The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[Padnak]

According to the few people who have taken a closer look at they "Type 73" they are PK based. They are chambered in 7.62x54R and use a dual feed system, enabling them to use non-disintegrating PK belts or a locally designed magazine. The other difference from the PK (other than the furniture) is the fact that there are two barrel sleeves: A rifle grenade launcher and a muzzle brake. Apparently you can store one (the muzzle brake I think) under the barrel whilst it's not in use.

And yes, the chrome is just for show: they often have pretty carvings in the stocks and on the grips of those ones too.

because the norks just had to into more daka I guess

Does raise the question, how blingy could you make a weapon before it becomes completely impractical? I'd like to arm the guards at my nations leaders palace with really bringy weapons that could still be used effectively in combat

[The balkens]

According to the few people who have taken a closer look at they "Type 73" they are PK based. They are chambered in 7.62x54R and use a dual feed system, enabling them to use non-disintegrating PK belts or a locally designed magazine. The other difference from the PK (other than the furniture) is the fact that there are two barrel sleeves: A rifle grenade launcher and a muzzle brake. Apparently you can store one (the muzzle brake I think) under the barrel whilst it's not in use.

And yes, the chrome is just for show: they often have pretty carvings in the stocks and on the grips of those ones too.

because the norks just had to into more daka I guess

Does raise the question, how blingy could you make a weapon before it becomes completely impractical? I'd like to arm the guards at my nations leaders palace with really bringy weapons that could still be used effectively in combat

Gold i assume would melt in the heat of sustained fire......

I just give my 1st Foot guards G98s and be done with it. Yes i give my guards bold action rifles, want to fight them? They have nothing better to do.

[Imperializt Russia]

According to the few people who have taken a closer look at they "Type 73" they are PK based. They are chambered in 7.62x54R and use a dual feed system, enabling them to use non-disintegrating PK belts or a locally designed magazine. The other difference from the PK (other than the furniture) is the fact that there are two barrel sleeves: A rifle grenade launcher and a muzzle brake. Apparently you can store one (the muzzle brake I think) under the barrel whilst it's not in use.

And yes, the chrome is just for show: they often have pretty carvings in the stocks and on the grips of those ones too.

because the norks just had to into more daka I guess

Does raise the question, how blingy could you make a weapon before it becomes completely impractical? I'd like to arm the guards at my nations leaders palace with really bringy weapons that could still be used effectively in combat

Make SKS out of ivory. And gold.
The latter worked for the Iraqis.

[Bratislavskaya]

According to the few people who have taken a closer look at they "Type 73" they are PK based. They are chambered in 7.62x54R and use a dual feed system, enabling them to use non-disintegrating PK belts or a locally designed magazine. The other difference from the PK (other than the furniture) is the fact that there are two barrel sleeves: A rifle grenade launcher and a muzzle brake. Apparently you can store one (the muzzle brake I think) under the barrel whilst it's not in use.

And yes, the chrome is just for show: they often have pretty carvings in the stocks and on the grips of those ones too.

because the norks just had to into more daka I guess

Does raise the question, how blingy could you make a weapon before it becomes completely impractical? I'd like to arm the guards at my nations leaders palace with really bringy weapons that could still be used effectively in combat

Well, being a third world military Junta I suggest AK's, and if you want them to work safely I would go with these:

(That specific one is good to remove kebab with)
Or a tad fancier with:


If not, you could go full on Mexican Drug Cartel:

(I'm not sure how safe it is, may be sub par with all that bling).

[Bezombia]

because the norks just had to into more daka I guess

Does raise the question, how blingy could you make a weapon before it becomes completely impractical? I'd like to arm the guards at my nations leaders palace with really bringy weapons that could still be used effectively in combat

Well, being a third world military Junta I suggest AK's, and if you want them to work safely I would go with these:

(That specific one is good to remove kebab with)
Or a tad fancier with:


If not, you could go full on Mexican Drug Cartel:

(I'm not sure how safe it is, may be sub par with all that bling).

