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GOLTZBORG
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Psychotic Dictatorship

The Need For Greed To Succeed: "Prophets of Profit" Profess

Postby GOLTZBORG » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:17 am

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Due to recent assassinations of several of Goltzborg's most prominent corporate executives, the Goltzborg Corporate Community ( a.k.a. / d.b.a. "Prophets of Profit" / i.e. "Evil People" ) have petitioned for the government to provide all corporate executives police protection at taxpayer's expense; and they base their appeal on the fact that "they", and "they" alone, are the "backbone" of the nation's economic engines, and if their lives and lifestyles continue to be threatened by the poor and common working people, then the economy could collapse.
(i.e. they believe/profess that their need to succeed (greed) supports the nation's best interests)

The government of Golzborg has taken their request under advisment.

Does your govt go out of it's way to preserve and protect the extreme elite of your nation; and if so, does your govt do so with taxpayer's hard earned capital ?

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East Jermany
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Postby East Jermany » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:50 am

The rich of our country are protected, but no more or no less than the average person is.

The rich can afford to pay for added protection and hire body guards or a small army if they want.

No tax payer money is used to protect the rich in our country.

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Georgism
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Ex-Nation

Postby Georgism » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:00 am

Yes and yes. Such things are necessary to ensure the continued wellbeing of HRH King George I.
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:07 am

East Jermany wrote:The rich of our country are protected, but no more or no less than the average person is.

The rich can afford to pay for added protection and hire body guards or a small army if they want.


This^

(Of-coarse taxes pay for law and order(police and military) which protects average people so therefore protects the rich and therefore tax money is spent on protecting everyone including the rich.)

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Fatatatutti
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Ex-Nation

Postby Fatatatutti » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:10 am

Firstly, Fatatatutti doesn't have a culture of violence. The people don't have the idea that they can accomplish something by killing other people. There has never been an assassination, either political or corporate, in our history.

Secondly, we have the Workers' Rights Act, which empowers workers to take control of the workplace if management fails to perform or misbehaves. Thus, it is unlikely that any executive would last long enough to antagonize anybody to the point of murder.

We have no "elites" who can use the police as their personal servants.

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Thurask
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Postby Thurask » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:11 am

Rich? What rich? The closest thing to an "elite" we have is the government, and they are warranted protection by default.
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Georgism
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Postby Georgism » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:13 am

Fatatatutti wrote:The people don't have the idea that they can accomplish something by killing other people.

I swear you have a military?
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Mount Shavano
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Postby Mount Shavano » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:25 am

No. They aren't particularly hated, and they have plenty of resources to provide any extra protection that they feel they need.
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Maraque
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Maraque » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:51 am

The police aren't the elite's personal private security firm. If they feel they need extra security then they can hire some.

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Fatatatutti
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Ex-Nation

Postby Fatatatutti » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:39 am

Georgism wrote:
Fatatatutti wrote:The people don't have the idea that they can accomplish something by killing other people.

I swear you have a military?

In case of a serious invasion - which is unlikely - a certain amount of killing might be unavoidable. It wouldn't be considered an "accomplishment".

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Great Kingston
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Ex-Nation

Postby Great Kingston » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:08 am

We don't spend extra money on the rich, as people have said they can protect themselves. We do however spend a lot of Police funds on eradicating the causes of the problems, not just the symptoms so that we eleiminate crime instead of simple deterring people from it.

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Burtonea
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Ex-Nation

Postby Burtonea » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:34 pm

Our police try to protect everyone equally. People who feel they need extra protection can buy a gun and/or hire their own security. If there's an actual known threat, the police will deal with it regardless of who is in danger. Also, our corporate executives don't need special protection, since the concept that success somehow makes one "evil" is generally rejected by our society.

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Seperate Vermont
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Ex-Nation

Postby Seperate Vermont » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:36 pm

Authorities are assigned the role of protecting commerce and welfare of society, not being a private security detail for anyone.
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Postby Saurisisia » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:55 pm

The Government does not try to overprotect the uber rich, nor does it persecute and punish them like a mob of Communist thugs would. The government protects all its citizens equally, regardless of how much money they earn per year. Besides, with Saurisia's pro-capitalist society, what the hell do the Saurisian rich need to be protected from when they simply have their own private security to protect them?
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:26 pm

No one is richer than anyone else is in Threlizdun and larger businesses are run by the workers, so these things never happen. Plus, we lack the government to give them benifits
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Zoozk
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Postby Zoozk » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:17 pm

The police protect everyone equally as stated in the constitution.
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Postby Darmen » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:29 pm

well were Communist so does that answer your question?
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:29 pm

By definition, the uber-rich can well afford to pay for their own (armed) protective services. They can also afford all of the top upgrades for their own bodies and weapons, making them strong fighters in their own right. Therefore, the government does nothing extra for them in this regard.

The only rich guy whose death could lead to economic collapse is Megatron, and even that would be much more from the political upheaval than the loss of his companies. The Megatron Companies are indeed huge, but we can all refine Energon and smelt metal on our own if worse comes to worst.

Megatron does use the Military to protect his company assets - the right to do this is a perk of being the Leader - but he is quite proud to only need his own power for the protection of his person. That fusion cannon he wears isn't there as a decoration...
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sagatagan » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:08 am

I'm pretty sure we killed, demoted, or ran off most of our nation's economic elite thirty to forty years ago and have a more or less egalitarian society now....
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Postby Valcluse » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:33 am

Does your govt go out of it's way to preserve and protect the extreme elite of your nation; and if so, does your govt do so with taxpayer's hard earned capital ?
Of course not. People who are rich enough to become the targets of resentful communists are probably rich enough to provide themselves with hired security or other protection. The government does not want to become involved with such matters. Not that they care of course. Politicians are given government protection, for obvious reasons.

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The Batorys
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Postby The Batorys » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:08 am

Goltzborg wrote:
Does your govt go out of it's way to preserve and protect the extreme elite of your nation; and if so, does your govt do so with taxpayer's hard earned capital ?

No, the Empire does not, aside from the Batory clan themselves and the higher officials of their government.

If one is rich enough in the Empire for others to dubiously call him/her "the backbone of the country," one should be easily able to provide one's own extra security. It's not that hard. Someone who grows rich and powerful enough to earn so much enmity that life is at stake, who is too stupid to hire protection, deserves to die for stupidity in the first degree.

However, one should also note that occasionally, assassinations of corporate executives in the Empire go rather blatantly uninvestigated, the obvious conclusion being that the Dragon's Claw were responsible. Such killings serve as reminders that it is unwise to displease the Empress in the way one does business on her property.
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Postby Keldon Warriors » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:20 am

Political and Economic Assassination is such a part of life in Keldon Warriors that it is actually legal under the law.

We have a regulatory agency, which is division of our revenue service, that determines the value of every citizen based on a formula of net worth, - debt, + future earnings (nominally variates) the actual formula is very complex, but it boils down to this. In order to legally kill someone, you must pay an "elimination" tax, which is the value of the life of you extinguished.

This system definitely favors the rich, and keeps the poor "very polite"

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Postby Ruskarkand » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:14 am

Rich, and elite?
Bahahah, so funny, yet so.. so sad.

They don't exist, for as long as this nation is as it is now, there will be no rich whilst there is poor.
Thats why there is only the middle class.

And nor is there any form of privatised marketing or any communities to do with money.
Our government does not go out to protect the higher class, but instead, it goes out to protect what it values most, and that is the populace of Ruskarkand.
And in return, it does not seek the taxes in repayment, but instead, it seeks labor, to help build a better future.
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