Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. IV) The Proper Un

by **Wolohanistan** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:48 pm

THE ULTIMATE IN HOME DEFENSE.

by **Hodori** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:49 pm

Reposting from other thread:
STR6-5 Bullpup Carbine, 6.5x46mm Hodoran

To do list:
- Fix optic reticule
- Fix grip
- Fix bayonet lugs
- Fix bayonet

A few things I want to know:
Did I draw the ejection port correctly?
Did I draw the sling points correctly?
Did I draw the magazine correctly?
How viable is the bayonet mounting?

by **Indeos** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:50 pm

Wolohanistan wrote:THE ULTIMATE IN HOME DEFENSE.
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Wolo, this is so boss. Y u so awesome?

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:12 pm

SA-AR-1 Mod 2 family's SMG and Carbine variants fixed.

Carbine SuperShort with 'MkIII' (IC'ly) SA80-alike stock, 7.62mm receiver

Carbine SuperShort with 'MkIV' EM2-alike stock, 7.62mm receiver

Carbine UltraShort with 'MkIII' stock, 9mm receiver - Battle Rifle-standard flash hider removed, barrel threads exposed

Carbine UltraShort with 'MkIV' stock, 9mm receiver - Battle Rifle-standard flash hider removed, barrel threads exposed

The Mark 3 and 4 stocks are, IC'ly, designed for the CSS and CUS Carbine platforms. Since the 9mm Parabellum round has a very low pressure compared to 7.62 NATO, the 9mm and 7.62mm barrels have the same external dimensions, the 9mm just has different bore and chamber. It also has no gas tap, being a blowback operation. This way, the same receiver can take two different barrels without modification, though the side effect is that the 9mm barrel is heavier than it could be made.

I'm considering an alternate receiver, similar to interchangeable upper receivers on the AR-15 platform, so that this can mount a .50 and/or .338 barrel. The .338 would be similar to the 7.62mm, in that it's effectively a necked-down version of the larger bore barrel (though the .338 barrel would be a necked-down .50 barrel while the 9mm is actually a necked-up 7.62mm).
This would turn the SA-AR-1 Mod 2 DMR (SA-SR-3) into the SA-SR-5 (SA-AR-1 Mod 2 SRS), interchangeable between .338 and .50 rounds (Lapua and BMG respectively). Note, this would make it an entirely separate weapon system, as only the (modified) trigger group and top panel would remain - new barrel receiver module and stock/action modules would be needed.

Still to do:

Work on alternate charging system for DMR and SAW variants
Create Casket mag for the SAW in new scale
Experiment moar with camo patterns
Fine detailing (sights, fire selectors)
Parts sheet detailing interchangeable receivers, stock/action modules, gas blocks and systems

by **Saritistan** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:32 pm

Izlucheniya wrote:
Fischermann wrote:
Good to know.

I'm sticking to lineart, a lot more easier.

I used to do line art in Paint but to complicated IMO >->

Haider Poke. Is Semi.

by **Phlegethonis** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:45 pm

Dux '93 Carbine

Semi-automatic or full automatic fire modes
Recoil operation
Folding skeleton stock
Fires 7.62x33mm "shortrange" explosive rounds
15-round detachable magazine

by **Samozaryadnyastan** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:58 pm

Phlegethonis wrote:(Image)

Dux '93 Carbine

Semi-automatic or full automatic fire modes
Recoil operation
Folding skeleton stock
Fires 7.62x33mm "shortrange" explosive rounds
15-round detachable magazine

While you can get an explosive warhead onto a 7.62mm round, it's not going to achieve a significant increase in damage at any rate.
Plus, it's just expensive for minimal gain.

by **Galla-** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:42 pm

piths

doing '56 LCE on him next

by **Risen Britannia** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:16 pm

drum mag? drum mag? get your dump mags here!

actual size (5.56mm nato)

first go at a mag other than the standard box mag

by **Indeos** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:18 pm

Risen Britannia wrote:drum mag? drum mag? get your dump mags here!
(Image)
actual size (5.56mm nato)
(Image)
first go at a mag other than the standard box mag

Open mags are bad and cause jamming.

by **Kelwona** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:20 pm

Indeos wrote:Open mags are bad and cause jamming.