Those rifles are so old. They're like...6 olds.
Six entire olds. That's rediculous.

You should using modern rifle like:



This of rifle you use, yes.

[Bratislavskaya]

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Those rifles are so old. They're like...6 olds.
Six entire olds. That's rediculous.

You should using modern rifle like:



This of rifle you use, yes.

But that rifle is not of assault or bling. Bling is of need here.

[Imperializt Russia]

because the norks just had to into more daka I guess

Does raise the question, how blingy could you make a weapon before it becomes completely impractical? I'd like to arm the guards at my nations leaders palace with really bringy weapons that could still be used effectively in combat

Well, being a third world military Junta I suggest AK's, and if you want them to work safely I would go with these:

(That specific one is good to remove kebab with)
Or a tad fancier with:


If not, you could go full on Mexican Drug Cartel:

(I'm not sure how safe it is, may be sub par with all that bling).

Gold and silver plating, engraved.
When you have literally run out of things to spend money on.

[Padnak]

I think I'll stick with gold aks and SKSs

don't need to get tooo crazy

[Fordorsia]

because the norks just had to into more daka I guess

Does raise the question, how blingy could you make a weapon before it becomes completely impractical? I'd like to arm the guards at my nations leaders palace with really bringy weapons that could still be used effectively in combat

Gold i assume would melt in the heat of sustained fire......

I just give my 1st Foot guards G98s and be done with it. Yes i give my guards bold action rifles, want to fight them? They have nothing better to do.

Being used by guards they would probably never be fired at all, let alone enough to melt gold. Sustained fire would not be an issue.

[The balkens]

Gold i assume would melt in the heat of sustained fire......

I just give my 1st Foot guards G98s and be done with it. Yes i give my guards bold action rifles, want to fight them? They have nothing better to do.

Being used by guards they would probably never be fired at all, let alone enough to melt gold. Sustained fire would not be an issue.

And if the your subjects decide to get uppity?

[Kouralia]

They don't like it uppity them.

[Fordorsia]

Being used by guards they would probably never be fired at all, let alone enough to melt gold. Sustained fire would not be an issue.

And if the your subjects decide to get uppity?

If a couple shots are needed, you likely won't have any more problems.

[Purpelia]

Random question time. Assuming a society that has basically absolutely no civilian gun ownership, and this includes criminals but very liberal melee weapon laws. What if any would be the disadvantages of having a halberd around for self defense purposes? And I mean the short 1.5m long type.

[Fordorsia]

Random question time. Assuming a society that has basically absolutely no civilian gun ownership, and this includes criminals but very liberal melee weapon laws. What if any would be the disadvantages of having a halberd around for self defense purposes? And I mean the short 1.5m long type.

All the impracticalities of a sword x2. Just have a large knife, short sword or club.

[Puzikas]

Interestingly the most used hand to hand self defense weapon used by people is a knife. Which sucks, because knives are horrifying.


CS Spray and TASER (specifically a cartridge TASER)>Hand to hand weapon for self defense (depending on local self defense laws). If you're going to use a melee weapon, use a bat or somesuch. Not some lolong weapon like a halbred.

Most self defense situations take place within 3m. I don't really want to use a fucking halberd in that distance.

[Bezombia]

Interestingly the most used hand to hand self defense weapon used by people is a knife. Which sucks, because knives are horrifying.


CS Spray and TASER (specifically a cartridge TASER)>Hand to hand weapon for self defense (depending on local self defense laws). If you're going to use a melee weapon, use a bat or somesuch. Not some lolong weapon like a halbred.

Most self defense situations take place within 3m. I don't really want to use a fucking halberd in that distance.

Or just get a halberd that has a taser built in with a baseball bat duct taped to the back. BOOM you're invincible.

