Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. IV) The Proper Un

[Munathanura]

IIRC it was mostly an excuse so they could have the weapon it's based off of, because they wanted to replace M4s or M16s or w/e. They weren't actually going to issue it as an LSW when I first heard about it.

Unfortunately now they are now replacing a good few of the M249s with the M27. Only 9 M249s will be issued per company, and it doesn't look like the rumoured 150 round drums are going to be officially accepted into service just yet. Even then, I have to wonder about those. They're not exactly compact, which at least the C-Mag is.

I'd tend to disagree. At the minimum, I'd like to see it issued with a Magpul/Surefire style coffin quad stack mag (two separate columns with their own spring) or a polymer version of the Ultimax drum mag. A modern LSW should be able to lay down a good deal more suppressing fire than a standard rifle, in my opinion.

'tis in jest.

30 rounds mags aren't enough, no. But with high capacity magazines, it's a highly viable and logistically sensible idea to have a modular weapons family.

(I want to see the JGSDF replace the Howa Type 89 with some lulzy modular weapons system, gah)

Ah, I see. I'm not so good at picking up jokes over the internet .

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Anyway, back on topic, what do people think about the USMCs partial replacement of the M249 with the M27 IAR? Do LSW/IARs with 30 round magazines have any place on the modern battlefield?

It's a LSW, not a SAW. IIRC, there is a difference. The LSW is optimised for multiple roles, the SAW is built solely to be a bullet hose.

Look at the L86 LSW from the SA80 programme. It was so accurate, they stopped using it as a SAW-type weapon and began fielding it as a DMR.
Equip US forces with L86s, they're so underloved. Me and Crookfur both made SA80 ripoffs with an L86-type LSW in them xD
His looked like an SA80, mine just had an SA80's stats and systems.

[Indeos]

Anyway, back on topic, what do people think about the USMCs partial replacement of the M249 with the M27 IAR? Do LSW/IARs with 30 round magazines have any place on the modern battlefield?

It's a LSW, not a SAW. IIRC, there is a difference. The LSW is optimised for multiple roles, the SAW is built solely to be a bullet hose.

Look at the L86 LSW from the SA80 programme. It was so accurate, they stopped using it as a SAW-type weapon and began fielding it as a DMR.
Equip US forces with L86s, they're so underloved. Me and Crookfur both made SA80 ripoffs with an L86-type LSW in them xD
His looked like an SA80, mine just had an SA80's stats and systems.

You know what's underloved? Sideloaders, horse-mounted dragoons, and C96-style pistols.

[Galla-]

Anyway, back on topic, what do people think about the USMCs partial replacement of the M249 with the M27 IAR? Do LSW/IARs with 30 round magazines have any place on the modern battlefield?

It's a LSW, not a SAW. IIRC, there is a difference. The LSW is optimised for multiple roles, the SAW is built solely to be a bullet hose.

Look at the L86 LSW from the SA80 programme. It was so accurate, they stopped using it as a SAW-type weapon and began fielding it as a DMR.
Equip US forces with L86s, they're so underloved. Me and Crookfur both made SA80 ripoffs with an L86-type LSW in them xD
His looked like an SA80, mine just had an SA80's stats and systems.

SA80s are accurate when they aren't clogged with specks of dust numbering in the single digits.

You know what's underloved? 9x90mm breechloaders.

[Munathanura]

Anyway, back on topic, what do people think about the USMCs partial replacement of the M249 with the M27 IAR? Do LSW/IARs with 30 round magazines have any place on the modern battlefield?

It's a LSW, not a SAW. IIRC, there is a difference. The LSW is optimised for multiple roles, the SAW is built solely to be a bullet hose.

Look at the L86 LSW from the SA80 programme. It was so accurate, they stopped using it as a SAW-type weapon and began fielding it as a DMR.
Equip US forces with L86s, they're so underloved. Me and Crookfur both made SA80 ripoffs with an L86-type LSW in them xD
His looked like an SA80, mine just had an SA80's stats and systems.

