Your Nation's Elite Guard

[Red Tide2]

It is pretty unfair to use the .50 BMG, a machinegun designed to face light vehicles, against a sword.

Regardless the katana still managed to survive numerous bullets, which struck the same location.

Actually, given recoil and bullet spread, it probably took something like a dozen rounds. The guy who would be holding the sword, on the other hand, would have more holes then swiss cheese from the hundreds of rounds that went by and hit him.

And lo, is the problem. Unless your lucky enough to get the drop on the guy, in the time it takes you to close distance and swing the sword he will have put at least five rounds through your body. And if you do get the drop on him, you better pray he doesn't have a buddy or you will be quite dead before you have even finished fully finished the blow.

[Interstellar Britannia]

Actually, given recoil and bullet spread, it probably took something like a dozen rounds. The guy who would be holding the sword, on the other hand, would have more holes then swiss cheese from the hundreds of rounds that went by and hit him.

And lo, is the problem. Unless your lucky enough to get the drop on the guy, in the time it takes you to close distance and swing the sword he will have put at least five rounds through your body. And if you do get the drop on him, you better pray he doesn't have a buddy or you will be quite dead before you have even finished fully finished the blow.

Assuming of course, that the shooter retains his composure and aims rather then being paralysed in shock of a screaming man with a sword, fumbling with the safety, and firing on full automatic to no effect before throwing up his hands.

Melee weapons have never caused many casualties, ever since ancient times. Their effect is largely psychological.

[Khazyan]

Actually, given recoil and bullet spread, it probably took something like a dozen rounds. The guy who would be holding the sword, on the other hand, would have more holes then swiss cheese from the hundreds of rounds that went by and hit him.

And lo, is the problem. Unless your lucky enough to get the drop on the guy, in the time it takes you to close distance and swing the sword he will have put at least five rounds through your body. And if you do get the drop on him, you better pray he doesn't have a buddy or you will be quite dead before you have even finished fully finished the blow.

Assuming of course, that the shooter retains his composure and aims rather then being paralysed in shock of a screaming man with a sword, fumbling with the safety, and firing on full automatic to no effect before throwing up his hands.

Melee weapons have never caused many casualties, ever since ancient times. Their effect is largely psychological.

And this, good sir, is why 1500s Khazyan issued arquebuses to almost all of its soldiers. Well, also because we are rich as shit.

[Tierra Prime]

Guards Marshal: Svetlana Borischenko I
Headquarters: Imperial Palace, Keroslav
Total Personnel: 3,000,000
Active Personnel: 2,000,000
Reserve Personnel: 1,000,000

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The Imperial Guard is a elite guard unit tasked with the protection of the Emperor and his family. They are almost never seen without a detachment of Imperial Guards at their side, so much that they usually accompany them to their bed chambers. The Imperial Guard is the successor to the Republics former Republican Guard. The exact number of Imperial Guards serving the Emperor is currently three million, or three Guards Army Groups. Currently only two of the three Army Groups are in Active service, the other one is serving as Reserve since the current number of active Guards is more than enough for the protection of the Imperial Family and other activities.

Each member of the Guard wears standard Black Dekan MK-II Power Armour, this Power Armour, a slight improvement over the MK-I version, enhances their strength and speed, and provides them with light personal Shields capable of deflecting one or two shots before needing a recharge. The Power Armour is most well known for it's adaptation system, this adapts as it's name suggests to any environment and allows the wearer to fight anywhere including artic climates and in space. It is also equipped with a medical system that can dispense drugs during battle, this helps to keep the Guard fighting for as long as he/she can. The standard issue weapon is a main Railgun of some type and light Rail Pistol.

Due to their extensive training and reputation they are regularly employed as Bodyguards for others. High Government members such as Imperial Ministers are usually protected by at least eight, if not more. Although some would prefer to use their own Guards, an Imperial Guard is always near no matter what.

Several Imperial Guards work in conjunction with the Imperial Army, forming Elite units that can easily take out enemy forces even when outnumbered. One of the most famous units is the 2nd Guards Legion that is currently stationed on Tierra Prime, this unit is deployed only when all others have failed and is considered the second best in the entire Empire, right behind the 1st Guards Legion that currently protects the Emperor, his family, and their possessions.

[Red Tide2]

Assuming of course, that the shooter retains his composure and aims rather then being paralysed in shock of a screaming man with a sword,

If they are a trained soldier, their first instinct is going to be to open fire. Maintaining composure in combat and instilling the proper instincts (such as aiming and firing) is one of the major purposes of basic training.

fumbling with the safety,

Why is the safety on when they know there are (possibly) enemies nearby? Sounds like these aren't very good soldiers.

and firing on full automatic to no effect before throwing up his hands.

