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Fischermann
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Postby Fischermann » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:09 pm

Indeos wrote:
Fischermann wrote:(Image)

The SKS and the Gewehr 43 had a child, at least according to me.

Uses 7.62x45. It's fed from a 15 round detattachable magazine, though the civilian models are all fixed magazines.


Why would you combine two WWII-era semi-auto rifles to make a new one? Also, if the bolt doesn't strongly resemble the G43's* you're doing it wrong. (Besides my question, it's pretty good. You should use a full-size rifle cartridge, though, instead of an intermediate. Unless that counts as full-size...)

*When looking down the sights.


Sorry, the bolt doesn't look like the G43. (Still, I love that gun)

Also, the 7.62x45 is a jack of all trades, master of none round - it's got better ballistics than the 7.62x39, but it ain't no Battle Rifle cartridge. The rifle's supposed to be like the SKS, by the way.

Aside from that, well, I wanted to do a semi - automatic rifle. Also, a special variant for the ''Bayonet Battalion'' is coming up, complete with 30 round magazine, full auto capability and redesigned receiver.
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Postby Galla- » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:10 pm

BAR did automatic rifle before it was cool. 8)

I mean the M1918.
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Fischermann
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Postby Fischermann » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:11 pm

Galla- wrote:BAR did automatic rifle before it was cool. 8)

I mean the M1918.


The BAR's nice, I like that gun.

Though having most of the grip metal is a tad annoying for me.
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Indeos
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Postby Indeos » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:22 pm

Fischermann wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Why would you combine two WWII-era semi-auto rifles to make a new one? Also, if the bolt doesn't strongly resemble the G43's* you're doing it wrong. (Besides my question, it's pretty good. You should use a full-size rifle cartridge, though, instead of an intermediate. Unless that counts as full-size...)

*When looking down the sights.


Sorry, the bolt doesn't look like the G43. (Still, I love that gun)

Also, the 7.62x45 is a jack of all trades, master of none round - it's got better ballistics than the 7.62x39, but it ain't no Battle Rifle cartridge. The rifle's supposed to be like the SKS, by the way.

Aside from that, well, I wanted to do a semi - automatic rifle. Also, a special variant for the ''Bayonet Battalion'' is coming up, complete with 30 round magazine, full auto capability and redesigned receiver.


Lame. I love the back of the bolt, even if I only know what it looks like from down the sights because of RO.

Bah. If it's WWII era it should probably use a full BR cartridge.

Looking forward to it. Make sure to have the sword bayonet affixed on the posted pic.
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Postby Bezo » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:47 pm

Oterro wrote:
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Also nukes.


armed with what, lol

if ur countries doctrine is nukenukenuke then ur country is not long for this multiverse ;_;


The genetically engineered super soldiers are armed with nukes.

The country already has a time limit.

One of the anti-assassination techniques used by the Emperor is wiring the entire country with nuclear bombs, which will detonate at the moment of his death.
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Postby Fischermann » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:51 pm

Indeos wrote:
Fischermann wrote:
Sorry, the bolt doesn't look like the G43. (Still, I love that gun)

Also, the 7.62x45 is a jack of all trades, master of none round - it's got better ballistics than the 7.62x39, but it ain't no Battle Rifle cartridge. The rifle's supposed to be like the SKS, by the way.

Aside from that, well, I wanted to do a semi - automatic rifle. Also, a special variant for the ''Bayonet Battalion'' is coming up, complete with 30 round magazine, full auto capability and redesigned receiver.


Lame. I love the back of the bolt, even if I only know what it looks like from down the sights because of RO.

Bah. If it's WWII era it should probably use a full BR cartridge.

Looking forward to it. Make sure to have the sword bayonet affixed on the posted pic.


It was made after WWII. Around 1950 or something.

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The Revanov Automatic Rifle, a 7.62x45 automatic rifle that had selective fire capability and an ambixdetrous charging handle:

Image

This rifle was known for it's ruggedness during combat. The so called ''Bayonet Battalion'' which, obviously, used bayonets extensively, used this weapon to keep enemies in cover while they ran towards them, eventually gutting them with the bayonets. The Bayonet Trooper was the primary shocktrooper of the army until recent times - yet, they Bayonet Battalion still exists, experienced with 80 years of combat.

