Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. IV) The Proper Un

[Celtic Colonies]

The barrel rusting could have been something to do with how most of the barrel is exposed by the slide.
But why weren't Beretta handguns being issued with Beretta magazines, that's what I'd like to know.

Betcha they've some rule specifying xx% of the weapon must be Made In USA and the mag was one of the easiest and cheapest parts to do that with.

[Northern Dominus]

The barrel rusting could have been something to do with how most of the barrel is exposed by the slide.
But why weren't Beretta handguns being issued with Beretta magazines, that's what I'd like to know.

It's a Pentagon decision. Few if any understand why they make such decisions, or if any of the top brass realizes that their cost-cutting measures do more harm than good about 90% of the time.

As far as the exposed barrel, I'm pretty sure that's part of the problem, but in one of my cases (and another that was related to me) there was rust on the INSIDE of the barrel as well, which is disconcerting to put it mildly.

Plus if I'm honest i was never really impressed with the Baretta's grouping at less than whites-of-your-eyes distances. It's not terrible by any means (that goes to the Tokarev TT), but I never really got the sense that if need be I could take the infamous 5% shot with it should the need arise.
But then again considering my MOS I might have been picky (in layman's terms I was a hybrid between a sniper and an EOD shooter), so take that performance evaluation with a grain of salt.

[Purpelia]

Since people here seem to be gun experts. What's your opinion on the Glock series? Just interested out of no reason.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Handguns aren't my thing, but I understand they're very well made handguns.

[Celtic Colonies]

Depends what you mean by "flail". The above eg's all have it move back and forth in a straight line as the action cycles, but it doesn't deviate from that axial movement of 90-120mm or so, and they're all mounted in locations where it doesn't actively interfere with normal use of the rifle (apart from restricting left handed use in some cases). Para posted a fairly in-depth video of the M14 action a week or two ago, you might want to look at that for an idea of what's going on.

Derivatives of the M14 are used as Designated Marksman Rifles so I'm sure accuracy in semi-auto is unaffected. In full auto, a little extra mass moving back and forward isn't going to make much difference either I'm sure.

Well, imagine something like a mauser rifle. But fired at full auto with the charging handle being cycled together with the bold just like in manual mode but faster. I imagine the noise would be something to be heard.

Personally I wouldn't go there. Apart from the bolt handle sticking out much farther than the charging handle on a purpose designed semi/full auto action, you'd have the rear of the bolt coming back right at the firer's face. Even if it doesn't travel far enough back to hit the firer it's still a distraction and would better be kept in the action/further forward, like the M14.

Also, Full Auto with that class of cartridge is often found to be unmanageable in RL use due to the recoil and or the resultant weight you need to add to absorb said recoil. Lots of designs originally meant to feature full auto for that class of rifle were largely fielded without it being implemented, or at least strongly discouraged by training/doctrine.

Hate to sound too much like a fanboy but the M14 is probably the most workable way of doing it, you might want to just rechamber to your round of choice and re-style a bit to suit your nation.

Edit: Unless of course you want those idiosyncracies you mentioned liking earlier to be of that magnitude

[Northern Dominus]

Handguns aren't my thing, but I understand they're very well made handguns.

The Glock series is well-made to be sure, but a lot of their popularity is due to the wheeling and dealing of the company founder Gaston Glock, playing up the mystique as well as the technical virtues of the gun (back in the 80s Glocks were banned in NYC for supposedly being undetectable by airport security measures, making it a handy-dandy terrorist gun. This of course is a crock, but Gaston played up that image to sell more guns)

Still it's easy to see why the Glock series is well liked. Lightweight, high-capacity magazines, and great handling characteristics.

Betcha they've some rule specifying xx% of the weapon must be Made In USA and the mag was one of the easiest and cheapest parts to do that with.

That seems like the likeliest answer. That initial bottom line looks great until personnel start having weapons failures right in the middle of a firefight, when it's too late to redact and rethink that kind of decision

[Coltarin]

Good lord please don't even mention the Beretta or the 9mm NATO the only thing that's good for is target shooting.
The .40 S&W sounds promising but I've also been eying the .357 SIG but I'm also looking for a balance between recoil force and power because what ever pistol I adopt it will have a full auto selection

Rubbish, 9mm Para works just as well as any of the other pistol cartridges.

What you really want is a large frame psitol (be it 1911, SIG, glock or USP based) chambered in 9x23mm Win with VBR style ammo.

or just say screw it and use a coonan or grizzly in proper .357 magnum


Samozaryadnyastan: The LMG-11 actually a different three chamber revolver mechanism and the PDW-11 use yet another (falling breach). Of course the LMG-11 and PDW-11 never got beyond the wooden mockup stage.

I'm making a semi auto so first off the .357 mag is more than out of the question and the Para isn't my speed it was adopted because of some study that said the more bullets you shoot the more likely you are to win so at this point I may just ask Anemos very politely to manufacture a model of his ASP in the 7.92

[Anemos Major]

ASP isn't meant to be used consistently in full auto. It comes with that option to ensure that I didn't have to start manufacturing variants for different services, and to give troops that option if they needed it. Actually firing pistols, you'll find that it's hard enough to get one round on target, let alone five.

