.You cannot put a price on lives.and thanks to SENS everyone is living into there 100s with a million now possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategies ... Senescence

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West-Dimonia
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Postby West-Dimonia » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:35 am

Misthurst wrote:
Izzyshipper wrote:Subjects also also pay for education they might not use, roads they may not drive on, benefits they may not claim. To expect every citizen to only pay what they recieve is ridiculous, and for the wealthy to get a tax break to prevent the poor from recieving healthcare is not something we do.


Nobody gets a tax break here, rich or otherwise, and nobody is punished for daring to be a success. Everybody pays 6% yearly. Let me quote a statement we made earlier, hmm?

Misthurst wrote:Most people in Misthurst quite enjoy the current system, whereby instead of being legally required to pay in taxes to support a mediocre "universal healthcare" scheme/scam, it is possible here to have access to first rate or nearly first rate service when you need it, because the government takes the absolute minimum needed, and otherwise leaves your paycheck alone.


Rather than force everybody to pay in to and use second-rate care just so we may feel like we're doing something, we let people keep enough of what they earn to be able to pay for first rate medical care. We may then use what money they permit us to have to provide those services which they can not reliably provide by themselves, as a government is meant to do.


Look, that's all fine and good if you earn enough to be able to afford proper healthcare, but some people just can't afford it. Not everyone is lucky enough to make that much money, even with your low tax rate. Should they just be left to die if they fall ill?

Secondly, if someone falls seriously ill outside of his own doing, should he have to pay the thousands of dollars it costs to keep him alive all by himself and become extremely poor as well? Not in a society with even the slightest bit of compassion, in my opinion.

Thirdly, universal healthcare is not 'mediocre'; because everyone pitches in, it gets a lot more money than private healthcare, and it doesn't operate out of the principle of making a profit. If private healthcare would be as good as universal healthcare, it would be too expensive for most of the population to be able to afford.
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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:48 am

West-Dimonia wrote:Look, that's all fine and good if you earn enough to be able to afford proper healthcare, but some people just can't afford it. Not everyone is lucky enough to make that much money, even with your low tax rate. Should they just be left to die if they fall ill?

No, their family, friends and charities take the brunt not the member of taxpayer who does not even know the said person.

Secondly, if someone falls seriously ill outside of his own doing, should he have to pay the thousands of dollars it costs to keep him alive all by himself and become extremely poor as well? Not in a society with even the slightest bit of compassion, in my opinion.

See above.

Thirdly, universal healthcare is not 'mediocre'; because everyone pitches in, it gets a lot more money than private healthcare, and it doesn't operate out of the principle of making a profit. If private healthcare would be as good as universal healthcare, it would be too expensive for most of the population to be able to afford.

If it is so good as you claim it to be, why not make it possible to opt out of the system? Clearly if universal healthcare is as good as you claim, people will go for that instead of private and private healthcare will collapse.
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Morrdh
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Postby Morrdh » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:49 am

West-Dimonia wrote:Thirdly, universal healthcare is not 'mediocre'; because everyone pitches in, it gets a lot more money than private healthcare, and it doesn't operate out of the principle of making a profit. If private healthcare would be as good as universal healthcare, it would be too expensive for most of the population to be able to afford.


The National Health Service here in Britain is rated highly, going by the Wikipedia quote;

A recent comparative analysis of health care systems put the NHS second in a study of seven rich countries.[97][98] The report put the UK health systems above those of Germany, Canada and the US; the NHS was deemed the most efficient among those health systems studied.
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Maraque
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Postby Maraque » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:51 am

Folks, unless this is IC (which it doesn't seem to be), it doesn't belong here.

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Sakhnin
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Founded: May 27, 2011
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Postby Sakhnin » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:51 am

Of course we do, does the phrase 'Democratic Socialists' mean nothing to you?

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Orlkjestad
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Postby Orlkjestad » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:54 am

Since everyone has the right to healthcare in our current constitution, we have nationalized healthcare. Which means all necessary treatments and physicals are free.
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Ravenvalles
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Postby Ravenvalles » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:06 am

Participating in a healthcare program is a personal choice, and as such, is not within the purview of government. There are many private healthcare insurers, and HMO's to choose from in Ravenvalles. Many employers still offer health plans, but as the economy and unemployment rates change coverage has a tendency to vary between companies and times. Most citizens pay for their own major medical insurance.
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Independent Atlantis
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Postby Independent Atlantis » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:03 pm

Yes. Preserving the welfare of the people, including their health, is the second priority of the state under the Atlantis Constitution, with national defense being the first.

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