Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. IV) The Proper Un

[Oterro]

Bayonets are more important as utility tools than weapons bro

Bad times :<

If anyone on NS is purposely using bayonets designed to be utility tools instead of weapons I declare war on them. All of Tetrakon does because I'm unilaterally declaring myself Warmaster of Tetrakon.

It's only slightly curved. If you can't penetrate a man with it, you have a woman's arms and thus should not be holding the mighty Martini Henry.

And it's a scimitar bayonet. Hence it's 20% cooler.

[Indeos]

It's too hacky for a bayonet, IMO. It's built more like a utility tool than a weapon.

That's pretty much why I think that it would work well. Most of the time bayonets are used as tools, which the Elcho does very well at, but it's still capable of being used as a bayonet (it was described as being adequate).

I don't like it. Too thick near the tip, and therefore likely too much weight near the tip. In my experience, blades like that aren't much good for stabbing, especially not when mounted on what is essentially a spear.

The curve isn't the problem. It's mostly weight distribution and balance. Also, yataghan bayonet > any other.

[Munathanura]

That's pretty much why I think that it would work well. Most of the time bayonets are used as tools, which the Elcho does very well at, but it's still capable of being used as a bayonet (it was described as being adequate).

I don't like it. Too thick near the tip, and therefore likely too much weight near the tip. In my experience, blades like that aren't much good for stabbing, especially not when mounted on what is essentially a spear.

The curve isn't the problem. It's mostly weight distribution and balance. Also, yataghan bayonet > any other.

Bayonets are going to be used as tools for the majority of the time, so one that works very well as a tool and that had, at the time, adequate performance seems like a good choice to me.

[Indeos]

I don't like it. Too thick near the tip, and therefore likely too much weight near the tip. In my experience, blades like that aren't much good for stabbing, especially not when mounted on what is essentially a spear.

The curve isn't the problem. It's mostly weight distribution and balance. Also, yataghan bayonet > any other.

Bayonets are going to be used as tools for the majority of the time, so one that works very well as a tool and that had, at the time, adequate performance seems like a good choice to me.

Bayonets shouldn't be designed to use as tools. Tools should be designed as tools. Especially not on NS, because we can actually afford to give soldiers both bayonets and some form of multi-use tool. The whole idea of designing a weapon to be optimized for use as a tool is ridiculous.

[Munathanura]

Bayonets are going to be used as tools for the majority of the time, so one that works very well as a tool and that had, at the time, adequate performance seems like a good choice to me.

Bayonets shouldn't be designed to use as tools. Tools should be designed as tools. Especially not on NS, because we can actually afford to give soldiers both bayonets and some form of multi-use tool. The whole idea of designing a weapon to be optimized for use as a tool is ridiculous.

I wouldn't say that it's been optimised as a tool, so much as it's capable of being used as both, like a bayonet version of the kukri. It's both a tool and a weapon, and it can function as both.

[Indeos]

Bayonets shouldn't be designed to use as tools. Tools should be designed as tools. Especially not on NS, because we can actually afford to give soldiers both bayonets and some form of multi-use tool. The whole idea of designing a weapon to be optimized for use as a tool is ridiculous.

I wouldn't say that it's been optimised as a tool, so much as it's capable of being used as both, like a bayonet version of the kukri. It's both a tool and a weapon, and it can function as both.

The difference is that the kukri was never supposed to be mounted as a bayonet, and thus could be optimized for hacking things off. That bayonet would be pretty difficult to shove through things like ribcages unless you mounted it sideways. As a non-mounted weapon, it would be great, but I have serious doubts that the weight distribution is good for bayoneting.