[Padnak]

How would bows and crossbows be treated?

because if I could walk around with a fucking crossbow I'd do that

and a mace

[Purpelia]

I am basically asking because the situation I described is Purpelia. In Purpelia civilian firearms ownership is heavily restricted and you basically can't get a functional gun unless you live next to a forest or the border where the dangerous animals or foreigners might get you. And there is really no black market for them either due to the difficulty in obtaining stuff that is not a hunting rifle which you can't really conceal under your coat when trying to rob a store. And stuff like tasers and pepper spray are difficult to get a hold on as well due to legislation meant to "protect the children". Yea... don't ask. But there are really very few laws regarding the use of melee weapons. You can quite literally walk around in a full suit of plate armor with a great long pike swung over your shoulder completely legally. It's just sort of outside of the budget of the average Purpelian.

And this got me thinking. The average Purpelian would be familiar with melee weapon fighting due to the above. And thus he or she would know not to just pick up a knife as those are terrifying and no one ever wins a knife fight. So for them I am considering creating a line of self defense oriented weapon designs for the modern customer. Stuff like short swords, daggers, armor you can hide under a shirt etc. Basically an equivalent to the various conceal carry pistols and the like but in melee style. And I am doing market research on if I should include stuff like a halberd for the more... eccentric customer.

How would bows and crossbows be treated?

because if I could walk around with a fucking crossbow I'd do that

and a mace

Bows and crossbows are legal but only within the hunting bow range due to overpenetration issues.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Interestingly the most used hand to hand self defense weapon used by people is a knife. Which sucks, because knives are horrifying.


CS Spray and TASER (specifically a cartridge TASER)>Hand to hand weapon for self defense (depending on local self defense laws). If you're going to use a melee weapon, use a bat or somesuch. Not some lolong weapon like a halbred.

Most self defense situations take place within 3m. I don't really want to use a fucking halberd in that distance.

We have a saying in the self defense world here: When the knife comes out, everyone gets cut. You get cut, he/she gets cut, the guy across the street gets cut.

I've carried a fighting knife for work, along with baton and pistol (CS and TASER not legal here), and except for the pistol the knife has always been my go-to. Baton is great for creating distance, but in 80% of the potential situations where I'd have to defend myself without a pistol it would be impractical. And 90% of the situations where I had the pistol I had distance.

If the law allows it though, I'd definitely say OC/CS spray.

[Puzikas]

I mean, you could. But I'm...not going to say that I'd have picked a halberd as my first to 20th choice as a self defense weapon for hand to hand use.

[Purpelia]

Well now that the cat is out of the bag would you guys mind if we shifted this toward discussing the general concept? Like what weapons do you think would be good to include in the line? Remembering of course that whilst performance matters much like in choosing a handgun people will also look for factors such as style and reputation. So just like a .45 handgun might sell better on account of having a "stronger" round even though not a blade shaped like a viking sword might sell better due to "our ancestors must have known what they were doing".

[Fordorsia]

Interestingly the most used hand to hand self defense weapon used by people is a knife. Which sucks, because knives are horrifying.


CS Spray and TASER (specifically a cartridge TASER)>Hand to hand weapon for self defense (depending on local self defense laws). If you're going to use a melee weapon, use a bat or somesuch. Not some lolong weapon like a halbred.

Most self defense situations take place within 3m. I don't really want to use a fucking halberd in that distance.

Knives are easily the most versatile thing you could carry. They'd be great for ending a confrontation without actually having to use it, especially if it's a pretty big knife. But yes they're are pretty much bad news for everyone involved.

How would bows and crossbows be treated?

because if I could walk around with a fucking crossbow I'd do that

and a mace

Good luck being comfortable while you die.

