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Amastol currently issues the Model 9C (combat)in .44 AUC (11x25mm) to most military personnel, with SOF receiving the Model 9T in limited numbers. The M9E, and M9D are both popular locally among law enforcement and federal judges as primary and concealed back up weapons.

The United States Military is one of few military forces that still maintains a standardization in 'sidearm' equipment; what is in use is listed below.

The United States Army utilizes the M1911A1 as their standard primary sidearm, whether or not soldiers carry them into battle is irrelevant, they all get one.

The United States Army Airborne utilizes the M1911A1 as ---etc, see above.

The United States Army Special Forces --- See above.

The United States Marine Corps --- See above.

The United States Navy --- See above.

We all here know what the M1911A1 looks like; no need for images.

Kalumba rarely issues sidearms but when it does the M1911 is the usual weapon. For certain operations the Desert Eagle is used.

The CZ-75.

The Makarov PM 9X18mm

MP 44



MP 40



MG 42



And more German weapons...

Either you got 'sidearm' completely wrong, or your soldiers are XBAWKS HUEG

Koniggratzer wrote:MP 44

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MP 40

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MG 42

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And more German weapons...

Yeah, those aren't sidearms. You want the Main Military Weapon thread: Here.

SIG-Sauer P226 Double Action in .40SW

The M1911A1 is the standard-issue sidearm of the CEV Military.

the BRWP-12.4 handgun

The official sidearm of the Lamonian Military and Police Forces is the MYS Sh88 pistol, chambered in 10 mm auto.



http://z4.invisionfree.invalid/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=6624

Pistols are occasionally issued to Samozniy forces, but are rarely used, except by plainclothes Spetsnaz, the police force and officials as emergency sidearms.

Instead, the Samozniy armed forces doles out the Scion Defence MP5KS in its millions, to any unit that will accept it.

Being based on an MP5K, it's lightweight and durable, and fires a 6.8mm high powered cartridge making it an ideal weapon as a secondary - as well as high close range stopping power, the heavy round (coupled with automatic fire) mean that such a PDW-type weapon is much more effective at medium range than a standard pistol.
Whilst not frequently issued to Regular forces riflemen (who prefer to forgo the secondary weapon in favour of additional ammunition, supplies or occasionally a much heavier SA-CS-1 Grizzly combat shotgun), it is the common secondary weapon to Spetsnaz, Shock Vanguards, heavy weapons specialists and snipers, and is typically the primary weapon of aircrew, armoured vehicle crew, non-marine naval crew (for defence against boarders) and artillery gunners.
It is also issued to almost every standing police force member in the People's Republic, especially Riot Crews in addition to the Grizzly combat shotgun. The exception is civilian 'Air Marshall' crews, armed with low-calibre pistols, and also motorcycle traffic police, who also favour much lighter pistols.

Novariea wrote:

Koniggratzer wrote:MP 44

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MP 40

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MG 42

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And more German weapons...

Yeah, those aren't sidearms. You want the Main Military Weapon thread: Here.

MP 40 is in all techinacality a sidearm, for being a machine pistol.

New Zepuha wrote:

Novariea wrote:
Yeah, those aren't sidearms. You want the Main Military Weapon thread: Here.

MP 40 is in all techinacality a sidearm, for being a machine pistol.

Whilst it may have been designated a Machine Pistol, so was the MP5N and the MP44 (better known as the STG44), both of which are rifle-length or at least carbine-length weapons.
My MP5KS is cutting it incredibly fine for 'sidearm' and is considerably smaller than any of those weapons. The MP40 was also doled out as a primary weapon, thus negating the point that it's supposed to be a 'sidearm'.

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Pistols are occasionally issued to Samozniy forces, but are rarely used, except by plainclothes Spetsnaz, the police force and officials as emergency sidearms.

