Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. IV) The Proper Un

[Risen Britannia]

RB show him the multi-tube revolver shotgun wankery.

Are you suggesting that Ularn makes a pump action grenade launcher with a revolving 16round magazine?

[Indeos]

RB show him the multi-tube revolver shotgun wankery.

Are you suggesting that Ularn makes a pump action grenade launcher with a revolving 16round magazine?

That would be suitably lulzy and FT. Though, I'm not sure how well pump-action would work for that magazine, and I'm tempted to say semi would be overall better. Though, optional pump means it can cycle low-power stuff.

[Risen Britannia]

whilst we are at it, why not make it full auto and double barrelled. With each barrel having its own 16round rotating mag

[Kouralia]

whilst we are at it, why not make it full auto and double barrelled. With each barrel having its own 16round rotating mag

And Bullpup?
With a massive spring-launched bayonet?

[Indeos]

whilst we are at it, why not make it full auto and double barrelled

Two 16 round magazines, rotating every four shots, would look pretty cool. Especially if they're set close enough to look like meshing cogs.

(I might actually convince Dai to draw something steampunkish on this concept, cause I like the lulziness. I could probably even pass the magazine rotation off as being driven by a miniature motor thing. Because magic.)

whilst we are at it, why not make it full auto and double barrelled. With each barrel having its own 16round rotating mag

And Bullpup?
With a massive spring-launched bayonet?

Bullpup would be weird, I think. Also, insert bit about detachable bayonet superiority here.

[Crookfur]

talking of twin barrels:

http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0

[Indeos]

talking of twin barrels:

http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0

I really, really want one.

[Blighted Hills]

There are a few different "Main Weapons" in our army.

The main ranged weapon, used by everyone from our mindless skeletal archers to elite Wight rangers, is a recurve longbow, compounded with yew and bone. These bows provide significant range and kinetic impact.

Conscripted infantry typically use wooden-hafted axes, or spears. Volunteer infantry, especially of well-preserved zombies or high-functioning wights, use traditional swords called Eviskars, which have straight, four-and-a-half foot blades of a high carbon steel, cross-guard hilts, and are sharpened on only one edge.

There are variations, of course.

[Indeos]

There are a few different "Main Weapons" in our army.

The main ranged weapon, used by everyone from our mindless skeletal archers to elite Wight rangers, is a recurve longbow, compounded with yew and bone. These bows provide significant range and kinetic impact.

Conscripted infantry typically use wooden-hafted axes, or spears. Volunteer infantry, especially of well-preserved zombies or high-functioning wights, use traditional swords called Eviskars, which have straight, four-and-a-half foot blades of a high carbon steel, cross-guard hilts, and are sharpened on only one edge.

There are variations, of course.

Why only one edge on a straight sword?

[Blighted Hills]

There's no earthly reason to do so. It's mostly tradition. The style associated with the use of the Eviskar takes it into account.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

talking of twin barrels:

http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0

I can not fit enough facepalm smileys into one post to describe how much I want to punch the developer of that pistol right in the dick, so I'll just leave this here.

[Risen Britannia]

talking of twin barrels:

http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0

I really, really want one.

my opinion of you has fallen.

[Indeos]

talking of twin barrels:

http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0

I can not fit enough facepalm smileys into one post to describe how much I want to punch the developer of that pistol right in the dick, so I'll just leave this here.

It apparently has roughly the same recoil as any other 1911. (At least, someone who can handle the normal .45 recoil won't have trouble with that.) And it is really goddamn cool. (They also make a bunch of reasonable firearms; I think that one is a Red Jacket style lolconcept that just works pretty well.)

I really, really want one.

my opinion of you has fallen.

Really? The designing of a double-barrel 10ga. revolver shotgun that discharged both barrels simultaneously and a crew-served 40mm autocannon for use by infantry (a la an HMG or Civil War gatling gun) didn't do it, but this did?

[Risen Britannia]

I can not fit enough facepalm smileys into one post to describe how much I want to punch the developer of that pistol right in the dick, so I'll just leave this here.

It apparently has roughly the same recoil as any other 1911. (At least, someone who can handle the normal .45 recoil won't have trouble with that.) And it is really goddamn cool. (They also make a bunch of reasonable firearms; I think that one is a Red Jacket style lolconcept that just works pretty well.)

my opinion of you has fallen.