The L86 LSW works great as a DMR, but not so well as a LMG, which is what it was initially intended to be. To my eyes, a rifle based LMG/LSW (I view the two words as interchangeable) should at least have an extended magazine and be capable of a greater rate of fire than the standard rifle variant. Otherwise it's just another rifle and you're lacking in firepower.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

It's a LSW, not a SAW. IIRC, there is a difference. The LSW is optimised for multiple roles, the SAW is built solely to be a bullet hose.

Look at the L86 LSW from the SA80 programme. It was so accurate, they stopped using it as a SAW-type weapon and began fielding it as a DMR.
Equip US forces with L86s, they're so underloved. Me and Crookfur both made SA80 ripoffs with an L86-type LSW in them xD
His looked like an SA80, mine just had an SA80's stats and systems.

You know what's underloved? Sideloaders, horse-mounted dragoons, and C96-style pistols.

I don't see why the SA80 is so underloved.
It's a rifle system that was so accurate, the British Army had to redesign their marksmanship tests. Is that not boss?
Plus, it's got a mainline rifle, a Carbine rifle (from which my Carbine Super/Ultrashort are based off of) and a SAW-type weapon (which my SAW/DMR variants are based off of) as the same basic rifle design. Meaning that the three most crucial roles of the average infantry unit are filled, by a lightweight, short, and insanely accurate platform.

I'm fiercely defensive of my once-glorious nation's fantastic service rifle.

[Indeos]

You know what's underloved? Sideloaders, horse-mounted dragoons, and C96-style pistols.

I don't see why the SA80 is so underloved.
It's a rifle system that was so accurate, the British Army had to redesign their marksmanship tests. Is that not boss?
Plus, it's got a mainline rifle, a Carbine rifle (from which my Carbine Super/Ultrashort are based off of) and a SAW-type weapon (which my SAW/DMR variants are based off of) as the same basic rifle design. Meaning that the three most crucial roles of the average infantry unit are filled, by a lightweight, short, and insanely accurate platform.

I'm fiercely defensive of my once-glorious nation's fantastic service rifle.

Cause it's ugly as fuck and for unknown reasons they chose an awkward green. I just hate what it looks like.

[Southern European Union]

Assault Rifle: FN SCAR-L Carbine
Battle Rifle: FN SCAR-H 7.62×39mm Barrel Replacement
Urban Combat: CornerShot
Side Arm: Glock 17 Pistol
Submachine Gun: MP5 Internal Suppressor
Designated Marksman Rifle: XM29 OICW
Sniper Rifle: CheyTac Intervention Sniper System
Anti-Tank: M72 LAW
Grenade Launcher: M203 grenade launcher
Fragmentation Grenade: M67 grenade
Non-Lethal Grenade: M84 Stun

[Kelwona]

The Kelwonan Army currently utilizes the G9 Battle Rifle as their primary weapon. The G9 was adopted last year when the soldiers of the 5th Special Operations Brigade requested a rifle that fired the larger 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge to better penetrate the body armor which they where finding on some well equipped enemies which the 5.56x45mm NATO round of their M16A3s could not penetrate. It was designed the previous year in 2008 for the 5th Special Operations Brigade but several generals agreed with the reasons the special forces had adopted the G9 so it went into full scale production to equip the entire Army.

Weight: 4.5 kg
Length: 883 mm (Stock Unfolded)
Barrel Length: 508 mm
Cartridge: 7.62x51mm NATO
Action: Short-Stroke Gas Piston, rotating bolt
Rate of Fire: 600 rounds/min
Firing Modes: Semi-Automatic, Fully Automatic
Muzzle Velocity: 800 m/s
Feed System: 20 round detachable box magazine
Sights: rear accessory diopter with front flip-up sight fitted standard.

[Indeos]

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The Kelwonan Army currently utilizes the G9 Battle Rifle as their primary weapon. The G9 was adopted last year when the soldiers of the 5th Special Operations Brigade requested a rifle that fired the larger 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge to better penetrate the body armor which they where finding on some well equipped enemies which the 5.56x45mm NATO round of their M16A3s could not penetrate. It was designed the previous year in 2008 for the 5th Special Operations Brigade but several generals agreed with the reasons the special forces had adopted the G9 so it went into full scale production to equip the entire Army.

b]Weight:[/b] 4.5 kg
Length: 883 mm (Stock Collapsed), 1007 (Stock Fully Extended)
Barrel Length: 508 mm
Cartridge: 7.62x51mm NATO
Action: Short-Stroke Gas Piston, rotating bolt
Rate of Fire: 600 rounds/min
Firing Modes: Semi-Automatic, Fully Automatic
Muzzle Velocity: 800 m/s
Feed System: 20 round detachable box magazine
Sights: rear accessory diopter with front flip-up sight fitted standard.

