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by **GOLTZBORG** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:06 am

( OOC: Disregard the title in whole, as it was mainly used as an eye-catcher :lol2:

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NOTE: Primarily for those nations which have a lineage of "male" leadership.............>

Can a son who is born as a bastard ( i.e. born out of wedlock ) ever aspire to the top leadership role of your lands and people; or instead, is such position only afforded to those who are of "pure" blood breeding ? ( take into consideration whether or not there is an heir of "pure" blood )

NOTE: Same question could / should be asked regarding a female as well.

by **Amacrei** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:07 am

There are no bastard children, only bastard parents.

by **Kalaspia-Shimarata** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:10 am

by **Maraque** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:12 am

100% of children in Tsvarchi are born out of wedlock; marriage is not a legally recognized, nor is it a socially relevant, institution in this country.

by **Amacrei** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:13 am

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Why?

If you're asking me, that was meant to express my nations' feelings on the issue. There is no reason why a man or a woman born to unwed parents should not have the same rights as those born by married couples.

by **Mount Shavano** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:23 am

Can a son who is born as a bastard ( i.e. born out of wedlock ) ever aspire to the top leadership role of your lands and people; or instead, is such position only afforded to those who are of "pure" blood breeding ?

There are no legal restrictions placed upon what someone can do as a result of who their parents are.

by **Fatatatutti** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:25 am

We're a democracy, so we don't have a "line of succession". However, it is widely believed that Carmen "Shimmy" Dykstra is the Prime Minister's "unofficial" daughter and she's also considered to be third in line for leadership of the Socialist Party, after Education Minister Schuyler Marmish. So the likelihood of her being Prime Minister some day is fairly high.

Defense Minister Harmony Chang is the daughter of former Prime Minister and current President Mickey Chang. As the senior Communist Member of Parliament, she is a likely choice for Prime Minister in the future. Mind you, she's about as close to "legitimate" as it's possible to be in Fatatatutti.

by **GOLTZBORG** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:27 am

OOC:

I think that I may have not expressed myself clearly enough; as this thread is primary directed to those nations who have a lineage / dynasty of a ruling family; and not so much pertaining to any common "bastard's" ability to aspire to his nation's highest elected office.

However, all information is welcomed from all nations.

by **Imeriata** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:32 am

No they can't

by **GOLTZBORG** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:35 am

Imeriata wrote:No they can't

What if there is no male heir to take the throne, but there is a bastard in the backroom...what then ?

by **Amacrei** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:38 am

Goltzborg wrote:
Imeriata wrote:No they can't

What if there is no male heir to take the throne, but there is a bastard in the backroom...what then ?

In such cases I would imagine it would be a toss-up between calling on some obscure man from a cadet branch of the ruling house, or declaring the bastard son to be legitimate. It's usually done like that in such nations.

by **Maraque** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:50 am

Goltzborg wrote:OOC:

I think that I may have not expressed myself clearly enough; as this thread is primary directed to those nations who have a lineage / dynasty of a ruling family; and not so much pertaining to any common "bastard's" ability to aspire to his nation's highest elected office.

However, all information is welcomed from all nations.

HRH King Whirnak doesn't even know who his biological parents are. So it's no issue at all.

by **Imeriata** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:09 am

Goltzborg wrote:
Imeriata wrote:No they can't

What if there is no male heir to take the throne, but there is a bastard in the backroom...what then ?

There will be a big affair who gets to marry the closest living woman relative so that the son form that marriage will be loyal to the right house.

by **New Robotalica** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:20 am

Luckily, Heirs are Made. The Entire Populace besides AIs in the Form of Manifests of Energy are bastards. Theres only two, SAIDE and her heir VIA

by **Northmire** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:01 am

No, a bastard child cannot aspire to any hereditary leadership role, whether that be Lord of a House or the King itself. A bastard does not carry the House name.

Women cannot inherit lordships anyways.

https://dragcave.net/user/Bellumsaur13 · by **Saurisisia** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:39 am

There have been a few Presidents and Commanders-in-Chief who were illegitimate children. None of the members of the Triad are.

by **Ordo Drakul** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:40 am

Our society and culture are matrilineal-the entire concept of "bastardy" eludes us.

by **Whiskey Hill** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:47 am

Imeriata wrote:
Goltzborg wrote:
What if there is no male heir to take the throne, but there is a bastard in the backroom...what then ?

There will be a big affair who gets to marry the closest living woman relative so that the son form that marriage will be loyal to the right house.

This is generally how the proper Ducal families act, but since the National Senate gets to select the Grand Duke from whichever Duke they wish, and the Dukes are chosen by the lesser senates from whomever they wish (though it is generally from among the traditional ducal or noble families) the matter is more a tradition than law and has not prevented "bastard" children from reaching the height of power.

by **Bajireyn** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:55 am

Mount Shavano wrote:Can a son who is born as a bastard ( i.e. born out of wedlock ) ever aspire to the top leadership role of your lands and people; or instead, is such position only afforded to those who are of "pure" blood breeding ?

There are no legal restrictions placed upon what someone can do as a result of who their parents are.

by **Oterro** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:57 am

No o course not, that's an insult for a reason.

And bitch doesn't denote a female without a father, it's the female name for a hound.

And eye catcher? More like eye molester.

by **Kuznetsovia** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:04 pm

it depends

our leader appoints somebody as his or her successor when he/she dies

by **Distruzio** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:05 pm

No. Distruzio has embraced her new monarchy completely. Only direct lineage will be acceptable to the people.

by **AETEN II** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:10 pm

We're a democracy, as long as you can win the majority, you're in.

by **The Matthew Islands** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:12 pm

In the Royal court yes. An Heir's an Heir.

by **Souffrance** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:12 pm

Presidency of Souffrance is acquired on merit and popular vote.
As the people here value personal responsibility highly, they would not elect a president just for having good family; they would expect a president to be honest and hard working, as they expect of all citizens.
Men and women are equal in Souffrance, and both get elected as president with a fairly equal ratio.
And marriage here is really of no consequence; it's purely a social thing.

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