[Purpelia]

Personally I wouldn't go there. Apart from the bolt handle sticking out much farther than the charging handle on a purpose designed semi/full auto action, you'd have the rear of the bolt coming back right at the firer's face. Even if it doesn't travel far enough back to hit the firer it's still a distraction and would better be kept in the action/further forward, like the M14.

The bolt it self would be contained in the carrier like with any battle rifle. So the shooter would not see it flying at his face. It's just that the handle would be shaped like a mauser handle and not those light charging handles. Just imagine an M14 with a mauser handle on it.

Also, Full Auto with that class of cartridge is often found to be unmanageable in RL use due to the recoil and or the resultant weight you need to add to absorb said recoil. Lots of designs originally meant to feature full auto for that class of rifle were largely fielded without it being implemented, or at least strongly discouraged by training/doctrine.

The cartridge I am using is 7.5 Swiss. It's more or less the equivalent of 7.62 NATO in terms of recoiled and stuff. So the end rifle should not be any less controllable than the M14.

Hate to sound too much like a fanboy but the M14 is probably the most workable way of doing it, you might want to just rechamber to your round of choice and re-style a bit to suit your nation.

Think M14 meets FG42 with a 7.5 Swiss round and you have it.

Edit: Unless of course you want those idiosyncracies you mentioned liking earlier to be of that magnitude

I just want to add something slight for flavor. It should not seriously impede anything, just be quirky.

[Coltarin]

ASP isn't meant to be used consistently in full auto. It comes with that option to ensure that I didn't have to start manufacturing variants for different services, and to give troops that option if they needed it. Actually firing pistols, you'll find that it's hard enough to get one round on target, let alone five.

consistently? oh good lord no just bursts

[Disturbed]

Assault rifles: FN SCAR-H, XM-25A1, ACR-1, M4A1, and the last but not least G36. Those are my nations main assault rifles for my nation and are carried mostly by my elite, and infantry soldiers.

SMGS: there are 3 of them: MP5k, AK-74u, Uzi, and the last one and most favorable MP7.

HMGS: M-60, HK-21, M249SAW, and the old MG-42 improved.

Handguns: Beretta 9, CO2 colt pistol, and the Glock 19 semi automatic pistol.
so those are my guns and military hand weapons we use today but you should see them getting faster, better, and stronger in the future. My scientists and military experts will work night and day to improve our weapons for our security, and work in the field!

[Dimoniquid]

Assault rifles: FN SCAR-H, XM-25A1, ACR-1, M4A1, and the last but not least G36. Those are my nations main assault rifles for my nation and are carried mostly by my elite, and infantry soldiers.

SMGS: there are 3 of them: MP5k, AK-74u, Uzi, and the last one and most favorable MP7.

HMGS: M-60, HK-21, M249SAW, and the old MG-42 improved.

Handguns: Beretta 9, CO2 colt pistol, and the Glock 19 semi automatic pistol.
so those are my guns and military hand weapons we use today but you should see them getting faster, better, and stronger in the future. My scientists and military experts will work night and day to improve our weapons for our security, and work in the field!

None of those are HMG's.

[Coltarin]

Assault rifles: FN SCAR-H, XM-25A1, ACR-1, M4A1, and the last but not least G36. Those are my nations main assault rifles for my nation and are carried mostly by my elite, and infantry soldiers.

SMGS: there are 3 of them: MP5k, AK-74u, Uzi, and the last one and most favorable MP7.

LMGS: M-60, HK-21, M249SAW, and the old MG-42 improved.

Handguns: Beretta 9, CO2 colt pistol, and the Glock 19 semi automatic pistol.
so those are my guns and military hand weapons we use today but you should see them getting faster, better, and stronger in the future. My scientists and military experts will work night and day to improve our weapons for our security, and work in the field!

Where do I begin?
First the XM-25 is not a rifle but an air burst, high velocity grenade launcher. Second Too many rifles, stick to the ACR or better yet find a bullpup to use. Third the AKS-74U is what I believe you mean and it is a carbine not an SMG, and the MP7 is a PDW not a SMG. Ditch the M60 and get the M240, get rid of the HK 21, and I think you're looking fore the MG3 not an MG42.
finally pistols there is no such thing as a "Beretta 9" why have an airsoft gun? get a bigger bullet than the 9mm para

[Disturbed]

Assault rifles: FN SCAR-H, XM-25A1, ACR-1, M4A1, and the last but not least G36. Those are my nations main assault rifles for my nation and are carried mostly by my elite, and infantry soldiers.

SMGS: there are 3 of them: MP5k, AK-74u, Uzi, and the last one and most favorable MP7.

LMGS: M-60, HK-21, M249SAW, and the old MG-42 improved.

