Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. IV) The Proper Un

[Mosasauria]

By Jove, I've got it! Here's the basic outline of Mosasauria's/Smrtna Kazna's(Which I have decided to be late 1800s ancestors of those who founded Mosasauria) weapon manufacturing:
The primary arms manufacturer of Mosasauria and Smrtna Kazna is ARI, or Ajkula Ruke Industrije(This will not be the only one, however).
All rifles, carbines, machine guns(LMG, HMG, GPMG, and SMG), and PDWs used by the militaries of these countries are to be designated with the title of I(Izdanje-Edition), followed by a number that serves as the designation.
Common or industrial designations are accepted and recognized, but the weapons are to be referred by their designation.

For example, the ARI I-5 Rifle, can also be referred to as the M-21 rifle(ARI designation) or the BPB(Bitka Puska Bajivic-Bajivic's battle rifle, Bajivic being the surname of the chief designer who worked on and designed the weapon in ARI).

This means I now know how and what to name my creations! Woo-fucking-hoo!
I-1 Rifle/ARI M-2 'Ubiitsa', Main weapon of Smrtna Kazna
I-5 MG/ARI P-8 'RPK', LMG to be used by Mosasauria
I-7 Carbine Assault Rifle/ARI M-20, bullpup assault rifle to be used by Mosasauria
ARI BG-11 'Zvecarka', standalone grenade launcher used by Mosasauria, but without usual military designation
ARI S-8 'Phantom', prototype sniper rifle being tested by Mosasauria

Any comments and opinions on the structure/system of naming or the weapons I've designed are greatly appreciated.

[Mosasauria]

*Sigh*
At least switch to the AKM; it is cheaper to produce, lighter, has better accuracy, and is just generally a better rifle. That's if you want to keep it AK. For weapons using 7.62x39mm, I would suggest either the TKB-517 or Type 81 as a service rifle and TKB-022 as a carbine. There are loads of others that give you much better performance than the AKM (and, therefore, the AK-47). However, of course, it's your choice.

Okay, then I'll stick to the AKM and the Type 81 as service rifles, the TKB-022 as the carbine for the Elite troops, and the AK-47 as a ceremonial and milita weapon. Maybe your right with that!

http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pi ... 167042.jpg
Here's the weapon the Elite forces use!!

I have never seen such a unique weapon.
Except for the Thorneycroft.

[Indeos]

The elite?

It's a robust weapon with minimum length, maximum barrel length, enough comfortability and reliability to ensure that it can fire in worse conditions.

I can't see the problem.

And I never saw that picture of the TKB-022 before, so thanks.

Though Galla defends that nobody knows how the TKB-022 works, I believe someone around here posted a Post from an InvisionFree NS Weapon Forum that actually explained how the goddamn TKB-022 worked.

And horrid weapon balance that IIRC will lead to larger barrel rise, especially on full-auto. Pretty sure that post was theoretical and unconfirmed, too.

[Ea90]

Pretty sure that post was theoretical and unconfirmed, too.

IIRC Sumer was quite sure about it.

[Indeos]

Pretty sure that post was theoretical and unconfirmed, too.

IIRC Sumer was quite sure about it.

I think even his faith in it was purely theoretical, as in "that could work and would fit" not "that's how they did it". So it may not have been the operating system. Then again, it's been ages since I read that discussion.

[Senestrum]

IIRC Sumer was quite sure about it.

I think even his faith in it was purely theoretical, as in "that could work and would fit" not "that's how they did it". So it may not have been the operating system. Then again, it's been ages since I read that discussion.

The mechanism has been published in several defense journals, which is what Sumer was drawing it from. It also fits textual descriptions of the action perfectly.

[Indeos]

I think even his faith in it was purely theoretical, as in "that could work and would fit" not "that's how they did it". So it may not have been the operating system. Then again, it's been ages since I read that discussion.

The mechanism has been published in several defense journals, which is what Sumer was drawing it from. It also fits textual descriptions of the action perfectly.

Alright then. I must be thinking of something else entirely.

