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Terris Caelo
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Postby Terris Caelo » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:11 am

Munathanura wrote:
Terris Caelo wrote:This is the new Prototype SMG for My Nation. It is based offed the UZI SMG.

JZI-01

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Caliber: 9x19mm Parabellum
Action: Blowback
Overall length: 410 mm
Barrel length: 260 mm
Weight: 3.0 kg unloaded | 3.4 Kg Loaded
Magazines: 32-round box magazines
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per min
Effective range of fire: 200 meters
Sights: Integrated Red Dot sight

The JZI-01 is a sub-machine gun based off the designs of the Israeli UZI though it is completely remodeled and bears little resemblance to the UZI.

The JZI is a blow-back operated weapon which fires from a closed-bolt and is equipped with a separate striker and additional spring, unlike the open-bolt version of the UZI. The Closed-bolt design closes the breech end of the barrel, though it regressed the cooling during periods of continuous fire, The JZI is less susceptible to contamination from sand dirt ingress, a complete opposite of the UZI whose open-bolt is more susceptible to contamination from sand and dirt ingress. The JZI uses a telescoping bolt design, in which the bolt wraps around the breech end of the barrel. This would mean that most of the JZI's weight is located in front of the breech face. This allows the barrel to be moved far back into the receiver and the magazine to be housed in the pistol grip, allowing for a heavier, slower-firing bolt in a shorter, better-balanced weapon.

The receiver is made from stamped steel, with trigger unit and pistol grip pinned to its bottom at the center. The cocking handle is the integrated Red Dot Sights, located at the top of the receiver cover, and does not move when gun is fired allowing the Sights to be usable when fired. The magazine is housed within the pistol grip, allowing for intuitive and easy reloading in dark or difficult conditions. The JZI is fitted with manual safety /fire selector, located on the left side of the pistol grip, and the grip is fitted with a grip safety, making it difficult to fire the weapon accidentally. The protruding diagonal magazine makes the gun easier to fire when prone compared to the UZI's vertical magazine which is harder to fire when prone.

The JZI is fitted with a under folding metallic shoulder stock of a unique design made by the R&D Lab of Terris Caelo.


Two things:

1) I don't like the red dot sight being the charging handle. I know that it's non-reciprocating, but the idea just doesn't sit well with me, so I guess it's just a conflict of tastes.

2) How does the underfolding stock work? I could see it being side folding, but it doesn't look capable of under folding to me.


Oops, typo error, Was reading the AKs When i was typing this. Thanks for noticing.

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Munathanura
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Postby Munathanura » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:13 am

Terris Caelo wrote:
Munathanura wrote:Two things:

1) I don't like the red dot sight being the charging handle. I know that it's non-reciprocating, but the idea just doesn't sit well with me, so I guess it's just a conflict of tastes.

2) How does the underfolding stock work? I could see it being side folding, but it doesn't look capable of under folding to me.


Oops, typo error, Was reading the AKs When i was typing this. Thanks for noticing.


No problem :).
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Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
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Bonnaful
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Postby Bonnaful » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:15 am

Munathanura wrote:
Bonnaful wrote:it is supposed to b 2x I forgot to take out the 1 , could the 6.5 mm Grendel work with the weight.


Right, well, in that case the 2x scope is fine.

The Grendel could work, but the rifle would still be heavy for the weight (you'd be looking at it weighing 8.8 pounds loaded, even with the Grendel).

Ok, thank you for helping me with it, and what do you say would be a good weight for a rifle.

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Munathanura
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Postby Munathanura » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:18 am

Terris Caelo wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:@Terris 3kg unloaded sounds heavy to me for a light PDW-size SMG, a Colt Commando weighs less than that.


True, but the Designs is quite Bulky (As Noted Somewhere in this Thread) so Isn't it suppose to be somewhere about this weight or should I just change it?


Looking at the MPi 69 and Sa vz. 23, I'd say that you got the weight about right.
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Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
Tahar Joblis wrote:Your "heartfelt recommendation," i.e., baseless accusation of misogyny, is noted with all the respect that is due. Which corresponds to that due a $100 billion Zimbabwean banknote. :eyebrow:
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:19 am

Munathanura wrote:
Terris Caelo wrote:
True, but the Designs is quite Bulky (As Noted Somewhere in this Thread) so Isn't it suppose to be somewhere about this weight or should I just change it?


Looking at the MPi 69 and Sa vz. 23, I'd say that you got the weight about right.


^
depends on the materials used, remember.

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Argatha
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Postby Argatha » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:19 am

PWS Umbral
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Weight: 2.8 Kg
Length: 500 mm (Stock-less Variant)
Barrel Length: 310 mm
Cartridge: 5.45x39mm
Action: Gas Operated, Rotating Bolt
Rate of Fire: 750-900 rounds/min
Firing Modes: Semi-Automatic, Fully Automatic
Muzzle Velocity: 750 m/s
Feed System: 32 round detachable box magazine
Sights: Iron Sights
Nothing special just made it as this nation needed a new rifle, keep in mind it is designed for use by these stocky sub-terrain soldiers.

