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Postby Cornelia- » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:07 pm

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The Royal Guard are the sol protectors of the Cornelian Crown, they are the lowest nobles in the tree. When they reach the age of 7 they start their training in combat, since then they wear their uniforms with pride. The Royal Guard is often lead by a member called the Kogi, the Kogi is the head member, it is translated to Commander. During the 17th century (ours not earths) they were formed to protect the King named Wilogo II during the possible invasion of the Hassang Empire. Ever since they stayed as the Guards of many Kingdoms, when the planet defeated the Concorchian Nation in space no longer than a few hundred years ago, they were adapted to become the Guards of the entire nations royal class. The prefer to fight with the up most of honor and are able to fight till their last breath, they do not kill unless it is needed and they are good swordsmen, even taking the time to challenge each other to a duel on their free times (and that term is very light.) Their uniform is made up of a special clothing which is "Fire proof" and they wear minimal shielding systems. They can be found guarding the Royal Palace at all times.

:Weapons:
Close Range:
-Diola (dagger)
-Greater sword
-Hand Axe
-Plasma Pistol (Specifically the A55 and SD17)
Mid range:
-Strangler SMG 14
-Bosho AR 15
-Grand Pike
-Halberd
Long range:
-Stater HC LMG
-Royal Long Rifle (Primary)




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Postby --Wagondia-- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:34 am

all is good except for the fact that they begin training at age 7. Isn't that a little young?
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Postby Deus in Machina » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:36 am

--Wagondia-- wrote:all is good except for the fact that they begin training at age 7. Isn't that a little young?

I disagree. It's far too old.

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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:06 pm

Deus in Machina wrote:
--Wagondia-- wrote:all is good except for the fact that they begin training at age 7. Isn't that a little young?

I disagree. It's far too old.

That is how we roll with the Royal Guard, that is the maximum age, by the parents consent they can start at 4.
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Postby Interstellar Britannia » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:21 pm

Terrible uniforms. Two base colours with no highlights, berets, and hideous poncho.

Training since the age of 7 is more a novelty then any sort of combat effectiveness. Schooling is generally better.

The fact that they do not aim to kill unless they have to is a massive detriment for all military purposes. If you hesitate they will get their brains blown away as they dispute the morality of killing.

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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:29 pm

Interstellar Britannia wrote:Terrible uniforms. Two base colours with no highlights, berets, and hideous poncho.

Training since the age of 7 is more a novelty then any sort of combat effectiveness. Schooling is generally better.

The fact that they do not aim to kill unless they have to is a massive detriment for all military purposes. If you hesitate they will get their brains blown away as they dispute the morality of killing.

They are not with the military, the can receive that training however, they are apart of the Government, a private force to help protect them.

OCC: and if the OP says otherwise, ignore it, I was tired off my ass when I wrote it.
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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:44 pm

anyone else?
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:06 pm

Like the layout, now for some problems.

1. Training from a very young age does little in modern combat, before gunpowder bows required a lot of strength, and all melee weapons r required significant unit cohesion (like a phalanx) or individual skill could always be improved (like wielding a long sword). Really, the most you should do is give them a regular education with significant focus on physical education, marksmanship, and national and military history (the former for nationalism).

2. Your uniform suggests a mostly ceremonial role, but your equipment suggests a practical role. If they are only going to fulfill a bodyguard/ceremonial role they only need ceremonial weapons (swords, spears, or halberds) and CQB weapons (pistols, SMGs, and perhaps assault rifles and shotguns). If they are going to fulfill a mostly practical role make the uniform more practical by using camouflage or a dull single coloured uniform (grey, khaki, green, and blue (dull blue, like a blue/grey colour, not sky blue, neon blue, or dark blue) all work).

3. Those eyes! They are the eyes of the devil. Huge and soulless.
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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:13 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Like the layout, now for some problems.