Why would there be no effect? Is the man not aiming? Even if the enemy is wearing level-4 body armor (which is goddamn heavy), an assault rifle with decent-quality ammunition would still cause severe bruises and even break some ribs. Put a three round burst at the mans center mass, at least two will hit. If the man doesn't drop, you keep shooting.

Melee weapons have never caused many casualties, ever since ancient times. Their effect is largely psychological.

Against the ill-trained, yeah... I guess.

[Akorom]

The Grand Akoromian Elite Force, or as they are known at home, the Akor-Lehs

[Interstellar Britannia]

If they are a trained soldier, their first instinct is going to be to open fire. Maintaining composure in combat and instilling the proper instincts (such as aiming and firing) is one of the major purposes of basic training.

Attempting to kill people is against natural instinct. Among trained soldiers roughly 10% actually aim to kill, the others make noise.

Above both of this is the natural instinct for self preservation, hence why people duck into cover when under suppressive fire, and run away when crazy fuckers are coming at them with sharp objects.

The purpose of basic training is to acquaint soldiers with weapons and to get them to listen to their superiors. As it takes too much time to overwrite natural instincts, it is easier indoctrinate soldiers to follow orders without thinking, like area firing.

Why is the safety on when they know there are (possibly) enemies nearby? Sounds like these aren't very good soldiers.

Safety should always be on until bullets start flying. Soldiers spent 99% of their time marching, 1% in actual combat. Having safety on saves lives.

and firing on full automatic to no effect before throwing up his hands.

Why would there be no effect? Is the man not aiming? Even if the enemy is wearing level-4 body armor (which is goddamn heavy), an assault rifle with decent-quality ammunition would still cause severe bruises and even break some ribs. Put a three round burst at the mans center mass, at least two will hit. If the man doesn't drop, you keep shooting.

That is assuming you hit, which on automatic is a rare thing. And again in combat, the human condition goes against exposing oneself to danger, hence why NCO's are necessary to ensure every man is on the firing line and shooting towards the enemy.

Against the ill-trained, yeah... I guess.

Against anyone that finds the thought of being gutted unappealing.

[Omensa]

The Holy Royal Dragoon Guards

[Malgrave]

If they are a trained soldier, their first instinct is going to be to open fire. Maintaining composure in combat and instilling the proper instincts (such as aiming and firing) is one of the major purposes of basic training.

Attempting to kill people is against natural instinct. Among trained soldiers roughly 10% actually aim to kill, the others make noise.

Above both of this is the natural instinct for self preservation, hence why people duck into cover when under suppressive fire, and run away when crazy fuckers are coming at them with sharp objects.

The purpose of basic training is to acquaint soldiers with weapons and to get them to listen to their superiors. As it takes too much time to overwrite natural instincts, it is easier indoctrinate soldiers to follow orders without thinking, like area firing.

Why is the safety on when they know there are (possibly) enemies nearby? Sounds like these aren't very good soldiers.

Safety should always be on until bullets start flying. Soldiers spent 99% of their time marching, 1% in actual combat. Having safety on saves lives.

and firing on full automatic to no effect before throwing up his hands.

Why would there be no effect? Is the man not aiming? Even if the enemy is wearing level-4 body armor (which is goddamn heavy), an assault rifle with decent-quality ammunition would still cause severe bruises and even break some ribs. Put a three round burst at the mans center mass, at least two will hit. If the man doesn't drop, you keep shooting.

That is assuming you hit, which on automatic is a rare thing. And again in combat, the human condition goes against exposing oneself to danger, hence why NCO's are necessary to ensure every man is on the firing line and shooting towards the enemy.

Against the ill-trained, yeah... I guess.

Against anyone that finds the thought of being gutted unappealing.

You clearly don't know anything about the military. I'll put this into context with the Royal Malgravean Guards.

The Royal Malgravean Guard's are hand-picked soldiers from the Malgravean Special Forces, Marines, Army and Paratrooper division, although they have received adequate training they are sent to another training course for several months were they undergo some of the toughest training imaginable.

When facing your situation. A man with a sword attacking the Royal Malgravean Government, human reaction'd don't matter. The Malgravean Soldier becomes a simple machine, simply raise the gun, deactivate the safety and shoot to kill. Nice three round burst around the vital organs should do the trick, oh and Malgravean Guards carry bayonets for any fool attempting close range combat.