Really? The designing of a double-barrel 10ga. revolver shotgun that discharged both barrels simultaneously and a crew-served 40mm autocannon for use by infantry (a la an HMG or Civil War gatling gun) didn't do it, but this did?

yep...

[Kouralia]

I can not fit enough facepalm smileys into one post to describe how much I want to punch the developer of that pistol right in the dick, so I'll just leave this here.

It apparently has roughly the same recoil as any other 1911. (At least, someone who can handle the normal .45 recoil won't have trouble with that.) And it is really goddamn cool. (They also make a bunch of reasonable firearms; I think that one is a Red Jacket style lolconcept that just works pretty well.)

But, really?

Why the two triggers?

Why not just a normal trigger-guard and a single trigger, since there is no reason to have two!

[Indeos]

It apparently has roughly the same recoil as any other 1911. (At least, someone who can handle the normal .45 recoil won't have trouble with that.) And it is really goddamn cool. (They also make a bunch of reasonable firearms; I think that one is a Red Jacket style lolconcept that just works pretty well.)

But, really?

Why the two triggers?

Why not just a normal trigger-guard and a single trigger, since there is no reason to have two!

That probably would've been a hell of a lot more complicated, and I know they have a few different options on that. Will edit in the info from their products section momentarily. (I don't know why, but their site is a pain to navigate.)

[Celtic Colonies]

I still don't know why the .300 Win Mag and .300 WSM have exactly the same performance, but it seems like it's possible to make a shorter, fatter round without losing anything.

Got a source for that comparison?
Wikipedia seems to think there's up to 15% more muzzle energy from the Win Mag over the WSM.
If there is a difference in performance, I'd guess total propellant capacity would be the first thing I'd look at, unfortunately the wiki page on WSM doesn't include that stat.
If propellant volume were identical, I'd expect very slightly higher performance form the shorter fatter case, as (theoretically at least) the maximum distance from the primer to the farthest end of the propellant column is shorter, so there should be a faster burn for higher acceleration of the bullet.

[Kouralia]

But, really?

Why the two triggers?

Why not just a normal trigger-guard and a single trigger, since there is no reason to have two!

That probably would've been a hell of a lot more complicated, and I know they have a few different options on that. Will edit in the info from their products section momentarily. (I don't know why, but their site is a pain to navigate.)

Okey-dokey.

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Is the Neostead going to be the best Combat Shotgun I can pick?

I want something which is pump-action, mostly for RP purposes and because my Police generally ends up sharing with the Army's weaponry, and the Neostead is: short, accurate, high-capacity, flexible and awesome looking.

Is there any reason not to pick it?

[Spreewerke]

That double-barrel 1911 will not be available to civilians, I would imagine. As you can see, the hammer is all one big piece (if I remember correctly from the photo I saw). That being said, if one trigger is pulled,the hammer goes down on both. Two rounds are fired with one pull of the trigger. Our best friends over at the BATFE classify anything that fires more than one round per trigger pull as a machine gun. Since it's post 1986, only Class III FFL holders will be able to obtain them, and even they can only obtain equipment if they have proof an agency of some kind is looking to test/purchase said firearm. If it doesn't sell, it must be gotten rid of.

[Indeos]

I still don't know why the .300 Win Mag and .300 WSM have exactly the same performance, but it seems like it's possible to make a shorter, fatter round without losing anything.

Got a source for that comparison?
Wikipedia seems to think there's up to 15% more muzzle energy from the Win Mag over the WSM.
If there is a difference in performance, I'd guess total propellant capacity would be the first thing I'd look at, unfortunately the wiki page on WSM doesn't include that stat.
If propellant volume were identical, I'd expect very slightly higher performance form the shorter fatter case, as (theoretically at least) the maximum distance from the primer to the farthest end of the propellant column is shorter, so there should be a faster burn for higher acceleration of the bullet.

What I've read just says that they matched ballistics, it didn't provide any specifics. So it's possible that they were just sorta close enough. Wiki does say the SM was a bit slower and less powerful, though, so I think it's a matter of offering close enough performance that the difference is generally negligible.

That double-barrel 1911 will not be available to civilians, I would imagine. As you can see, the hammer is all one big piece (if I remember correctly from the photo I saw). That being said, if one trigger is pulled,the hammer goes down on both. Two rounds are fired with one pull of the trigger. Our best friends over at the BATFE classify anything that fires more than one round per trigger pull as a machine gun. Since it's post 1986, only Class III FFL holders will be able to obtain them, and even they can only obtain equipment if they have proof an agency of some kind is looking to test/purchase said firearm. If it doesn't sell, it must be gotten rid of.