[Galla-]

Bayonets are more important as utility tools than weapons bro

Bad times :<

If anyone on NS is purposely using bayonets designed to be utility tools instead of weapons I declare war on them. All of Tetrakon does because I'm unilaterally declaring myself Warmaster of Tetrakon.

http://www.ima-usa.com/british-p-1879-a ... yonet.html

look a bayonet designed as a tool

[Indeos]

If anyone on NS is purposely using bayonets designed to be utility tools instead of weapons I declare war on them. All of Tetrakon does because I'm unilaterally declaring myself Warmaster of Tetrakon.

http://www.ima-usa.com/british-p-1879-a ... yonet.html

look a bayonet designed as a tool

Sawback isn't enough. That's used for beheading the beasts you hunt when not fighting, and the blade is pretty clearly designed as a weapon.

[Estainia]

Bayonets are going to be used as tools for the majority of the time, so one that works very well as a tool and that had, at the time, adequate performance seems like a good choice to me.

Bayonets shouldn't be designed to use as tools. Tools should be designed as tools. Especially not on NS, because we can actually afford to give soldiers both bayonets and some form of multi-use tool. The whole idea of designing a weapon to be optimized for use as a tool is ridiculous.

The Chinese Shovel From Hell. /caserested @ The Perfect Tool-Weapon It does everything.

But; I completely agree with you.

[Imperial isa]

Speaking of bayonets, do any MT nations here use anything similar to the Lord Elcho bayonet? It looks perfectly suited to NS warfare.

something to get stuck on the ribs

[Oterro]

Germans in WW1 used to smack tommies in the face with shovels when they attacked rather than use bayonets.

[Estainia]

Germans in WW1 used to smack tommies in the face with shovels when they attacked rather than use bayonets.

When it works. Do it?

[The Death-Star]

The E-11 blaster rifle is standard issue.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/E-11_blaster_rifle

[Oterro]

Germans in WW1 used to smack tommies in the face with shovels when they attacked rather than use bayonets.

When it works. Do it?

Word.

[Munathanura]

Okay then, point taken. Elcho bayonets aren't as crash hot as I thought, and there are better options out there.

[The Ottish Empire]

I'm going as fast as I can damnit!
New shading techniques. Anything else I should fix?

Doesn't look like it can mount a proper bayonet but that's not really important.

Well, it's a carbine, so everything is short, which is probably why it doesn't look like it'll work. I'll work on it though. Anything else?

[Wolohanistan]

Okay then, point taken. Elcho bayonets aren't as crash hot as I thought, and there are better options out there.

Still great for daring charges against thick vegetation.

[Imperial DaiHan]

I am presently bored nearly out of my sanity.

If any of you want art done, and I feel like it'll alleviate my boredom rather than add to it, then I'll do it.

You know you want me to.

[The Ottish Empire]

I am presently bored nearly out of my sanity.

If any of you want art done, and I feel like it'll alleviate my boredom rather than add to it, then I'll do it.

You know you want me to.

Make the most amazing bayonet I've ever seen, >_>

[Imperial DaiHan]

Denied.

[Indeos]

I am presently bored nearly out of my sanity.

If any of you want art done, and I feel like it'll alleviate my boredom rather than add to it, then I'll do it.

You know you want me to.

Make the most amazing bayonet I've ever seen, >_>

Actually, drawing swords and bayonets and stuff would be pretty awesome of you.

[Imperial DaiHan]

However, being insanely vague and unserious was NOT awesome of him.

[Munathanura]

However, being insanely vague and unserious was NOT awesome of him.

Okay, how about designing a bayonet that is useful as both a weapon and as a tool?

[Estainia]

Well. I have no idea what my tilting-bolt StG-AK-47 mutant rifle the ADK-45 looks like; if you'd like to take a crack at that along those lines? I can't be much more descript because I never really thought about it; honestly.

If that offer is still open.

[Imperial DaiHan]

Again, that's pretty vague. Do you want it to serve as an axe as well, be able to cut rope efficiently, hack through foliage or what?

@ Other guy: No thank you, I'm in the mood for... Hmm, perhaps I'll just screw around and see what comes out the other end.