Quick question, what sort of bullet material should I use for maximum fragmentation and pyrophorism?
*braces for onslaught of criticism*

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Munathanura
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Postby Munathanura » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:22 am

Bonnaful wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
Right, well, in that case the 2x scope is fine.

The Grendel could work, but the rifle would still be heavy for the weight (you'd be looking at it weighing 8.8 pounds loaded, even with the Grendel).

Ok, thank you for helping me with it, and what do you say would be a good weight for a rifle.


No problems.

Weight wise, a rifle chambered in an intermediate calibre like the 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC would weigh about 8.8 pounds (~4 kg) loaded, while a rifle chambered in a smaller intermediate calibre (6mm SAW, 5.56 NATO) would probably end up around 3.5 kg loaded, assuming a construction that relies heavily on polymers.

Anemos Major wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
Looking at the MPi 69 and Sa vz. 23, I'd say that you got the weight about right.


^
depends on the materials used, remember.


True, but given the overall look of his smg, it looks like it should have a bit of weight to it.
Wamitoria wrote:
Caninope wrote:OMG, FBI does it's jobs and uses search warrants to recover stolen property. The world is ending.

Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
Tahar Joblis wrote:Your "heartfelt recommendation," i.e., baseless accusation of misogyny, is noted with all the respect that is due. Which corresponds to that due a $100 billion Zimbabwean banknote. :eyebrow:
My Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

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Imperial isa
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Postby Imperial isa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:47 am

Romeo Foxtrot, Shall we Dance...
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Gethi
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Postby Gethi » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:56 am

Argatha wrote:

Quick question, what sort of bullet material should I use for maximum fragmentation and pyrophorism?
*braces for onslaught of criticism*


I'm a little confused at your questioned, as max fragmentation would likely be achieved with small ( around 1in^2) metal pieces, while max pyrophoricity would be best accomplished by extremely fine powder/dust. Anyway here's what I think.

Take your pick of the metals, although bismuth would more likely be vaporized in the blast due to its low melting point. I'd pick a metal with some mass to help retain momentum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity

As for fragmentation, proper geometry when designing the fragmentation sleeve will allow most materials to fragment just as well as the next. You could use the standard WWII Mk 2 design with grooves everywhere (pineapple style), hell some air to air missiles essentially use one large loop of really thick wire (made of welded steel bars) like the AIM-9 as the primary kill mechanism.

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Gawdzendia
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Founded: Jan 17, 2010
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Postby Gawdzendia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:09 am

OH MY GOD THIS THREAD IS MOVING TOO QUICK FOR ME. :blink:

Reformed York wrote:I just realized... I may be, in the future, referred to as "The Coilgun Guy." I'm okay with this.


That's not exactly a bad thing mate. :P

EDIT: Yeah! Page 41! Whooo...?
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NATIONSTATES STATS USED IN THEIR ENTIRETY
GOVERNANCE: Chamber of Estates / Presidential Council
GOVERNMENT: Citizen Republic
President: Alexander Christensen

CAPITAL: Adonia City
OFFICIAL LANGUAGES: German, French, English
CURRENCY: Gawdzendian Dollar (GZD)

GENERAL AWARENESS & WEAPON DEPLOYMENT CONDITION
1 - PEACETIME
2 - HEIGHTENED AWARENESS
3 - EARLY MOBILIZATION
4 - MOBILIZATION
5 - SYMMETRICAL WARFARE
6 - NUCLEAR WARFARE
| <<~~ About Gawdzendia ~~>> |
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:18 am

Damn right whoo, you've hit reply #1000.
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Gawdzendia
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Postby Gawdzendia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:20 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Damn right whoo, you've hit reply #1000.
LET'S HAVE A SEXY PARTY


THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IMPORTANT THAT PAGE #41!
...How the hell do you check post number. :meh:
NATIONSTATES STATS USED IN THEIR ENTIRETY
GOVERNANCE: Chamber of Estates / Presidential Council
GOVERNMENT: Citizen Republic
President: Alexander Christensen

CAPITAL: Adonia City
OFFICIAL LANGUAGES: German, French, English
CURRENCY: Gawdzendian Dollar (GZD)

GENERAL AWARENESS & WEAPON DEPLOYMENT CONDITION
1 - PEACETIME
2 - HEIGHTENED AWARENESS
3 - EARLY MOBILIZATION
4 - MOBILIZATION
5 - SYMMETRICAL WARFARE
6 - NUCLEAR WARFARE
| <<~~ About Gawdzendia ~~>> |
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Arlavoreen
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Postby Arlavoreen » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:25 am

Z Weapon: can't taste !^^ secret

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Argatha
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Postby Argatha » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:40 am

Gethi wrote:
I'm a little confused at your questioned, as max fragmentation would likely be achieved with small ( around 1in^2) metal pieces, while max pyrophoricity would be best accomplished by extremely fine powder/dust. Anyway here's what I think.


