Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. IV) The Proper Un

[Samozaryadnyastan]

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WIP of a little project/Beretta 92 rip I've been working on for a few days (the scale is 1:1). Chambered in 9x22mm, which is basically a lengthened, overpressure version of 9x19 Para. I've shown the four main bullets used, which are, from top to bottom; a hollow point (for maximum expansion and effectiveness against un-armoured targets), an ordinary ball bullet (if you need to completely comply with the Geneva convention), a CBJ-style flechette (for maximum armour-piercing) and a general-purpose brass-sabot/hardened steel penetrator bullet a la VBR (that is designed to both pierce armour and have good terminal effectiveness).
Thoughts?

IIRC, JSP is supposed to be superior in military applications to JHP.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

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To be fair, I'm pretty sure 5.7x28 is too small a round to even work well with the AK platform...

That looks like the worst thing in the world to have to reload.

You slide the magazine in like a P90. Just in the front through the handguard. Nothing too difficult with a little practice.

[Ularn]

That looks like the worst thing in the world to have to reload.

You slide the magazine in like a P90. Just in the front through the handguard. Nothing too difficult with a little practice.

It would still take at least twice as long as reloading a traditional weapon and you couldn't do it while still aiming down the sights, so afterwards you need to waste more time taking aim again.

[Risen Britannia]

That looks like the worst thing in the world to have to reload.

You slide the magazine in like a P90. Just in the front through the handguard. Nothing too difficult with a little practice.

It cant be any worse than this:

12 round version, few minor changes. Plus a scope I should probably redo

[Ularn]

You slide the magazine in like a P90. Just in the front through the handguard. Nothing too difficult with a little practice.

It cant be any worse than this:

12 round version, few minor changes. Plus a scope I should probably redo

Why do you hate adjustable stocks?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

You slide the magazine in like a P90. Just in the front through the handguard. Nothing too difficult with a little practice.

It would still take at least twice as long as reloading a traditional weapon and you couldn't do it while still aiming down the sights, so afterwards you need to waste more time taking aim again.

You can run the whole reload motion left handed. It's not as difficult as you think. I even do it while aiming down the sights. You pull it with the left, grab a new mag and insert it, slap it the rest of the way. Then yank the charging handle (left side) and you're gut zu gehen.

[Creative Vikings]

So no actual 7.62 NATO stencil?

[Risen Britannia]

It cant be any worse than this:
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12 round version, few minor changes. Plus a scope I should probably redo

Why do you hate adjustable stocks?

They killed my mother
Uuuuh... You and your sensible suggestions

[Galla-]

So no actual 7.62 NATO stencil?

.308 Winchester is 7.62 NATO.

[Creative Vikings]

So no actual 7.62 NATO stencil?

.308 Winchester is 7.62 NATO.

You sure?

[Senestrum]

So no actual 7.62 NATO stencil?

.308 Winchester is 7.62 NATO.

No it's not.

Lower pressure limit. Same thing for .223 and 5.56 NATO.

[Galla-]

.308 Winchester is 7.62 NATO.

No it's not.

Lower pressure limit.

As far as dimensions go, it's basically interchangeable. >:

Though I'm p. sure .308 has a slightly shorter chamber, it's nothing extreme.

[Ularn]

Indisputably, this is the best weapon ever conceived!

[Graditora]

Hmm...I'm looking for a new bullpup rifle chambered in 6.8x48 SPC and has an effective range of 800-1000 meters and something under the length of 26 inches would be nice.

Indisputably, this is the best weapon ever conceived!

Because Fuck you

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Indisputably, this is the best weapon ever conceived!

Eww... 9fag. Funnyjunk master race.


Anywhoo, do stubby rounds like the 6.5 and .280 offer any inherent advantages over normal rounds?

[Crookfur]

.308 Winchester is 7.62 NATO.

You sure?

because google is hard to use:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/82 ... enato.jpg/

http://media7.dropshots.com/photos/4936 ... 112135.jpg

and if all else fails there is always http://www.municon.org

[Ea90]

IIRC, JSP is supposed to be superior in military applications to JHP.