Hmm...That's a good point. There are two hammers but only one spur, so it is basically one piece, but there are options to split the triggers and sear groups. Not that I'm entirely sure what that means.

[Spreewerke]

If I wanted twice the .45ACP in the target quickly, I wouldn't get a double-barreled 1911. I'd practice my double-tap.

Take notes, people: I've used this technique before and it helps a lot. It's gotten to where, when shooting silhouette targets at close range (I hear many, many self-defense scenarios are actually closer than the default "21 feet" covered in CCW classes), I don't even aim anymore. I bring it up to eye level and practice the double-tap technique. Since I find my pistols all feel quite natural in my hands, I can point-shoot in a semi-aiming stance fairly decently. Out of our DP51 (which isn't horribly accurate), I managed 13 rounds center mass at about ten or fifteen feet in about three or four seconds. This was un-aimed, but arms extended in front of the face. This, of course, was firing as fast as possible in a "mag dump" exercise.

When practicing double-tap with my P38, I fired two rounds as fast as possible at the target (actually aiming those two rounds, as well). If I remember correctly, the rounds were only an inch or two apart on impact. If you can feel when the pistol returns to its aimed position, you don't have to do as much work getting the sights re-aligned. This video helped me a lot (see below).



Here's the note taking section of my post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbg2s2bfjhw

[Arcadiana]

My nation uses the C7A1 assault rifle as my standard infantry weapon, the F1 submachine gun as my close quarters weapon and the FGM-148 as a heavy weapon in my nation for RPs

[Indeos]

If I wanted twice the .45ACP in the target quickly, I wouldn't get a double-barreled 1911. I'd practice my double-tap.

Take notes, people: I've used this technique before and it helps a lot. It's gotten to where, when shooting silhouette targets at close range (I hear many, many self-defense scenarios are actually closer than the default "21 feet" covered in CCW classes), I don't even aim anymore. I bring it up to eye level and practice the double-tap technique. Since I find my pistols all feel quite natural in my hands, I can point-shoot in a semi-aiming stance fairly decently. Out of our DP51 (which isn't horribly accurate), I managed 13 rounds center mass at about ten or fifteen feet in about three or four seconds. This was un-aimed, but arms extended in front of the face. This, of course, was firing as fast as possible in a "mag dump" exercise.

When practicing double-tap with my P38, I fired two rounds as fast as possible at the target (actually aiming those two rounds, as well). If I remember correctly, the rounds were only an inch or two apart on impact. If you can feel when the pistol returns to its aimed position, you don't have to do as much work getting the sights re-aligned. This video helped me a lot (see below).



Here's the note taking section of my post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbg2s2bfjhw

I think the idea is less to make a better gun for self defense and more to just make something cool for people to own. I could be wrong, and the video and company in general take it kinda seriously, but that seems like more posturing than anything else.

[Spreewerke]

If they're going to make something cool, they should at least make it a non NFA item so people can actually purchase them in the United States (hands down the largest civilian gun market on the planet).

What would make my pants flag fly at full staff would be a modern P38. I would love it if someone made a copy of the original pre-adoption P38s. Those would be the only striker-fired pistols I'd even consider purchasing.

Heck, the reinforced slide on them would still be nice if they kept the external hammer. Man those things feel nice in the hand. Every P38 I've held has just felt like it was made for me. My girlfriend claims the same (and this will probably be why the next P38/P1 I purchase will be a two-pistol purchase... "One fer tha each of ya").

[Indeos]

If they're going to make something cool, they should at least make it a non NFA item so people can actually purchase them in the United States (hands down the largest civilian gun market on the planet).

What would make my pants flag fly at full staff would be a modern P38. I would love it if someone made a copy of the original pre-adoption P38s. Those would be the only striker-fired pistols I'd even consider purchasing.

Heck, the reinforced slide on them would still be nice if they kept the external hammer. Man those things feel nice in the hand. Every P38 I've held has just felt like it was made for me. My girlfriend claims the same (and this will probably be why the next P38/P1 I purchase will be a two-pistol purchase... "One fer tha each of ya").

I just don't get all the criticism, really. It's not like they're saying everyone should switch to double-barreled pistols. I'm also not actually sure about the legality of purchase.