That's actually considering your sword wielding madman has actually managed to get past the Perimeter that is constantly monitored by members of the Malgravean Special Forces, Investigative Sector and Military Police. Putting it simply your attacker would be dead as soon as even thought about raising his crappy sword. Military training overwhelms pathetic civilian urges. People here are talking about their nation's most elite sector of their armed forces not some poorly training conscript army.

[Sabonja]

We have two differnt elite guard branches. The Imperial Guard and the Republic Guard.

Republic guard protects the congress



The Imperial Guard protects the President

[Interstellar Britannia]

You clearly don't know anything about the military. I'll put this into context with the Royal Malgravean Guards.

The Royal Malgravean Guard's are hand-picked soldiers from the Malgravean Special Forces, Marines, Army and Paratrooper division, although they have received adequate training they are sent to another training course for several months were they undergo some of the toughest training imaginable.

When facing your situation. A man with a sword attacking the Royal Malgravean Government, human reaction'd don't matter. The Malgravean Soldier becomes a simple machine, simply raise the gun, deactivate the safety and shoot to kill. Nice three round burst around the vital organs should do the trick, oh and Malgravean Guards carry bayonets for any fool attempting close range combat.

That's actually considering your sword wielding madman has actually managed to get past the Perimeter that is constantly monitored by members of the Malgravean Special Forces, Investigative Sector and Military Police. Putting it simply your attacker would be dead as soon as even thought about raising his crappy sword. Military training overwhelms pathetic civilian urges. People here are talking about their nation's most elite sector of their armed forces not some poorly training conscript army.

Typically ones Super Special Elite Forces are NOT automaton machines, because Special forces require a great degree of individual initiative to do their job. But of course burst fire gave away the fact that your elite aren't really up to snuff.

Also I love how you face a single madman with a sword with your entire special forces division. Remind me to send a heroic Ensign out to summon your best into artillery fire.

[Red Tide2]

Attempting to kill people is against natural instinct. Among trained soldiers roughly 10% actually aim to kill, the others make noise.

Technically they do aim to kill, but that's only if they get lucky. It's called surpressing fire.

Above both of this is the natural instinct for self preservation, hence why people duck into cover when under suppressive fire,

They duck into cover because that's ideal for their survival. The untrained freeze up and then panic.

and run away when crazy fuckers are coming at them with sharp objects.

The untrained try and run. The trained react the way that will maximize their survival, which in this case is too shoot that 'crazy fucker'.

The purpose of basic training is to acquaint soldiers with weapons and to get them to listen to their superiors. As it takes too much time to overwrite natural instincts, it is easier indoctrinate soldiers to follow orders without thinking, like area firing.

Both US Marine and Army training does overwrite this instinct to one degree or the other. It certainly would help that the other guy is trying to kill you. It's much easier to shoot a man charging you with a sword while screaming at the top of his lungs then it would be if he was just standing there watching you silently.

Safety should always be on until bullets start flying. Soldiers spent 99% of their time marching, 1% in actual combat. Having safety on saves lives.

Correction: safeties should always be on until you are in the combat area, in which case you should just exercise trigger discipline and whatever they call that rule about always aiming at the ground.

That is assuming you hit, which on automatic is a rare thing.

They will if they are trained soldiers, in which case they quickly turn to the target, snap up at the center-mass, and fire. They don't take time to fully process the situation consciously because they are dead if they do.

And again in combat, the human condition goes against exposing oneself to danger,

Of course. But in this case they aren't being shot at, they are being charged by a man with a sword. Taking cover would just be a waste of time they could spend shooting the guy, thus destroying the danger.

Against anyone that finds the thought of being gutted unappealing.

If you find the thought of being gutted unappealing, then you have little problem shooting the guy trying to gut you.

[Interstellar Britannia]

Technically they do aim to kill, but that's only if they get lucky. It's called surpressing fire.

Suppressing fire is the opposite of aiming to kill. It is escalated fire in order to pin the enemy, usually to allow another unit to move and flank them, or assault with grenades.

They duck into cover because that's ideal for their survival. The untrained freeze up and then panic.

Indeed, but there is no reason for them to go back and expose themselves. Unless there is an NCO around to slap them back up.

The untrained try and run. The trained react the way that will maximize their survival, which in this case is too shoot that 'crazy fucker'.

True. However this is only valid if the soldier believes his comrades are capable of stopping the enemy. If the enemy manages to engage closer with superior numbers and look to be unstoppable, the general reaction then is to flee, save for the few diehards.

Both US Marine and Army training does overwrite this instinct to one degree or the other. It certainly would help that the other guy is trying to kill you. It's much easier to shoot a man charging you with a sword while screaming at the top of his lungs then it would be if he was just standing there watching you silently.