I don't think that's an adjustable stock.

[Fischermann]

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The Kelwonan Army currently utilizes the G9 Battle Rifle as their primary weapon. The G9 was adopted last year when the soldiers of the 5th Special Operations Brigade requested a rifle that fired the larger 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge to better penetrate the body armor which they where finding on some well equipped enemies which the 5.56x45mm NATO round of their M16A3s could not penetrate. It was designed the previous year in 2008 for the 5th Special Operations Brigade but several generals agreed with the reasons the special forces had adopted the G9 so it went into full scale production to equip the entire Army.

b]Weight:[/b] 4.5 kg
Length: 883 mm (Stock Unfolded)
Barrel Length: 508 mm
Cartridge: 7.62x51mm NATO
Action: Short-Stroke Gas Piston, rotating bolt
Rate of Fire: 600 rounds/min
Firing Modes: Semi-Automatic, Fully Automatic
Muzzle Velocity: 800 m/s
Feed System: 20 round detachable box magazine
Sights: rear accessory diopter with front flip-up sight fitted standard.

Why not doublestack the rounds? This way it'll get 10 rounds or something.

Also, nice weapon. Pretty simple, not crowded with bulging layering issues. I like it.

I don't think that's an adjustable stock.

It is the ACR Folding Stock in PMG, so it's normal for him to say.

I'm not sure about real life though.

[Munathanura]

Assault Rifle: FN SCAR-L Carbine

Assuming you mean the standard length SCAR-L, the barrel is going to be too short for the 5.56 NATO to effectively fragment out past 100 metres, and the accuracy will be affected. I'd suggest that you use the longer barrel, but you can get away with the shorter barrel. It just won't be optimal.

Battle Rifle: FN SCAR-H 7.62×39mm Barrel Replacement

You've made a really bad choice here. First off, the 7.62x39mm isn't a battle rifle round, it's an assault rifle round and, secondly, what purpose do your battle rifles fill? You've already got an assault rifle, so why do you need a battle rifle? Does one branch of your military only issue the SCAR-L while the other issues the SCAR-H, or is there another reason?

Urban Combat: CornerShot

The CornerShot is over rated and, outside of a few specialist teams, not worth issuing for urban combat. You can replace it with a satchel of grenades and your troops will be more effective and have greater survivability.

Side Arm: Glock 17 Pistol

Not a bad choice at all. Glocks might not be battle tested IRL (so far as I know), but they're definitely known for standing up to abuse, so you're all set.

Submachine Gun: MP5 Internal Suppressor

Unless the users of your smg are CT/Spec Ops, I'd drop the integral suppressor. In fact, I'd suggest dropping the smg altogether outside of those roles, unless you intend it for pilots and tankers. Even then, a short barrelled rifle will be more useful.

Designated Marksman Rifle: XM29 OICW

No. Just...No. The KE component of the OICW only has a 10 inch barrel, far to short for it to work at any decent range, and the HE component moves too slowly and has too high a ballistic arc for it to be acceptable. Factor in the weight and size of the system and it quickly becomes impractical to issue at all. You'd be much better off using an accurised SCAR-L or SCAR-H with a 24 inch barrel and a good optic.

Sniper Rifle: CheyTac Intervention Sniper System

I don't know enough about the CheyTac, but if your only source of information on it is from the Discovery Channel of MW2, then you should replace it with a more conventional rifle. If not and you know it from elsewhere and understand the whole system, then that's fine.

Anti-Tank: M72 LAW

I assume that you're referring to a squad-level AT weapon, in which case the LAW is an excellent choice. However, an ATGM or larger rocket launcher, such as the RPG-30, is better if you want a dedicated tank killer.

Grenade Launcher: M203 grenade launcher

There's nothing wrong with the ol' M203 .