1. Training from a very young age does little in modern combat, before gunpowder bows required a lot of strength, and all melee weapons r required significant unit cohesion (like a phalanx) or individual skill could always be improved (like wielding a long sword). Really, the most you should do is give them a regular education with significant focus on physical education, marksmanship, and national and military history (the former for nationalism).

2. Your uniform suggests a mostly ceremonial role, but your equipment suggests a practical role. If they are only going to fulfill a bodyguard/ceremonial role they only need ceremonial weapons (swords, spears, or halberds) and CQB weapons (pistols, SMGs, and perhaps assault rifles and shotguns). If they are going to fulfill a mostly practical role make the uniform more practical by using camouflage or a dull single coloured uniform (grey, khaki, green, and blue (dull blue, like a blue/grey colour, not sky blue, neon blue, or dark blue) all work).

3. Those eyes! They are the eyes of the devil. Huge and soulless.

Well we did evolve into night light animals, we hunted mostly in the night and slept mostly in the day.

Anyways they wear flame retardant clothes (I think that is the term) and feature personal shielding. The Long Rifle is the primary gun and the others are used rarely (only in times of conflict where serious fire power is needed.)
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:44 pm

Cornelia- wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Like the layout, now for some problems.

1. Training from a very young age does little in modern combat, before gunpowder bows required a lot of strength, and all melee weapons r required significant unit cohesion (like a phalanx) or individual skill could always be improved (like wielding a long sword). Really, the most you should do is give them a regular education with significant focus on physical education, marksmanship, and national and military history (the former for nationalism).

2. Your uniform suggests a mostly ceremonial role, but your equipment suggests a practical role. If they are only going to fulfill a bodyguard/ceremonial role they only need ceremonial weapons (swords, spears, or halberds) and CQB weapons (pistols, SMGs, and perhaps assault rifles and shotguns). If they are going to fulfill a mostly practical role make the uniform more practical by using camouflage or a dull single coloured uniform (grey, khaki, green, and blue (dull blue, like a blue/grey colour, not sky blue, neon blue, or dark blue) all work).

3. Those eyes! They are the eyes of the devil. Huge and soulless.

Well we did evolve into night light animals, we hunted mostly in the night and slept mostly in the day.

Anyways they wear flame retardant clothes (I think that is the term) and feature personal shielding. The Long Rifle is the primary gun and the others are used rarely (only in times of conflict where serious fire power is needed.)

That didn't really answer points 1 or 2. The training is unnecessary, and the uniform is too bright for a practical army.
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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:48 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Cornelia- wrote:Well we did evolve into night light animals, we hunted mostly in the night and slept mostly in the day.

Anyways they wear flame retardant clothes (I think that is the term) and feature personal shielding. The Long Rifle is the primary gun and the others are used rarely (only in times of conflict where serious fire power is needed.)

That didn't really answer points 1 or 2. The training is unnecessary, and the uniform is too bright for a practical army.

Not a army, they are Guards, and the training is a simple heritage related thing, a tradition of noble blood to start early. It doesn't help that the average Long Rifle is a heavy weapon and only a long amount of training and teach someone to use it, then there is the fact of proper swordsmanship.

OOC Edit: Military uniforms look more like this (but with more future stuff obviously)
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however they are being faded out with the new Covenant Armor that NHC is IC wise making.
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Postby Helghast empire » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:49 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Cornelia- wrote:Well we did evolve into night light animals, we hunted mostly in the night and slept mostly in the day.

Anyways they wear flame retardant clothes (I think that is the term) and feature personal shielding. The Long Rifle is the primary gun and the others are used rarely (only in times of conflict where serious fire power is needed.)

That didn't really answer points 1 or 2. The training is unnecessary, and the uniform is too bright for a practical army.



He should wear dull colors like i do!, nothing makes the world better then boring monochrome :)

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Postby Stolitland » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:49 pm

The uniform is bright, broad, and solid, presenting a perfectly shootable target that can't really be mistaken for anything else.

The arms also appear to restrict movement, although that might just be the angle.