Handguns: Beretta 9, CO2 colt pistol, and the Glock 19 semi automatic pistol.
so those are my guns and military hand weapons we use today but you should see them getting faster, better, and stronger in the future. My scientists and military experts will work night and day to improve our weapons for our security, and work in the field!

Where do I begin?
First the XM-25 is not a rifle but an air burst, high velocity grenade launcher. Second Too many rifles, stick to the ACR or better yet find a bullpup to use. Third the AKS-74U is what I believe you mean and it is a carbine not an SMG, and the MP7 is a PDW not a SMG. Ditch the M60 and get the M240, get rid of the HK 21, and I think you're looking fore the MG3 not an MG42.
finally pistols there is no such thing as a "Beretta 9" why have an airsoft gun? get a bigger bullet than the 9mm para

First of all my nation and stuff so bye

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Where do I begin?
First the XM-25 is not a rifle but an air burst, high velocity grenade launcher. Second Too many rifles, stick to the ACR or better yet find a bullpup to use. Third the AKS-74U is what I believe you mean and it is a carbine not an SMG, and the MP7 is a PDW not a SMG. Ditch the M60 and get the M240, get rid of the HK 21, and I think you're looking fore the MG3 not an MG42.
finally pistols there is no such thing as a "Beretta 9" why have an airsoft gun? get a bigger bullet than the 9mm para

First of all my nation and stuff so bye

Lol.

[Coltarin]

Where do I begin?
First the XM-25 is not a rifle but an air burst, high velocity grenade launcher. Second Too many rifles, stick to the ACR or better yet find a bullpup to use. Third the AKS-74U is what I believe you mean and it is a carbine not an SMG, and the MP7 is a PDW not a SMG. Ditch the M60 and get the M240, get rid of the HK 21, and I think you're looking fore the MG3 not an MG42.
finally pistols there is no such thing as a "Beretta 9" why have an airsoft gun? get a bigger bullet than the 9mm para

First of all my nation and stuff so bye

what?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Basically, he's telling you to stfu because it's his nation so he's right.
Hence, lol.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Okay so far my OC* consists of:

An assault rifle in .280 british
An LMG in .280 british
Semi Auto shotgun in 12G
An SWS in .338 Lapua
A (kind of borked) carbine concept, in .280 Bitish
A VSS style weapon in 5.7x28
And a Rifle concept in... wait for it... .280 British!

I think I may pump out an entire arsenal by the end of the week, and maybe set up a storefront.

*Original Content

[Spirit of Hope]

Basically, he's telling you to stfu because it's his nation so he's right.
Hence, lol.

DOn't you just love it when people come into this, or other, threads designed to help with realism or whatever and then just ignore everyones helpful advice?

[Indeos]

Basically, he's telling you to stfu because it's his nation so he's right.
Hence, lol.

DOn't you just love it when people come into this, or other, threads designed to help with realism or whatever and then just ignore everyones helpful advice?

This thread isn't designed to help with realism or give advice. It's something that's been done forever because people pretty quickly realized that there's not much to talk about if you're not discussing things constantly, and established people don't tend to change their gear a lot so we have to "help" the new ones.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Okay so far my OC* consists of:

An assault rifle in .280 british
An LMG in .280 british
Semi Auto shotgun in 12G
An SWS in .338 Lapua
A (kind of borked) carbine concept, in .280 Bitish
A VSS style weapon in 5.7x28
And a Rifle concept in... wait for it... .280 British!

I think I may pump out an entire arsenal by the end of the week, and maybe set up a storefront.

*Original Content

I don't think the 5.7FN would work well in a suppressed weapon. Too little mass, too little velocity I imagine.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Okay so far my OC* consists of:

An assault rifle in .280 british
An LMG in .280 british
Semi Auto shotgun in 12G
An SWS in .338 Lapua
A (kind of borked) carbine concept, in .280 Bitish
A VSS style weapon in 5.7x28
And a Rifle concept in... wait for it... .280 British!

I think I may pump out an entire arsenal by the end of the week, and maybe set up a storefront.

*Original Content

I don't think the 5.7FN would work well in a suppressed weapon. Too little mass, too little velocity I imagine.

I forgot to integrally suppress it when I made it, so I don't think that'll be a problem.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure 5.7x28 is too small a round to even work well with the AK platform...

[Ea90]

WIP of a little project/Beretta 92 rip I've been working on for a few days (the scale is 1:1). Chambered in 9x22mm, which is basically a lengthened, overpressure version of 9x19 Para. I've shown the four main bullets used, which are, from top to bottom; a hollow point (for maximum expansion and effectiveness against un-armoured targets), an ordinary ball bullet (if you need to completely comply with the Geneva convention), a CBJ-style flechette (for maximum armour-piercing) and a general-purpose brass-sabot/hardened steel penetrator bullet a la VBR (that is designed to both pierce armour and have good terminal effectiveness).
Thoughts?

[Ularn]

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To be fair, I'm pretty sure 5.7x28 is too small a round to even work well with the AK platform...

That looks like the worst thing in the world to have to reload.