Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. IV) The Proper Un

by **Senestrum** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:06 pm

G11.

dun dun dun

Steyr ACR action also, although it's not caseless.

by **The Soviet Technocracy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:09 pm

orite derp

does steyr ACR shoot entire casing btw?

by **Senestrum** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:12 pm

by **The Soviet Technocracy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:16 pm

Senestrum wrote:no

the diagram at the end of that vid makes it seem like it shoots the entire cartridge, since it is a sabot

sort of like vag-73 and that weird italian smg?

or am i ttly wrong?

by **Senestrum** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:19 pm

I was actually referring to the cases you see come out every time the gun fires...

by **Munathanura** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:30 pm

Sremski okrug wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
Effective range will be shorter if you're using iron sights, and the box magazine shown only holds 20 rounds.

Um, okay then.

by **The Soviet Technocracy** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:31 pm

orite

derp

by **Pridwen** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:06 pm

Alright, so I just read a bit about the FX-05 Xiuhcoatl. (For those who don't know about it, it's the new as of 2006 Mexican assault rifle, and it looks quite similar to a G36)

Anyway, it uses polygonal rifling rather than the traditional system. Supposedly polygonal rifling allows for a higher muzzle velocity (Because the bullet is deformed less and the bore is slightly smaller than that of a traditionally rifled barrel) as well as reduced barrel wear and easier maintenance due to the more rugged design.

Now, I'm curious what everyone here has to say about it. Its proponents have made a very convincing argument, but I'd like to know what everyone here thinks.

by **Phayder Corporation** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:00 pm

[FT] shotguns
Flechette Cannon
Cartridge: 70 x 350mm canister shot (HEAPI flechettes)
Action: semi-auto
Effective Range: 100m
Feed system: 6 round drum magazine

Looks something like this except fired from the hip by powered armor soldiers.

Tactical Shotgun
For our non-powered armored infantry they are equipped with smaller tactical shotguns
Cartridge: 30mm shotgun shells (fires HE shot, AP-EMP flechette, poison dart, or incendiary shot)
Action: double-action
Rate of Fire: semi-auto 180 rounds per minute
Effective Range: 40m
Feed system: 6-Round, Revolving, Swing Out-Type Cylinder

Looks something like this except with a larger revolver cylinder and non-pump action.

by **Imeriata** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:08 pm

KVG-08 (rifle)
Designer: Göran auf Sadersjö
Designed: 1921
Manufacturer: the royal merchant guild (the Sadersjö arm forge)
Produced: 1922- today

Specifications
Weight: 4.3 kg loaded
Length: 1000mm
Barrel length: 750 mm
Cartridge: 8x56mm Khönungskot
Calibre: 8 mm calibre
Sights: Iron sight.
Muzzle velocity: 800 m/s
Effective range: 700 m
Rate of fire: semi
Action: bolt action.
Feed system: 8 round magazine.

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:09 am

Altamirus wrote:
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Yeah and the TKB-022PM is forward ejecting, so this cannot be the same action.

Then what the hole in the TKB-22PM for?

It was theorised as bottom ejecting, but I don't actually know.

Purp's handy diagram of the action, based upon Sumer's explanation. Not the top ejection tube, and nothing leading to the bottom. The bottom slot may have been a cleaning/misfire access port.

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:13 am

Sremski okrug wrote:(Image)
Zastava M77
Cartridge: 7.62x51mm NATO
Effective range: 600 m
Feed system: 20 rounds

7.62 NATO AK-type rifle? I like.

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:19 am

Pridwen wrote:Alright, so I just read a bit about the FX-05 Xiuhcoatl. (For those who don't know about it, it's the new as of 2006 Mexican assault rifle, and it looks quite similar to a G36)

Anyway, it uses polygonal rifling rather than the traditional system. Supposedly polygonal rifling allows for a higher muzzle velocity (Because the bullet is deformed less and the bore is slightly smaller than that of a traditionally rifled barrel) as well as reduced barrel wear and easier maintenance due to the more rugged design.

Now, I'm curious what everyone here has to say about it. Its proponents have made a very convincing argument, but I'd like to know what everyone here thinks.

The wiki article had a considerable portion of for/against arguments, not that I remember them myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_ ... Advantages
Seems that polygonal rifling is considerably more expensive and complex to manufacture, which is why traditional rifling is still dominant.
Also, law enforcement would prefer the populace to use traditionally rifled weapons, otherwise gun crime would be near unsolvable.

by **Phayder Corporation** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:44 am

I wonder would a semi-auto rocket launcher firing miniature missiles be a viable support weapon for use by infantry?