Instead, the Samozniy armed forces doles out the Scion Defence MP5KS in its millions, to any unit that will accept it.
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I like your idea, the accuracy of the delayed blowback operation combined with the accuracy of the 6.8spc would be great. I think the real future holds a weapon similar to this. Arcas special forces must procure some for testing. It may serve well as a back up weapon for tank crews.

However this weapon is not in any way a PDW as it uses rifle ammo, carrying spare mags would be cumbersome and unjustifiable considering you already have a primary weapon. This weapon is an ShortBarreledRifle or SMG. However i must question how you deal with the muzzle flash from a 6? inch barrel. This weapon must double as a flare gun. It bares much resemblence to the Knights armament PDW which uses a heavy 6x35mm round from a 7 or 10in barrel to provide greater energy at short range, similar to the 6.8

It's only a backup (or a weapon of last resort, for crews to which it is issued as a primary), so muzzle flash isn't a consideration made.
Soldiers who are genuinely concerned are encouraged to modify it via the Samozniy Technical Improvement Facility by adding custom flash hiders, and in some cases, suppressors.

[OOC]It wasn't a consideration I made when I bought them, TBH That'd be something you asked Sciox as a design point.
But I deploy these as sidearms on the basis that my military thinks "Yes, that produces large numbers in its statistics. Deploy it." So instead of pistols, my troops get rifle-calibre 'SMGs' as backup

Namabian Inf. ~ The M9
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m9.htm

Namabian Officers ~ Colt Revolver
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/38spec.jpg

Namabian Elite(AKA: Special Forces) ~ M1911
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1911a1.htm


You might be wondering, why do the standard troops get the lovely M9 and the Elite and Officers don't? Standard tradition in Namabia. The older weapons show you are more experienced and know how to wield some of the finest guns in history.

@Samozaryadnyastan: Wouldn't it technically be a sub-carbine rather than an SMG if it's chambered in an intermediate round?

Novariea wrote:@Samozaryadnyastan: Wouldn't it technically be a sub-carbine rather than an SMG if it's chambered in an intermediate round?

Probably.
I've not heard of that designation before o_0

Sig Sauer P220

Novariea wrote:@Samozaryadnyastan: Wouldn't it technically be a sub-carbine rather than an SMG if it's chambered in an intermediate round?

Its a very very grey area and varies upon who you talk to and when you talk to them For long enough HK advertised the HK-53 as an SMG and according to thier own internal naming conventions thats what it was. of coruse the fact that it was aimed squarely at a market that was looking for something to supplement and/or repalce thier MP5s might have had something to do with it.

Micro carbine/sub carbines/ rifle calibre SMGs don't really have a 100% accurate description under any heading so they all work, heck even PDW works if the weapon is used for that role.


Anyway.

The standard sidearm of the Crookfur Armed Forces is the PX3A1 although a whole host of other sidearms can be found in Crookfur servcie, particularly amoungst the Special Forces Community.

Beretta 92

Arca majours standard military sidearm is the SigP226 issued in .357sig in either Ball, AP or Subsonic. Its standard magazine holds 12 rounds but 22 round magazines are available on the open market.

Its description is an offensive pistol for personal defence. Intended to allow the soldier to defend themselves until they can procure a primary weapon. The standard velocity cartridge fires a 125grain bullet at 1450fps, which is capable of similar damage to the .45acp but at longer ranges and with a flatter trajectory, when equipped with an armour piercing steel penetrater the round can defeat most body armour types. This follows the doctrines of;
"all pistol calibers are inferior"
"heavy weapons build stamina"
"4+inch barrels for front line pistols"
"High velocity armour piercing cartridge"



Arcan officers and specialists are issued with the MP9 machine pistol in special 9mm+P+AP, it comes with 30round mags and is capable of 900rpm.

The description is a PDW wich can be carried by second line personelle who might not be issued with a rifle or find one combersome due to carrying other equipment or being off duty. However it does not replace the rifle, it replaces the sidearm.

'Rook' Pistolyet

Double Action Only
Short Recoil
Caliber .40 cal
Magazine 15 rounds