I think it is a plastic of some sort so you can see how much ammunition is remaining.

by **Risen Britannia** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:28 pm

Indeos wrote:
Risen Britannia wrote:drum mag? drum mag? get your dump mags here!
(Image)
actual size (5.56mm nato)
(Image)
first go at a mag other than the standard box mag

Open mags are bad and cause jamming.

as said its meant to be a plastic cover like so

by **Indeos** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:41 pm

Risen Britannia wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Open mags are bad and cause jamming.

as said its meant to be a plastic cover like so

Alright. That wasn't mentioned in your post and it looked like nothing was there.

by **Oterro** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:43 pm

Imperial DaiHan wrote:Not that complicated. Drew that for Italian Maifafiaifafiais in around an hour of actual work-time, counting revisions.

It's better than mine.

I hate you forever.

by **The Ottish Empire** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:43 pm

I'm going as fast as I can damnit!
New shading techniques. Anything else I should fix?

by **Indeos** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:47 pm

The Ottish Empire wrote:I'm going as fast as I can damnit!
New shading techniques. Anything else I should fix?

Doesn't look like it can mount a proper bayonet but that's not really important.

by **Purpelia** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:13 pm

Indeos wrote:
The Ottish Empire wrote:I'm going as fast as I can damnit!
New shading techniques. Anything else I should fix?

Doesn't look like it can mount a proper bayonet but that's not really important.

Oh yes it is. The bayonet is a key took of warfare.
Also, just for fun read this: http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... 10229&st=0

by **Indeos** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:14 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Doesn't look like it can mount a proper bayonet but that's not really important.

Oh yes it is. The bayonet is a key took of warfare.
Also, just for fun read this: http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... 10229&st=0

It isn't important because that could just be a variant or something that he hasn't added. Durr.

by **Purpelia** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:30 pm

Oh, point taken. I just thought you were one of the crowd that advocates issuing everyone a sniper rifle and newer getting under 500m with the enemy. Sorry about that.

by **Indeos** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:33 pm

Purpelia wrote:Oh, point taken. I just thought you were one of the crowd that advocates issuing everyone a sniper rifle and newer getting under 500m with the enemy. Sorry about that.

Nope. I'm one of the staunchest pro-bayonet people here, actually. Hell, I played FanT specifically so I could justify using legitimate swords even though I was mostly MT. And now I'm focusing on PT so I can have more slashy and stabby bits. Plus, my FT was all-melee.

by **Munathanura** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:39 pm

Speaking of bayonets, do any MT nations here use anything similar to the Lord Elcho bayonet? It looks perfectly suited to NS warfare.

by **Indeos** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:53 pm

Munathanura wrote:Speaking of bayonets, do any MT nations here use anything similar to the Lord Elcho bayonet? It looks perfectly suited to NS warfare.

It's too hacky for a bayonet, IMO. It's built more like a utility tool than a weapon.

by **Oterro** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:55 pm

Indeos wrote:
Munathanura wrote:Speaking of bayonets, do any MT nations here use anything similar to the Lord Elcho bayonet? It looks perfectly suited to NS warfare.

It's too hacky for a bayonet, IMO. It's built more like a utility tool than a weapon.

Bayonets are more important as utility tools than weapons bro

Bad times :<

by **Indeos** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:58 pm

Oterro wrote:
Indeos wrote:
It's too hacky for a bayonet, IMO. It's built more like a utility tool than a weapon.

Bayonets are more important as utility tools than weapons bro

Bad times :<

If anyone on NS is purposely using bayonets designed to be utility tools instead of weapons I declare war on them. All of Tetrakon does because I'm unilaterally declaring myself Warmaster of Tetrakon.

by **Munathanura** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:59 pm

Indeos wrote:
Munathanura wrote:Speaking of bayonets, do any MT nations here use anything similar to the Lord Elcho bayonet? It looks perfectly suited to NS warfare.

It's too hacky for a bayonet, IMO. It's built more like a utility tool than a weapon.

That's pretty much why I think that it would work well. Most of the time bayonets are used as tools, which the Elcho does very well at, but it's still capable of being used as a bayonet (it was described as being adequate).

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