[Anemos Major]

It's a robust weapon with minimum length, maximum barrel length, enough comfortability and reliability to ensure that it can fire in worse conditions.

All this is based on assumption. IRL, I don't think we know about the performance characteristics of the TKB-022.

[Galla-]

The elite?

It's a robust weapon with minimum length, maximum barrel length, enough comfortability and reliability to ensure that it can fire in worse conditions.

I can't see the problem.

And I never saw that picture of the TKB-022 before, so thanks.

Though Galla defends that nobody knows how the TKB-022 works, I believe someone around here posted a Post from an InvisionFree NS Weapon Forum that actually explained how the goddamn TKB-022 worked.

?

IIRC Sumer was quite sure about it.

I think even his faith in it was purely theoretical, as in "that could work and would fit" not "that's how they did it". So it may not have been the operating system. Then again, it's been ages since I read that discussion.

Did you see the part where he said he saw it published in a Russian defence journal in the mid-90's?

Or did you gloss over that bit of the thread?

[Munathanura]

It's a robust weapon with minimum length, maximum barrel length, enough comfortability and reliability to ensure that it can fire in worse conditions.

All this is based on assumption. IRL, I don't think we know about the performance characteristics of the TKB-022.

From my understanding of Sumer's post, the defence journals mentioned at some point that it was very reliable and easy to make and maintain.

[Indeos]

It's a robust weapon with minimum length, maximum barrel length, enough comfortability and reliability to ensure that it can fire in worse conditions.

I can't see the problem.

And I never saw that picture of the TKB-022 before, so thanks.

Though Galla defends that nobody knows how the TKB-022 works, I believe someone around here posted a Post from an InvisionFree NS Weapon Forum that actually explained how the goddamn TKB-022 worked.

?

I think even his faith in it was purely theoretical, as in "that could work and would fit" not "that's how they did it". So it may not have been the operating system. Then again, it's been ages since I read that discussion.

Did you see the part where he said he saw it published in a Russian defence journal in the mid-90's?

Or did you gloss over that bit of the thread?

Like I said, it's been ages since I read the discussion. I think it unreasonable to expect that I'd remember every detail like that, especially since I wasn't directly involved with the discussion and have never really been that interested in the TKB-022.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The mechanism has been published in several defense journals, which is what Sumer was drawing it from. It also fits textual descriptions of the action perfectly.

Alright then. I must be thinking of something else entirely.

You might have stopped reading at the first page, where Purpelia was drawing a diagram based upon farrily vaGUE descriptions gtiven by members until Symer chimed in with more detailed description and rough pencil digram, most up-to-date drawin is somewhere second page.
Apparently published in ">3" western defence journals and several Russian defence journals.

Very sorry for poor post quality, very vey very very very drunk.

It's a robust weapon with minimum length, maximum barrel length, enough comfortability and reliability to ensure that it can fire in worse conditions.

All this is based on assumption. IRL, I don't think we know about the performance characteristics of the TKB-022.

Performance, not really. It was never accepted for service after all, and they chose tghe AKM over the TKB-022.
It was a 7.62x39mm weapon with a very long barrel for its length, longer than most bullpups of the time and longert than even contemporary bullpups.

However, it was rejected partly for its odd layout, but paertly because no-one knew in the 50s how duravle plasticv was, and whether or not it would hold up to either storage, extremes of temperature, or even combat use.
If you were to build the TBK-022 from straight blueprints and jusyt replace the polymers in the blkueprint with modern polymers, it would be just fine ofc.

[Indeos]

Alright then. I must be thinking of something else entirely.

You might have stopped reading at the first page, where Purpelia was drawing a diagram based upon farrily vaGUE descriptions gtiven by members until Symer chimed in with more detailed description and rough pencil digram, most up-to-date drawin is somewhere second page.
Apparently published in ">3" western defence journals and several Russian defence journals.

Very sorry for poor post quality, very vey very very very drunk.

I probably didn't see anything past the first page because I didn't know there were any more pages.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

You might have stopped reading at the first page, where Purpelia was drawing a diagram based upon farrily vaGUE descriptions gtiven by members until Symer chimed in with more detailed description and rough pencil digram, most up-to-date drawin is somewhere second page.
Apparently published in ">3" western defence journals and several Russian defence journals.