To face a soldier from the bayonet battalion in close combat will most likely be your death - even if you get to shoot them square in the chest many times, they'll charge at you shouting, stab you in the chest, fire the gun many times. Only then may they die, when they have performed their holy task of fucking the enemy's shit up.
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Postby Sevvania » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:50 pm

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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6028/598 ... 270b_b.jpg
Sevvanian Service Rifle - Standard Model


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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5235/591 ... f9ae_b.jpg
Sevvanian Service Rifle - Ceremonial Model

Thoughts? Questions? I even remembered the trigger this time.... :meh:
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Postby Galla- » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:01 pm

Altamirus wrote:not be a heat wuss Brit.


I missed this in his post.

This is applicable in more ways than he probably knows since I don't talk about Galla's geography. Galla is predominantly high mountains and Western European climate, with lots of cold winters and very mild summers. It rarely peaks 80 F in Galla during June. Genetic predisposition to be allergic to heat. dwi

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Postby Indeos » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:57 pm

Fischermann wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Lame. I love the back of the bolt, even if I only know what it looks like from down the sights because of RO.

Bah. If it's WWII era it should probably use a full BR cartridge.

Looking forward to it. Make sure to have the sword bayonet affixed on the posted pic.


It was made after WWII. Around 1950 or something.

---

The Revanov Automatic Rifle, a 7.62x45 automatic rifle that had selective fire capability and an ambixdetrous charging handle:

Image

This rifle was known for it's ruggedness during combat. The so called ''Bayonet Battalion'' which, obviously, used bayonets extensively, used this weapon to keep enemies in cover while they ran towards them, eventually gutting them with the bayonets. The Bayonet Trooper was the primary shocktrooper of the army until recent times - yet, they Bayonet Battalion still exists, experienced with 80 years of combat.

To face a soldier from the bayonet battalion in close combat will most likely be your death - even if you get to shoot them square in the chest many times, they'll charge at you shouting, stab you in the chest, fire the gun many times. Only then may they die, when they have performed their holy task of fucking the enemy's shit up.


Bayonet needs more crossguard on the front/bottom.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:58 pm

Bayonet looks like it is 7-10".

Add 10" onto that thing.
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Postby Indeos » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:00 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:Bayonet looks like it is 7-10".

Add 10" onto that thing.


If it's 7, add 11. If it's 10, add 8.
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Postby Vingtor » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:07 am

Been a long time since I posted on this thread but I come bearing a gift.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47923172/Comm ... shall-1951

The report that governs the way the US Military veiws infantry combat. This is more or less my Bible. In it's many pages contain such gems as

EFFECTIVE RANGES
The average effective infantry fire with weapons lighter than the machine gun
was consistently less than 200 yards. In no instance was it established, in the operations brought under survey, that any significant move by enemy forces had been stopped and
turned by rifle and carbine jire alone at ranges in excess of that figure.
This, perforce, limits the significance of the evaluation. It rarely happens in the
Korean fighting or elsewhere that a tactical situation of large order arises which tests
the effectiveness of the rifle alone as a stopping and killing agent. By the nature of
engagement, the infantry contest between opposing groups of riflemen is pretty much
confined to strong patrol actions, fire exchanges between small groups within a larger
skirmish, or last-ditch stands by companies which have emptied the ammunition from
heavier weapons in the earlier stages of the fight. In the latter situation, the contending
sides almost invariably close to within less than 150 yards before the climax is reached in which the position is held or lost according to rifle effectiveness.



THE BAYONET

MORE FOR MORALE
In most of what has been reported in the American press, and in part of what
has been circulated officially within the Army, the role of the bayonet in Korean operations
has been stressed far beyond its intrinsic importance, when the latter is estimated
in the very real terms of the battlefield and the thinking of troops about the weapon.
It is no doubt true, and subject to competent proof, that there has been more
legitimate bayonet fighting by our troops in Korea than by our armies of World War
I and II.
Largely because of this comparison, and partly because the upsurge of interest
in the bayonet and the exaggerated wave of publicity concerning bayonet action coincided
roughly with the beginning of American recovery, there is a tendency to credit
the bayonet with almost miraculous powers as a catalyst of the fighting spirit.
There is nothing particularly new about this supposed connection. Indeed, it
is because this view of things is so very old and traditional that it always reasserts itself
upon the slightest provocation. In Korea the bayonet advocates have a considerable
case based upon an impressive body of evidence -even when rumors and provedly
false reports are thrown out. The main question is whether the case as it stands is
being argued to a rational set of conclusions, or will serve once again to place undue
training emphasis upon the weapon and what it contributes to the build...
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Postby New Korongo » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:04 am