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:52 am

Make it a rocket-assisted round that operates as a low-powered autocannon for soft-launch facility. Then it would make more sense than 'miniature warhead semi-auto missile launcher'.

Also, seen Quester's art for the first time. Was blown away.

Why do people make bullpup transformations of service rifles? If it's American civilian gun owners, then it serves no real purpose, as you no longer have the prestige of owning certain weapons, because it becomes a tool you've butchered.
Actual, genuine bullpup FAL, not the RFB. That will never make it as a service rifle, and in bench shooting doesn't help you at all. It's difficult to hold, because there's no room left to mount the required foregrip and you can only hold it by the receiver (bench shooting only) or by the barrel.

by **Imperial isa** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:06 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Make it a rocket-assisted round that operates as a low-powered autocannon for soft-launch facility. Then it would make more sense than 'miniature warhead semi-auto missile launcher'.

Also, seen Quester's art for the first time. Was blown away.

too bad he no long here on NS

should have gotten rights to build that gun long ago

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:09 am

The old MMW2 thread is amazing for old linearts by Those Who Went Before.
Wolo's earlier rifle builds. I really like the handguard, and the pistol grip detail.

by **Imperial isa** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:19 am

Questers store if you want to see more of his work his ship one got more too

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=96145

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:26 am

Thanks man

Though, I think this image may have broken?
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8705132/Linear ... SARICA.png

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... XCnUxBO7qP
BULLETCEPTION
I'm just on a google image spree, really.

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:42 am

SA-AR-3 update.
Added fire selector and magazine, minute tweaks to the muzzle brake. Straight magazine because trying to draw a curve was irritating me, and couldn't be bothered - chambered in my 5.45x45mm Samozniy cartridge.

by **Galla-** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:34 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Make it a rocket-assisted round that operates as a low-powered autocannon for soft-launch facility. Then it would make more sense than 'miniature warhead semi-auto missile launcher'.

Also, seen Quester's art for the first time. Was blown away.

Why do people make bullpup transformations of service rifles? If it's American civilian gun owners, then it serves no real purpose, as you no longer have the prestige of owning certain weapons, because it becomes a tool you've butchered.
Actual, genuine bullpup FAL, not the RFB. That will never make it as a service rifle, and in bench shooting doesn't help you at all. It's difficult to hold, because there's no room left to mount the required foregrip and you can only hold it by the receiver (bench shooting only) or by the barrel.

Because they let you have machine gun length barrels in carbine length rifles.

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:44 am

Galla- wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Make it a rocket-assisted round that operates as a low-powered autocannon for soft-launch facility. Then it would make more sense than 'miniature warhead semi-auto missile launcher'.

Also, seen Quester's art for the first time. Was blown away.

Why do people make bullpup transformations of service rifles? If it's American civilian gun owners, then it serves no real purpose, as you no longer have the prestige of owning certain weapons, because it becomes a tool you've butchered.
Actual, genuine bullpup FAL, not the RFB. That will never make it as a service rifle, and in bench shooting doesn't help you at all. It's difficult to hold, because there's no room left to mount the required foregrip and you can only hold it by the receiver (bench shooting only) or by the barrel.

Because they let you have machine gun length barrels in carbine length rifles.

Not really. Ea90's RPK barrel in a Vepr is an exception really, most bullpup conversions just move the trigger group and put a stock on the receiver, not altering the barrel. Most M14 conversions, the sadface Mosin conversion, that above FAL conversion and most AK conversions being example.

by **Svormannhelm** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:56 am

Guys, here's a question for you all.

As I said before, I think I got how triggers work this time. The question is about these.

So, I pull the weapon's trigger and the bolt flies forward, as seen here.

What happens if I pull my hand off the trigger before the bolt comes backwards? Would it jam the trigger assembly's parts? Or would it stop anyway?

And how exactly extractors work? Wouldn't the bullet getting out of the magazine hit the extractor before going into the chamber? I'm having problems with these and I'm so close to making an operational weapon that's not a sputter gun.

by **Svormannhelm** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:11 am

Credit to Chernobyl Pripyat for base weapon.

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:13 am

The extractor is a spring-loaded arm on the bolt face that grips the cartridge rim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kgnh4neVaY&t=10m38s
Glorious video is glorious - shows how triggers and loading works.

Note that the link is for 10:38, but each time you F5, it just goes about 10 seconds back from where it last loaded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kgnh4neVaY&t=12m00s
Better link, but same issue as above.
Extractor at 13:32

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