There is also too much variation between melee weapons and ranged weapons. A security/guarding force may have contact ranges measured in mere feet indoors, step outdoors, and suddenly have a contact range of 600 yards on in. Repeatedly shifting weapons will slow them down and entitle more prepared forces to pick them off. Carrying all those weapons at once will be extremely heavy and burdensome.

Otherwise, everything looks good.
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Postby Helghast empire » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:50 pm

Cornelia- wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:That didn't really answer points 1 or 2. The training is unnecessary, and the uniform is too bright for a practical army.

Not a army, they are Guards, and the training is a simple heritage related thing, a tradition of noble blood to start early. It doesn't help that the average Long Rifle is a heavy weapon and only a long amount of training and teach someone to use it, then there is the fact of proper swordsmanship.


if that's the case then what is protecting you?, are the guards your only defense for the country?

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Postby Free Caramanians » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:50 pm

WTF is that an elf in a poncho and beret? :eyebrow: :? uuum :unsure: well :?: :palm:

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:53 pm

Cornelia- wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:That didn't really answer points 1 or 2. The training is unnecessary, and the uniform is too bright for a practical army.

Not a army, they are Guards, and the training is a simple heritage related thing, a tradition of noble blood to start early. It doesn't help that the average Long Rifle is a heavy weapon and only a long amount of training and teach someone to use it, then there is the fact of proper swordsmanship.

If they are only guards why give them LMGs and other weapons that are useless for protecting people and not really attractive. Also, start the training later, they still need a basic education, like how to add and multiply.
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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:55 pm

Free Caramanians wrote:WTF is that an elf in a poncho and beret? :eyebrow: :? uuum :unsure: well :?: :palm:

Not a Poncho, a frontal cape thank you, and Berets are popular head dresses, if your going to Smiley spam then don't post.

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Cornelia- wrote:Not a army, they are Guards, and the training is a simple heritage related thing, a tradition of noble blood to start early. It doesn't help that the average Long Rifle is a heavy weapon and only a long amount of training and teach someone to use it, then there is the fact of proper swordsmanship.


if that's the case then what is protecting you?, are the guards your only defense for the country?

Nope, however the Covenant does have enemies outside the coalition, such as Covenant separatist and Praetorian Separatist.

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Cornelia- wrote:Not a army, they are Guards, and the training is a simple heritage related thing, a tradition of noble blood to start early. It doesn't help that the average Long Rifle is a heavy weapon and only a long amount of training and teach someone to use it, then there is the fact of proper swordsmanship.

If they are only guards why give them LMGs and other weapons that are useless for protecting people and not really attractive. Also, start the training later, they still need a basic education, like how to add and multiply.

School is only a year, simple yet slow learning using a special forerunner artifact helps the mind learn at incredible rates, we are still trying to find out how it works, now I won't get into that but the LMG is only used in state of emergency, heck, even the Officers have them locked up, you will never see them use it unless we are invaded.
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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:58 pm

Stolitland wrote:The uniform is bright, broad, and solid, presenting a perfectly shootable target that can't really be mistaken for anything else.

1. The arms also appear to restrict movement, although that might just be the angle.

There is also too much variation between melee weapons and ranged weapons. A security/guarding force may have contact ranges measured in mere feet indoors, step outdoors, and suddenly have a contact range of 600 yards on in. 2. Repeatedly shifting weapons will slow them down and entitle more prepared forces to pick them off. 3. Carrying all those weapons at once will be extremely heavy and burdensome.

Otherwise, everything looks good.

1. It is a frontal Cape, the arms are free to move with ease.
2. As said, only a sword, dagger, pistol and the Long Rifle are used unless there is a extreme national emergency.
3. refer to above.
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Postby New Robotalica » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:07 pm

They're nothing to the Drone Royal' Gaurd, which is all I can say compartivly. I doubt your Gaurd can literally kick a stone wall in with their foot. But Otherwise its aequate for a human. However, Seven? Seven years of Uselessness? Drones are put into Action upon creation.
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Postby Stolitland » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:11 pm

The point about weight still holds. The sword and dagger will do nothing that a standard knife and firearm will not, except get in the way and increase fatigue for your security personnel. Too many weapons for too little use.