Fragmentation Grenade: M67 grenade

Another good choice.

Non-Lethal Grenade: M84 Stun

Ditto on this one.

[Bonnaful]

This is my newer model of my LPHV seriesoff the last thread that got lock. Please pick out any flaws with it.
LPHV 79 A
Service- 2005-present

Designer- LPHV Arms Factory (Lane Potter& Hugo Vouch Arms)

Variants- LPHV 78 B (last verison), LPHV 79 C (civilian verison), LPHV 81 P (improved special forces verison)

Weight-7 lb (empty), 8.5 lb (fully loaded)

Length- 39.7 in

Barrel length- 19 inches

Cartridge- 6.5mm Gendel

Action-Gas-operated, rotating bolt

Rate of fire- 700 RPM

Effective range-575m

Max Range- 1250 m

Sights- 1 2x telescopic sight with back up iron sights

[Samozaryadnyastan]

To have an effective range of 575m, you'd need a really large bullet. Snipers, in the US military at least, are defined as engaged at 600m+, so you'd need either some kind of .308/.338 or the 7.62x51mm NATO.
A standard assault rifle is optimised for combat at 300m or so (typically less), so the 'standard' cartridge would be 5.56x45mm NATO, but it's underpowered, so 6.8x43mm SPC.

[Terris Caelo]

This is the new Prototype SMG for My Nation. It is based offed the UZI SMG.

JZI-01



Caliber: 9x19mm Parabellum
Action: Blowback
Overall length: 410 mm
Barrel length: 260 mm
Weight: 3.0 kg unloaded | 3.4 Kg Loaded
Magazines: 32-round box magazines
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per min
Effective range of fire: 200 meters
Sights: Integrated Red Dot sight

The JZI-01 is a sub-machine gun based off the designs of the Israeli UZI though it is completely remodeled and bears little resemblance to the UZI.

The JZI is a blow-back operated weapon which fires from a closed-bolt and is equipped with a separate striker and additional spring, unlike the open-bolt version of the UZI. The Closed-bolt design closes the breech end of the barrel, though it regressed the cooling during periods of continuous fire, The JZI is less susceptible to contamination from sand dirt ingress, a complete opposite of the UZI whose open-bolt is more susceptible to contamination from sand and dirt ingress. The JZI uses a telescoping bolt design, in which the bolt wraps around the breech end of the barrel. This would mean that most of the JZI's weight is located in front of the breech face. This allows the barrel to be moved far back into the receiver and the magazine to be housed in the pistol grip, allowing for a heavier, slower-firing bolt in a shorter, better-balanced weapon.

The receiver is made from stamped steel, with trigger unit and pistol grip pinned to its bottom at the center. The cocking handle is the integrated Red Dot Sights, located at the top of the receiver cover, and does not move when gun is fired allowing the Sights to be usable when fired. The magazine is housed within the pistol grip, allowing for intuitive and easy reloading in dark or difficult conditions. The JZI is fitted with manual safety /fire selector, located on the left side of the pistol grip, and the grip is fitted with a grip safety, making it difficult to fire the weapon accidentally. The protruding diagonal magazine makes the gun easier to fire when prone compared to the UZI's vertical magazine which is harder to fire when prone.

The JZI is fitted with a side folding metallic shoulder stock of a unique design made by the R&D Lab of Terris Caelo.

[Reformed York]

Bitch please

EDIT: Also, note the insanely thick barrel, largely due to the fact that it heats up.

[Munathanura]

This is my newer model of my LPHV seriesoff the last thread that got lock. Please pick out any flaws with it.
LPHV 79 A
Service- 2005-present

Designer- LPHV Arms Factory (Lane Potter& Hugo Vouch Arms)

Variants- LPHV 78 B (last verison), LPHV 79 C (civilian verison), LPHV 81 P (improved special forces verison)

Weight-8.8 lb (empty), 9.5 lb (fully loaded)

Length- 39.7 in

Barrel length- 19 inches

Cartridge- Any suggestions on what it should be

Action-Gas-operated, rotating bolt

Rate of fire- 700 RPM

Effective range-575m

Max Range- 1250 m

Sights- 1 2x telescopic sight with back up iron sights

Given the weight of the rifle, I'd suggest that you use either a full powered round, like the 7.62 NATO, or a relatively high powered intermediate round, like the 7x46mm UIAC (130gr @ 2650ft/s). That said, looking at the stats, it looks like an assault rifle as opposed to a DMR or a sniper rifle, so I'd remove the "max range" stat, and get rid of the 12x telescopic sight.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

@Terris 3kg unloaded sounds heavy to me for a light PDW-size SMG, a Colt Commando weighs less than that.