Image

The M1969A3, also known as Chan's Abomination, is an assault rifle chambered in the 7 x 45 mm Koro cartridge based on the G3 battle rifle. Many soldiers, since the first version of the M1969 was produced, have complained about the difficult angle of the magazine but Emperor Yik'in Chan K'awiil likes the magazine's design and has prevented modification.

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Fischermann
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Postby Fischermann » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:01 am

stupid image restrictions

now with more bayonet
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Postby Herador » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:08 am

I have three questions for you folks,
1) Would you recommend the L85A2 for a standard issue assault rifle?
2) If you don't, can you think of an alternate better bullpup?
3) Could a bullpup viably use 7.62 NATO?
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:24 am

Herador wrote:I have three questions for you folks,
1) Would you recommend the L85A2 for a standard issue assault rifle?
2) If you don't, can you think of an alternate better bullpup?
3) Could a bullpup viably use 7.62 NATO?


1: Sure, but there are better.
2: Keltec RFB
3: Keltec RFB.
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Postby Anemos Major » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:32 am

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Herador wrote:I have three questions for you folks,
1) Would you recommend the L85A2 for a standard issue assault rifle?
2) If you don't, can you think of an alternate better bullpup?
3) Could a bullpup viably use 7.62 NATO?


1: Sure, but there are better.
2: Keltec RFB
3: Keltec RFB.


Real men use French rifles.

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Postby Munathanura » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:46 am

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Herador wrote:I have three questions for you folks,
1) Would you recommend the L85A2 for a standard issue assault rifle?
2) If you don't, can you think of an alternate better bullpup?
3) Could a bullpup viably use 7.62 NATO?


1: Sure, but there are better.
2: Keltec RFB
3: Keltec RFB.


Adding to that, see if you can get Senestrum/RRoan to give you permission to use her awesome militarised RFB lineart.
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Postby Anemos Major » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:47 am

Munathanura wrote:Adding to that, see if you can get Senestrum/RRoan to give you permission to use her awesome militarised RFB lineart.


I think RRoan already gave that design to somebody else.

Does somebody know whether it fires in Auto, or whether RRoan's left it as a self-loading rifle?

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Postby Munathanura » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:49 am

Anemos Major wrote:
Munathanura wrote:Adding to that, see if you can get Senestrum/RRoan to give you permission to use her awesome militarised RFB lineart.


I think RRoan already gave that design to somebody else.

Does somebody know whether it fires in Auto, or whether RRoan's left it as a self-loading rifle?


Well, looking at the fire selector, it's either semi-auto or completely fully automatic. I'm pretty sure she left it as a SLR.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:01 am

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Herador wrote:I have three questions for you folks,
1) Would you recommend the L85A2 for a standard issue assault rifle?
2) If you don't, can you think of an alternate better bullpup?
3) Could a bullpup viably use 7.62 NATO?


1: Sure, but there are better.
2: Keltec RFB
3: Keltec RFB.

What would you suggest as better than an L85A2?
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Postby Fischermann » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:25 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:
1: Sure, but there are better.
2: Keltec RFB
3: Keltec RFB.

What would you suggest as better than an L85A2?


An AUG.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:27 am

Anemos Major wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:
1: Sure, but there are better.
2: Keltec RFB
3: Keltec RFB.


Real men use French rifles.

That's right.

Famasculinity.

Woo, sexy famas is sexy. Still not as hot as the QBZ-95 though (who doesn't find asian rifles attractive?).
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Fischermann
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Postby Fischermann » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:59 am

Image

now with more bayonet
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Postby Anemos Major » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:03 am

Fischermann wrote:(Image)

now with more bayonet


Probably needs a bit of a crossguard. Otherwise, smexy.

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