Asking as this nation is for the most part cave dwelling and having bullets that spark and fragment of cave walls could be beneficial.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:41 am

Gawdzendia wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Damn right whoo, you've hit reply #1000.
LET'S HAVE A SEXY PARTY


THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IMPORTANT THAT PAGE #41!
...How the hell do you check post number. :meh:

Number at the top of the page -1 (it includes the OP), or look at the thread in 'view your posts' and it tells number of replies. Or, just 40*25 (25 posts to a page)
Sapphire's WA Regional Delegate.
Call me Para.
In IC, I am to be referred to as The People's Republic of Samozniy Russia
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^ trufax
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Independents Systems
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Postby Independents Systems » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:04 am

this is my nation main weapon:
The G-46 mark-I
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The G-46 mark-II
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The G-46 mark-III
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AK-79
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those are the assasult rifle now the submachine gun
the multi attachment LRS-69
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Carabiner 89
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:21 am

More of Immoren's main weapons
M62
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PKM
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NSV
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Dragunov
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M85
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TRG-42
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M82
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Glock 17
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MP5
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Terris Caelo
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Postby Terris Caelo » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:22 am

This is a new Sniper Rifle that I am working on, I'm really not proud of the Design so please give me some feedback about it. I was thinking that this should work as a Semi-Auto based off the SVD.
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:30 am

Terris Caelo wrote:This is a new Sniper Rifle that I am working on, I'm really not proud of the Design so please give me some feedback about it. I was thinking that this should work as a Semi-Auto based off the SVD.

I must point out that SVD is not sniper rifle. It is squad/platoon support weapon meant to give point fire at distances beyond assault rifles of squad. Also your magazine looks too short. :)
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:33 am

Immoren wrote:I must point out that SVD is not sniper rifle. It is squad/platoon support weapon meant to give point fire at distances beyond assault rifles of squad. Also your magazine looks too short. :)


M110 SASR; semi-automatic can into dedicated sniper rifle.

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k337/Knight_of_Zero/SASR338.png

I think this was my third piece of lineart of something like that. It's an SASR.

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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:39 am

Currently working on an AR3R1 derived GPMG to fill in a gaping hole in my roster of small arms.

I'll get as many writeups done between today and Sunday (apologies to those waiting for them). I believe I have four to do including the GPMG.

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Postby Galla- » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:40 am

SASS is also direct gas. You don't have a large piston throwing your receiver weights out of whack like you would with an SVD, which is short-stroke iirc. SASS is going to be slightly more accurate at range due to the DI system, and features a better round to boot. We're also looking at free floated barrels like the SR-25, and I think a heavy bull barrel for even better accuracy.

The SASS was designed from the bottom up to be a dedicated sniper's rifle. Snipers with ghille suits.

SVD was designed to be a squad marksman's rifle, like the M-14 Enhanced Battle Rifle, and made primarily to engage targets from longer range than an AKM, with better accuracy than a PKM. It can be used as a sniper rifle, but outside 500m, you're not getting hardcore accuracy.

I wouldn't recommend anything more than a 6x on an SVD myself, about 300-400 meters if you have good eyesight and are willing to squint hard like a motherfucker. 8x if you want to be expensive.

I'd put a SASS squarely in around 20x, or roughly 600 meters.

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Postby Senestrum » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:57 am

8x sight? Expensive?

Fuck that, imma do a 2-16x autofocusing zoom sight with an integrated laser rangefinder. Oh, and just to be pointlessly excessive it has a CCD and electronic viewfinder too. Helmet-mounted display optional.
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Postby Galla- » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:59 am

Senestrum wrote:8x sight? Expensive?

Fuck that, imma do a 2-16x autofocusing zoom sight with an integrated laser rangefinder. Oh, and just to be pointlessly excessive it has a CCD and electronic viewfinder too. Helmet-mounted display optional.


This is the SVD we're talking about, though. |:

2.5-16x sight with passive IR detection for tracing IR lasers and infrared lamps, and a belt mounted battery pack for the semi-active night vision intensifier. Make sure it is fish-eye distorted and blurry as fuck. Paint the rifle kelp green and wheat yellow with prairie grass hanging off it. That's expensive.

Sorry, I'm stuck in the 1970s.
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Terris Caelo
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Terris Caelo » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:02 am

Immoren wrote:
Terris Caelo wrote:This is a new Sniper Rifle that I am working on, I'm really not proud of the Design so please give me some feedback about it. I was thinking that this should work as a Semi-Auto based off the SVD.

I must point out that SVD is not sniper rifle. It is squad/platoon support weapon meant to give point fire at distances beyond assault rifles of squad. Also your magazine looks too short. :)


Hmm, Since the magazine the magazine is too short I will have it model after the Barrett M82 (From What I can see, Their Magazine is Quite small as well).

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