According to wiki, a JSP bullet penetrates more and expands slower than a JHP one. While I can understand why it would be better to use a JSP if you wanted a general-purpose bullet, this is a very specialised one (against un-armoured targets only) and I think a JHP would perform better (if you need both penetration and terminal effectiveness there is the VBR-style bullet).

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WIP of a little project/Beretta 92 rip I've been working on for a few days (the scale is 1:1). Chambered in 9x22mm, which is basically a lengthened, overpressure version of 9x19 Para. I've shown the four main bullets used, which are, from top to bottom; a hollow point (for maximum expansion and effectiveness against un-armoured targets), an ordinary ball bullet (if you need to completely comply with the Geneva convention), a CBJ-style flechette (for maximum armour-piercing) and a general-purpose brass-sabot/hardened steel penetrator bullet a la VBR (that is designed to both pierce armour and have good terminal effectiveness).
Thoughts?

Repost because of lack of replies.

E: Why do my posts always have to be at the end of a page!

[Premislyd]

My spin on the AS "Val", just fitted for the AUG format utuilized by my MUG Weapon Family.

Critiques and opinions are welcome as I'm sure I messed something up on it.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

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My spin on the AS "Val", just fitted for the AUG format utuilized by my MUG Weapon Family.

Critiques and opinions are welcome as I'm sure I messed something up on it.

My only thing is it looks so much more like an AUG you can't really compare it to a VAL anymore.

[Premislyd]

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My spin on the AS "Val", just fitted for the AUG format utuilized by my MUG Weapon Family.

Critiques and opinions are welcome as I'm sure I messed something up on it.

My only thing is it looks so much more like an AUG you can't really compare it to a VAL anymore.

Well it's made to fit into my current weapon's family which is primarily based off the AUG

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

My only thing is it looks so much more like an AUG you can't really compare it to a VAL anymore.

Well it's made to fit into my current weapon's family which is primarily based off the AUG

So it's not really so much a take on the VAL as a response to it.

(Yes I'm picky)

[Premislyd]

Well it's made to fit into my current weapon's family which is primarily based off the AUG

So it's not really so much a take on the VAL as a response to it.

(Yes I'm picky)

Nothing much other then the integrated silencer and the use of the 9x39mm round

[Indeos]

So it's not really so much a take on the VAL as a response to it.

(Yes I'm picky)

Nothing much other then the integrated silencer and the use of the 9x39mm round

Yeah, I wouldn't call it a Val. That said, it's not a bad weapon, though I really don't like the obvious AUG base and the magazine just seems boring. Also needs back-up iron sights.

[Tanq]

Indisputably, this is the best weapon ever conceived!

9gag for the win.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Hmm...I'm looking for a new bullpup rifle chambered in 6.8x48 SPC and has an effective range of 800-1000 meters and something under the length of 26 inches would be nice.

Indisputably, this is the best weapon ever conceived!

Because Fuck you

6.8SPC is actually 6.8x43mm, and you're unlikely to get 800-1000m effective range out of that. You'd struggle to get that out of a sniper rifle chambered for 7.62 NATO or Tsarist.
However, I believe the 16-inch variant of the SA-AR-3 "Rottweiler" is in fact 26 inches. Since it uses 5.56 magazines, it would be easily able to accommodate 6.8SPC magazines, with nothing more than a barrel change.

IIRC, JSP is supposed to be superior in military applications to JHP.

According to wiki, a JSP bullet penetrates more and expands slower than a JHP one. While I can understand why it would be better to use a JSP if you wanted a general-purpose bullet, this is a very specialised one (against un-armoured targets only) and I think a JHP would perform better (if you need both penetration and terminal effectiveness there is the VBR-style bullet).

If it's intended for unarmoured targets, a JHP would indeed be better (though JSP would be better in case of mild cover such as a car door and whatnot) - when I said military applications, I was referring to tackling a foe in body armour.