Very sorry for poor post quality, very vey very very very drunk.

I probably didn't see anything past the first page because I didn't know there were any more pages.

In fairnress, there were only 2 pages total irrc

[Anemos Major]

However, it was rejected partly for its odd layout, but paertly because no-one knew in the 50s how duravle plasticv was, and whether or not it would hold up to either storage, extremes of temperature, or even combat use.
If you were to build the TBK-022 from straight blueprints and jusyt replace the polymers in the blkueprint with modern polymers, it would be just fine ofc.

No, I mean internally. It utilizes a rather odd internal layout, and we don't really have information beyond word of mouth; there are no hard figures from testing. As such, saying that it was 'reliable' is an assumption.

[Munathanura]

However, it was rejected partly for its odd layout, but paertly because no-one knew in the 50s how duravle plasticv was, and whether or not it would hold up to either storage, extremes of temperature, or even combat use.
If you were to build the TBK-022 from straight blueprints and jusyt replace the polymers in the blkueprint with modern polymers, it would be just fine ofc.

No, I mean internally. It utilizes a rather odd internal layout, and we don't really have information beyond word of mouth; there are no hard figures from testing. As such, saying that it was 'reliable' is an assumption.

The way I read Sumer's post, the defence journals that he read said/suggested that it was quite a reliable weapon.

[Anemos Major]

The way I read Sumer's post, the defence journals that he read said/suggested that it was quite a reliable weapon.

On what basis? I'm not disputing the fact that the defence journals said it, I'm just wondering where they got their evidence from.

[Munathanura]

The way I read Sumer's post, the defence journals that he read said/suggested that it was quite a reliable weapon.

On what basis? I'm not disputing the fact that the defence journals said it, I'm just wondering where they got their evidence from.

Well, the Russian journal probably got its data from state sources or from people who worked on the project or helped test it. I'm not sure if the Western journals got their information from the Russian journal or if they managed to find sources of their own, but either option is a possibility.

[Pridwen]

The way I read Sumer's post, the defence journals that he read said/suggested that it was quite a reliable weapon.

On what basis? I'm not disputing the fact that the defence journals said it, I'm just wondering where they got their evidence from.

I would imagine they cited test results for that, but don't take my word as fact.

[Dostanuot Loj]

The way I read Sumer's post, the defence journals that he read said/suggested that it was quite a reliable weapon.

On what basis? I'm not disputing the fact that the defence journals said it, I'm just wondering where they got their evidence from.

One was tested for a French Journal in the early 1990s. I don't remember the name of the journal, and my French sucks. But it has made its rounds (Last time I saw it was out of the ADF Journal in '97). We (As in people who actually read this stuff) know how it works. It's not, nor ever has been a mystery, this is just a myth people perpetuate who don't do the research.

That said, pretty much all Korobov projects were killed for political reasons, or a combination of political and manufacturing reasons. The TKB-022 is supposed to be a great gun, no issues. But producing an AK in a different caliber is easier then a new gun, and combine that with major invested political interests in the production of AK systems, and it wins hands down. Before that (I love the TKB-408), it was just unreasonable to produce in the needs of the time, and too radical for the rapidly-evolving Red Army.

[Sabatina]

The Royal Sabatinan Army is equipped with the Pindad SS2-V1.

[Mosasauria]

The Royal Sabatinan Army is equipped with the Pindad SS2-V1.
(Image)

Why not just use an M16A2?

[Risen Britannia]

[Fischermann]

The Royal Sabatinan Army is equipped with the Pindad SS2-V1.
(Image)

Why not just use an M16A2?

Folding stock - more relaibility.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The Royal Sabatinan Army is equipped with the Pindad SS2-V1.
(Image)

Why not just use an M16A2?

The long-stroke gas piston offers greater reliability and ease of cleaning, and reduces chance of stoppages.
It does however increase recoil, weight and (logically) reduce RoF.