Usually dehumanisation is the best solution. Secondary solutions revolve around fire discipline. The charging soldier requires support in order to psychologically render the opposition incapable of shooting him, or to provide too many targets for an individual to handle and hence cause the opponent to flee.

Correction: safeties should always be on until you are in the combat area, in which case you should just exercise trigger discipline and whatever they call that rule about always aiming at the ground.

Combat areas are difficult to determine.

They will if they are trained soldiers, in which case they quickly turn to the target, snap up at the center-mass, and fire. They don't take time to fully process the situation consciously because they are dead if they do.

Of course. But in this case they aren't being shot at, they are being charged by a man with a sword. Taking cover would just be a waste of time they could spend shooting the guy, thus destroying the danger.

Of course, the charging man requires either fire support, mass numbers, or to ambush his opponent within ten feet. However anyone with a weapon is always a threat.

[Azaca]

Tag

[San Havana]

We have the Presidential Guard, primarily protective roles for not only the president and his familar but for top congressman, ministers and top politicians. They are a well-trained uniformed service with field offices all around the nation but mostly based in the capital Old Havana.

[Malgrave]

You clearly don't know anything about the military. I'll put this into context with the Royal Malgravean Guards.

The Royal Malgravean Guard's are hand-picked soldiers from the Malgravean Special Forces, Marines, Army and Paratrooper division, although they have received adequate training they are sent to another training course for several months were they undergo some of the toughest training imaginable.

When facing your situation. A man with a sword attacking the Royal Malgravean Government, human reaction'd don't matter. The Malgravean Soldier becomes a simple machine, simply raise the gun, deactivate the safety and shoot to kill. Nice three round burst around the vital organs should do the trick, oh and Malgravean Guards carry bayonets for any fool attempting close range combat.

That's actually considering your sword wielding madman has actually managed to get past the Perimeter that is constantly monitored by members of the Malgravean Special Forces, Investigative Sector and Military Police. Putting it simply your attacker would be dead as soon as even thought about raising his crappy sword. Military training overwhelms pathetic civilian urges. People here are talking about their nation's most elite sector of their armed forces not some poorly training conscript army.

Typically ones Super Special Elite Forces are NOT automaton machines, because Special forces require a great degree of individual initiative to do their job. But of course burst fire gave away the fact that your elite aren't really up to snuff.

Also I love how you face a single madman with a sword with your entire special forces division. Remind me to send a heroic Ensign out to summon your best into artillery fire.

You do understand that accurate bursts of fire is the best way to take down an approaching target. Automon's can also work as part of a collective and keep initiative. Although I mostly meant shutting term as a term to define not fumbling around like some conscript recruit like you said would happen previously.

It's also funny how you assume that your madmen is getting the attention of an entire special forces division. I merely stated that this madmen would of had to get past outer security that is monitored by the Malgravean Special Forces, it's like your claiming that the entire Secret Service would take down a man attacking the President. It's pretty amusing. It's simple the nearest 2/3 soldiers would engage the madman and easily take him.

[Diakel]

the really special ones ride polar bears in power armor

[Strajalands]

The Grand Ducal army
Grand Ducal Ceremonial Guard


Commanding officer: col. Aurel Boroi
HQ: Special Battalion garnison, Orszeta
Presonnel: 450 operating officers, 97 logistics, HQ and civil
Tasks: Protection of the Grand Duke and the royal family, providnig nation-vide Counter-Terrorism protection and assistance to the local SWAT.

GDCG is splitted into 10 platoons
1. platoon- protection of Grand Duke and the royal family
2. platoon- protection of foregin dignitaries while on strajalands soil
3. platoon- HQ and logistics support
4,5,6,7,8,9 platoons are based nation-wide and offer CT and SWAT assistance
10th platoon is the Ceremonial Guard and is used in special ocassions.

[Zairoon]

The Husao


What they lack in equipment, firepower and number, they more than make up for with harsh and extensive training. Their stealth, fearlesness and intelligence is known across the world, and some even believe that they are able to vanish at will.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Typically ones Super Special Elite Forces are NOT automaton machines, because Special forces require a great degree of individual initiative to do their job. But of course burst fire gave away the fact that your elite aren't really up to snuff.

Also I love how you face a single madman with a sword with your entire special forces division. Remind me to send a heroic Ensign out to summon your best into artillery fire.

You do understand that accurate bursts of fire is the best way to take down an approaching target. Automon's can also work as part of a collective and keep initiative. Although I mostly meant shutting term as a term to define not fumbling around like some conscript recruit like you said would happen previously.