[Galla-]

7.92x24mm VBR-Belgium for cartridge.

[Bonnaful]

it is supposed to b 2x I forgot to take out the 1 , could the 6.5 mm Grendel work with the weight.

[Terris Caelo]

@Terris 3kg unloaded sounds heavy to me for a light PDW-size SMG, a Colt Commando weighs less than that.

True, but the Designs is quite Bulky (As Noted Somewhere in this Thread) so Isn't it suppose to be somewhere about this weight or should I just change it?

[Reformed York]

I just realized... I may be, in the future, referred to as "The Coilgun Guy." I'm okay with this.

[Munathanura]

This is the new Prototype SMG for My Nation. It is based offed the UZI SMG.

JZI-01

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Caliber: 9x19mm Parabellum
Action: Blowback
Overall length: 410 mm
Barrel length: 260 mm
Weight: 3.0 kg unloaded | 3.4 Kg Loaded
Magazines: 32-round box magazines
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per min
Effective range of fire: 200 meters
Sights: Integrated Red Dot sight

The JZI-01 is a sub-machine gun based off the designs of the Israeli UZI though it is completely remodeled and bears little resemblance to the UZI.

The JZI is a blow-back operated weapon which fires from a closed-bolt and is equipped with a separate striker and additional spring, unlike the open-bolt version of the UZI. The Closed-bolt design closes the breech end of the barrel, though it regressed the cooling during periods of continuous fire, The JZI is less susceptible to contamination from sand dirt ingress, a complete opposite of the UZI whose open-bolt is more susceptible to contamination from sand and dirt ingress. The JZI uses a telescoping bolt design, in which the bolt wraps around the breech end of the barrel. This would mean that most of the JZI's weight is located in front of the breech face. This allows the barrel to be moved far back into the receiver and the magazine to be housed in the pistol grip, allowing for a heavier, slower-firing bolt in a shorter, better-balanced weapon.

The receiver is made from stamped steel, with trigger unit and pistol grip pinned to its bottom at the center. The cocking handle is the integrated Red Dot Sights, located at the top of the receiver cover, and does not move when gun is fired allowing the Sights to be usable when fired. The magazine is housed within the pistol grip, allowing for intuitive and easy reloading in dark or difficult conditions. The JZI is fitted with manual safety /fire selector, located on the left side of the pistol grip, and the grip is fitted with a grip safety, making it difficult to fire the weapon accidentally. The protruding diagonal magazine makes the gun easier to fire when prone compared to the UZI's vertical magazine which is harder to fire when prone.

The JZI is fitted with a under folding metallic shoulder stock of a unique design made by the R&D Lab of Terris Caelo.

Two things:

1) I don't like the red dot sight being the charging handle. I know that it's non-reciprocating, but the idea just doesn't sit well with me, so I guess it's just a conflict of tastes.

2) How does the underfolding stock work? I could see it being side folding, but it doesn't look capable of under folding to me.

[Munathanura]

it is supposed to b 2x I forgot to take out the 1 , could the 6.5 mm Grendel work with the weight.

Right, well, in that case the 2x scope is fine.

The Grendel could work, but the rifle would still be heavy for the weight (you'd be looking at it weighing 8.8 pounds loaded, even with the Grendel).

[Samozaryadnyastan]

@Terris 3kg unloaded sounds heavy to me for a light PDW-size SMG, a Colt Commando weighs less than that.

True, but the Designs is quite Bulky (As Noted Somewhere in this Thread) so Isn't it suppose to be somewhere about this weight or should I just change it?

To be honest, I wouldn't take design tips from me on actual systems and operation without someone else backing it up first.
I just call out things that look wrong (or just strange/off) with my limited knowledge.