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Postby Helghast empire » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:12 pm

New Robotalica wrote:They're nothing to the Drone Royal' Gaurd, which is all I can say compartivly. I doubt your Gaurd can literally kick a stone wall in with their foot. But Otherwise its aequate for a human. However, Seven? Seven years of Uselessness? Drones are put into Action upon creation.


well you really can't compare drones to humans, it's really unfair with the abilities robotic soldiers can have. try to compare them to other humans, to compare them with drones would just be too harsh, i mean even with my soldiers, my only strength against you is numbers and the fact that neither of us could invade each other because the defenses would rip each other apart. and on top of that you can create lots of troops at a time while my people's fanaticism and loyalty to helghan will drive them crazy to fight back.

overall my point is to compare his royal guard in a fairer way, maybe try thinking your robots as humans and then compare them, who knows :l

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Postby Helghast empire » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:13 pm

Stolitland wrote:The point about weight still holds. The sword and dagger will do nothing that a standard knife and firearm will not, except get in the way and increase fatigue for your security personnel. Too many weapons for too little use.

The frontal cape, if unsecured on the bottom, will flop around and repeatedly get in the way of daily tasks and will inhibit bringing a weapon to bear quickly.


what I'm worried is that his guard isn't even wearing any ballistic armor, i don't see it.

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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:14 pm

New Robotalica wrote:They're nothing to the Drone Royal' Gaurd, which is all I can say compartivly. I doubt your Gaurd can literally kick a stone wall in with their foot. But Otherwise its aequate for a human. However, Seven? Seven years of Uselessness? Drones are put into Action upon creation.

Aegi, do humans have large eyes and pointed ears? and I hope to god you don't get started with Theltainia, he is coming back soon to kick ass and i cannot wait, so we will finally see and I will watch, I always wanted to see you two meat. Damn, I just realized I get into the most useless ramblings sometimes, just contact me in my telegram but unless you have any constructive help or questions, there is no need to post.


also yes they can kick a stone wall in with their foot, it is called metal, gel and shielding, and I don't mean the second part literally.

Stolitland wrote:The point about weight still holds. The sword and dagger will do nothing that a standard knife and firearm will not, except get in the way and increase fatigue for your security personnel. Too many weapons for too little use.

The frontal cape, if unsecured on the bottom, will flop around and repeatedly get in the way of daily tasks and will inhibit bringing a weapon to bear quickly.

You have no idea how we operate do you?

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Stolitland wrote:The point about weight still holds. The sword and dagger will do nothing that a standard knife and firearm will not, except get in the way and increase fatigue for your security personnel. Too many weapons for too little use.

The frontal cape, if unsecured on the bottom, will flop around and repeatedly get in the way of daily tasks and will inhibit bringing a weapon to bear quickly.


what I'm worried is that his guard isn't even wearing any ballistic armor, i don't see it.

behind basic clothes, standard meta plate with a personal shielding generator in the back.
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Postby Stolitland » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:15 pm

Cornelia- wrote:You have no idea how we operate do you?


Your guard does not guard?
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Postby Cornelia- » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:19 pm

Stolitland wrote:
Cornelia- wrote:You have no idea how we operate do you?


Your guard does not guard?

:palm:

Cornelia- wrote:
Stolitland wrote:1. The point about weight still holds. The sword and dagger will do nothing that a standard knife and firearm will not, 2. except get in the way and increase fatigue for your security personnel. Too many weapons for too little use.

3. The frontal cape, if unsecured on the bottom, will flop around and repeatedly get in the way of daily tasks and will inhibit bringing a weapon to bear quickly.

You have no idea how we operate do you?

1. The dagger is a melee weapon used with the sword, both are plasma based technology are are lightweight.
2. How?
3. How?

Edit: also can someone link me to some good MS soldiers that look FT or something?
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