It's also funny how you assume that your madmen is getting the attention of an entire special forces division. I merely stated that this madmen would of had to get past outer security that is monitored by the Malgravean Special Forces, it's like your claiming that the entire Secret Service would take down a man attacking the President. It's pretty amusing. It's simple the nearest 2/3 soldiers would engage the madman and easily take him.

Set burst fire is for incompetent conscripts, trained soldiers can fire in bursts with the rifle set on full auto, which has a few major advantages.

[Malgrave]

You do understand that accurate bursts of fire is the best way to take down an approaching target. Automon's can also work as part of a collective and keep initiative. Although I mostly meant shutting term as a term to define not fumbling around like some conscript recruit like you said would happen previously.

It's also funny how you assume that your madmen is getting the attention of an entire special forces division. I merely stated that this madmen would of had to get past outer security that is monitored by the Malgravean Special Forces, it's like your claiming that the entire Secret Service would take down a man attacking the President. It's pretty amusing. It's simple the nearest 2/3 soldiers would engage the madman and easily take him.

Set burst fire is for incompetent conscripts, trained soldiers can fire in bursts with the rifle set on full auto, which has a few major advantages.

When did I state that my riffles have burst fire? I simply stated that Malgravean soldiers fire in accurate bursts.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Set burst fire is for incompetent conscripts, trained soldiers can fire in bursts with the rifle set on full auto, which has a few major advantages.

When did I state that my riffles have burst fire? I simply stated that Malgravean soldiers fire in accurate bursts.

When you say burst fire it is implied to be set bursts, like 3 round bursts on the M-16, not full auto.

[Malgrave]

When did I state that my riffles have burst fire? I simply stated that Malgravean soldiers fire in accurate bursts.

When you say burst fire it is implied to be set bursts, like 3 round bursts on the M-16, not full auto.

Eh. Semi-Automatic was proven in the Falklands.

[Red Tide2]

Suppressing fire is the opposite of aiming to kill. It is escalated fire in order to pin the enemy, usually to allow another unit to move and flank them, or assault with grenades.

It's not the opposite, but it is not literally aiming to kill.

Indeed, but there is no reason for them to go back and expose themselves. Unless there is an NCO around to slap them back up.

Yes, there is actually: to stop the guy rushing at you with a sword. It's a calculated risk: if you stay where you are, that guy will kill you. If you run, the gunfire will most likely kill you. If you pop-up, shoot the guy, and then manage to duck back down you will live, or at least live longer. Of the three options, the last one is the least likely to result in your death.

Oh, and of course there is cover you can fire out of, in which case you can just shoot the guy without exposing yourself.

True. However this is only valid if the soldier believes his comrades are capable of stopping the enemy. If the enemy manages to engage closer with superior numbers and look to be unstoppable, the general reaction then is to flee, save for the few diehards.

That would happen whether the charging enemy is armed with guns, swords, or weaponized funny hats. With guns, you can then proceed to shoot the fleeing enemy in the back, with swords you now have to catch up with the fleeing enemy.

Usually dehumanisation is the best solution. Secondary solutions revolve around fire discipline.

True enough.

The charging soldier requires support in order to psychologically render the opposition incapable of shooting him, or to provide too many targets for an individual to handle and hence cause the opponent to flee.

Also true, although you can accomplish both with a gun as easily as with a sword. If its one guy with a sword vs one guy with a rifle, I give the advantage to the guy with the rifle. If its ten guys with rifles vs ten other guys, half with swords and half with rifles, I still give it the advantage to the guys with the rifles.

Combat areas are difficult to determine.

Only in irregular warfare (insurgencies and guerrilla war atuff), conventional combat area's tend to be more identifiable from the very small number of civilians, large number of military personnel and equipment, and, of course, the artillery fire.

Of course, the charging man requires either fire support, mass numbers, or to ambush his opponent within ten feet. However anyone with a weapon is always a threat.

I already covered ambush within ten feet (ie: pray the target doesn't have a friend) but the mass numbers option would be more effective with guns (since you can hit your enemy with massed gunfire rather then having to close the distance) and fire support requires guns. so it would just be much simpler, cheaper, and straight forward to issue all of your soldiers guns as a primary weapon and combat knives for melee combat eventualities. In certain melee situations, knives are actually superior to swords since the much shorter blade won't get caught on any errant furniture when your swinging it.

[Vingtor]

Touch, your dead

You see my point. Kenshin Uesugi sliced Nôhime's barreled machinegun as if it were an onion. So don't come tell me that the Sanada Brave Ten are powerless against guns.

Kenshin is a god. Everybody else in the room pretty much died.