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GOLTZBORG
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Flag Burning: Freedom of Expression or Expression of Anarchy

Postby GOLTZBORG » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:55 pm

In the Commonwealth of Goltzborg, anyone who is caught burning the National Cloth & Colors ( Flag ) or any other State Symbol, is charged with treason; which can result in execution if the circumstances so deserve.

What about in your nation.....can anyone burn your nation's flag or any other symbol of state without fear from govt reprisal; or instead, are all symbols of state protected as something deserving to be held sacred ??

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Postby Licana » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:57 pm

Protected as free speech under Licanan Basic Bill of Rights.
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Postby Nicksyllvania » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:57 pm

Allowing the sacred colours of the monarchy to even touch the dirt is a crime punishable by one hundred lashes of the knout.

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Postby Victorious 1000 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:58 pm

Flag burning is categorized as undermining state power. Violators are immediately detained and put into force labor for 72 hours(10 hours of sleep total)
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Postby Saurisisia » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:59 pm

Burning the flag of Saurisia or the flags of allies or countries friendly to our own are punishable by 10 years in prison. Whereas burning flags of enemies is perfectly legal, so it's done quite a lot.
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Postby Amacrei » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:00 pm

It is technically legal, and when done for the right reasons it is even acceptable, but most people react to it this way...

Amerikians wrote:"I'll be perfectly happy to let you express yourself by burning that flag on my lawn. I only hope you can find it in you to be as understanding when I take that still-burning flag, wrap it around that big ugly head of yours, and secure it in place with a staple gun. Purely to express myself, of course."

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Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi, also known as Colonel Gaddafi, siezed the leadership of Libya illegally through force of arms on 1 September, 1969. Those who call him the legitimate leader in Libya really need to do some more homework, and perhaps take a good look at themselves morally.

Both sides have problems, and the rebels are certainly working with criminals, but the man they are fighting is not a saint. Remove them both, and let the Libyan people decide. Is it too much to request a little backbone from our leaders in this?

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Postby Celtica Morgland » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:01 pm

Burning our flag is only legal when we change our flag or During Cremations

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Postby Mount Shavano » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:01 pm

When a flag is too decrepit for further use, you are supposed to give it a Viking funeral. Intentionally disrespecting a flag isn't technically illegal (assuming it belongs to you, otherwise it is vandalism, theft, etc) but won't make you any friends.
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Postby Eisen Reich » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:05 pm

Expression of Anarchy. freedom of speech only as long as what you are saying is not meant to be harmful to the government or to a particular group. Nazis, and that sort of thing

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Postby Seperate Vermont » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:06 pm

A flag when purchased is your property like any other, albeit commonly used in patriotic connotations. We see no logical reason for stating one cannot burn it or whatever with it in protest.
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Postby Wintrixxa » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:06 pm

Not looked upon well, but not technically illegal. We usually prosecute those who do this though, not because of the flag burning but because these people usually have allegiances with political parties classified "Enemy of the People". A notable example would be the Fascist Party, or the Capitalists.

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Postby Oceanic Vakiadia » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:06 pm

Considered treason, which is punishable by death, but the vigilantes usually kill them first.
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Postby Threlizdun » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:09 pm

Perfectly legal, though basically this action would actually be SUPPORTING a government rather than opposing it, since that is basically burning the symbol of a successful anarchy.
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Postby Grandais » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:10 pm

As the flag represents the values of socialism, defacing or disrespecting the flag is representative of disrespecting socialism itself and carries the same penalty as political dissidence - the death penalty.
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Postby Amacrei » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:11 pm

Mount Shavano wrote:When a flag is too decrepit for further use, you are supposed to give it a Viking funeral. Intentionally disrespecting a flag isn't technically illegal (assuming it belongs to you, otherwise it is vandalism, theft, etc) but won't make you any friends.


This helps explain things in Amacrei as well.
Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi, also known as Colonel Gaddafi, siezed the leadership of Libya illegally through force of arms on 1 September, 1969. Those who call him the legitimate leader in Libya really need to do some more homework, and perhaps take a good look at themselves morally.

Both sides have problems, and the rebels are certainly working with criminals, but the man they are fighting is not a saint. Remove them both, and let the Libyan people decide. Is it too much to request a little backbone from our leaders in this?

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Postby Swilatia » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:13 pm

We don't give our national flag any special rights or protection that we don't give to any other piece of cloth. So yeah, you can burn the flag of Swilatia or do whatever else you might want to do with it, and no-one will even care.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:30 pm

Our flag represents Socialism and the Unity of our people, burning it is seen as attacking both the State, Socialism and the People, and therefore classed as High Treason, Political Disidence and Promotion of Anarchy and recieves the Death Penalty.
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Postby Grindish » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:33 pm

Not illegal but those wishing to burn the national flag of Grindish would have to fill out a NOOD9004 form (application to have a fire) and a YTEED8984(permission for a public demonstration) (this must be submitted even if the burning is to occour on private property). If these forms are not submitted correctly then the burner would be in violation of either the Fire Act 2011. (In specific clause 6b in relation to arson) or the Public Demonstration Act. 20011 (in specific clause 3a in relation to unauthorised protests.) the punishment from this could range anywhere from forced labour clearing the forrests to life-imprisionment.

If a person did file both these forms then they would be processed checked for error, analysed, used as mouse pads and somewhere to put coffee cups while playing minesweeper instead of working.
(or rather doing their jobs, as it is the task of civil servents to insure that nothing ever happens unless is expressley desired by our glorious leader, his excelency the Grand Duke)

so yeah, flag burning is practically illegal in Grindish.

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Postby Goldsaver » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:55 pm

Burning things without taking proper safety precautions is a crime...
But if you burn the flag safely, than go ahead; we just make more money for selling 'em.
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Postby Maraque » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:00 pm

You can burn the flag, given that it is in fact your own and not somebody else's.

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Postby Amacrei » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:00 pm

Maraque wrote:You can burn the flag, given that it is in fact your own and not somebody else's.


This is also an important consideration in the USA.
Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi, also known as Colonel Gaddafi, siezed the leadership of Libya illegally through force of arms on 1 September, 1969. Those who call him the legitimate leader in Libya really need to do some more homework, and perhaps take a good look at themselves morally.

Both sides have problems, and the rebels are certainly working with criminals, but the man they are fighting is not a saint. Remove them both, and let the Libyan people decide. Is it too much to request a little backbone from our leaders in this?

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Barsonia
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Postby Barsonia » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:05 pm

Legal, though not common. Most citizens participate in more effective ways of protesting the government.

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Postby Thurask » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:10 pm

The article of the Constitution that outlawed flag burning was recently struck down, so yes, it is legal to burn the flag. So long as it is yours.
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Postby Greater-Prussia » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:12 pm

You may burn the Standard of Prussia legally, yes. We do not however advise it as we will need to intervene on your behalf if the more nationalistic citizenry gets a hold of you before we do.
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Postby Lykosia » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:26 pm

Anyone who abuse the national symbols, in this case the national flag, will be imprisoned for at least one (1) year. While we supports freedom of expression, any act of national symbol abuse is prohibited and frowned upon.

It is also considered as an insult / treason to the nation.
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