I am basically asking because the situation I described is Purpelia. In Purpelia civilian firearms ownership is heavily restricted and you basically can't get a functional gun unless you live next to a forest or the border where the dangerous animals or foreigners might get you. And there is really no black market for them either due to the difficulty in obtaining stuff that is not a hunting rifle which you can't really conceal under your coat when trying to rob a store. And stuff like tasers and pepper spray are difficult to get a hold on as well due to legislation meant to "protect the children". Yea... don't ask. But there are really very few laws regarding the use of melee weapons. You can quite literally walk around in a full suit of plate armor with a great long pike swung over your shoulder completely legally. It's just sort of outside of the budget of the average Purpelian.

And this got me thinking. The average Purpelian would be familiar with melee weapon fighting due to the above. And thus he or she would know not to just pick up a knife as those are terrifying and no one ever wins a knife fight. So for them I am considering creating a line of self defense oriented weapon designs for the modern customer. Stuff like short swords, daggers, armor you can hide under a shirt etc. Basically an equivalent to the various conceal carry pistols and the like but in melee style. And I am doing market research on if I should include stuff like a halberd for the more... eccentric customer.

How would bows and crossbows be treated?

because if I could walk around with a fucking crossbow I'd do that

and a mace

Bows and crossbows are legal but only within the hunting bow range due to overpenetration issues.

The best tool for self defense in a place where swords are still a thing would be a rapier with a full basket hilt. Not really heavy or cumbersome and as long as the user is trained with, it could beat any other melee weapon it would come up against.

Another option is a large knife just for the versatility of being a great tool with the added bonus of being able to hold it's own either by killing or simply by being seen.

Maces might not be a good choose because the head will by whacking your thigh all day as you walk and they're not fast enough to draw in a self defense situation, which is very different to a combat one. A war hammer with just a hammer and not a spike might be viable since it's lighter and wont hurt you just by carrying it.

Or you can just have a nice tree-based weapon like a Shillelagh, which double as canes if they're long enough.

[Purpelia]

The best tool for self defense in a place where swords are still a thing would be a rapier with a full basket hilt. Not really heavy or cumbersome and as long as the user is trained with, it could beat any other melee weapon it would come up against.

Aren't rapiers really long though? I mean they have 1m+ long blades. That's not something you can concealed carry to use a modern term.

Another option is a large knife just for the versatility of being a great tool woth the added bonus of being able to hold it's own either by killing or simply by being seen.

I actually thought about large knifes. In particular daggers of various kinds. They would basically perform the same role as a subcompact handgun.

Or you can just have a nice tree-based weapon like a Shillelagh, which double as canes if they're long enough.

Canes eh... I wonder how I could spin it so as to market one and not make it look like something you can build at home. Maybe if I went with a metal core and composite materials or something. And a tactical sling.

[Fordorsia]

The best tool for self defense in a place where swords are still a thing would be a rapier with a full basket hilt. Not really heavy or cumbersome and as long as the user is trained with, it could beat any other melee weapon it would come up against.

Aren't rapiers really long though? I mean they have 1m+ long blades. That's not something you can concealed carry to use a modern term.

Another option is a large knife just for the versatility of being a great tool woth the added bonus of being able to hold it's own either by killing or simply by being seen.

I actually thought about large knifes. In particular daggers of various kinds. They would basically perform the same role as a subcompact handgun.

Or you can just have a nice tree-based weapon like a Shillelagh, which double as canes if they're long enough.

Canes eh... I wonder how I could spin it so as to market one and not make it look like something you can build at home. Maybe if I went with a metal core and composite materials or something. And a tactical sling.

There are many different thrusting swords, with many definitions overlapping and shit. A dedicated thrusting sword with a blade that is at least similar in length to a rapier's is prety much the best you could do if all you want to do is protect yourself.

I think good canes are actually pretty hard to make, especially things like shillelaghs. You need the right part of the right tree and to need to straighten and harden it or whatever.

[Purpelia]

Speaking of thrusting swords just why are these things so hyped? I admit I am no sword expert but I'd much rather have something I can both cut and thrust with like a sabre.