Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Canuckland]

If this isn't German, I'm going to be so mad.

EDIT:

Mandatory PT-91 on page 91

[Anemos Major]

If this isn't German, I'm going to be so mad.

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(it's awkward because it's a German M113 modification :3)

[Canuckland]

If this isn't German, I'm going to be so mad.

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Would've been much better if it were German. I mean, they tried tank destroyer viable during the Cold War. It would just make more sense if the Germans made that.

Well, I'll retreat back to lurking now.
EDIT: Nevermind. I saw your edit.

SO I WAS RIGHT.

[Oaledonia]

That being said, this is a textbook case of "things that technically functioned but were utterly useless in practice."

OrAreThey?

Remotely operated armored engineering vehicles still occupy their little niche. Notably in the USSR they were used to help build the sarcophagus at Chernobyl.

So, just modified lunar rovers?

[Purpelia]

But, civilian deaths are broadly going down and make up about 1-25% of the casualties, depending on who you believe who's in a place to actually make an accurate (read, informed) assessment.

Not all civilian deaths are equal.

If you are a soldier who only has his rifle and hand grenades, and there is a house across the street and a guy shooting at you from its window so you throw a grenade in to save your self and kill him, and than later you find out there were 10 civilians inside. That sucks, but it's acceptable casualties as it was that guy or you and you could not have known they were there.

On the other hand, if you are perfectly safe at the helm of a remotely controlled vehicle (meaning that the only thing you stand to lose is money) on the other side of the planet (meaning that the enemy posed absolutely no threat to you or your nation), mercilessly hunting down people who your government wants assassinated using high tech detection equipment and smart munitions than 1 in 5 deaths being a civilian is completely unacceptable. You have the best technology in the world at your fingertips and are under no stress, no danger and have no excuse not to use it wisely.

[Anacasppia]

Have a real German Cold War-era tank destroyer.

[Gallia-]

But, civilian deaths are broadly going down and make up about 1-25% of the casualties, depending on who you believe who's in a place to actually make an accurate (read, informed) assessment.

Not all civilian deaths are equal.

If you are a soldier who only has his rifle and hand grenades, and there is a house across the street and a guy shooting at you from its window so you throw a grenade in to save your self and kill him, and than later you find out there were 10 civilians inside. That sucks, but it's acceptable casualties as it was that guy or you and you could not have known they were there.

On the other hand, if you are perfectly safe at the helm of a remotely controlled vehicle (meaning that the only thing you stand to lose is money) on the other side of the planet (meaning that the enemy posed absolutely no threat to you or your nation), mercilessly hunting down people who your government wants assassinated using high tech detection equipment and smart munitions than 1 in 5 deaths being a civilian is completely unacceptable. You have the best technology in the world at your fingertips and are under no stress, no danger and have no excuse not to use it wisely.

Nah.

[Imperializt Russia]

But, civilian deaths are broadly going down and make up about 1-25% of the casualties, depending on who you believe who's in a place to actually make an accurate (read, informed) assessment.

Not all civilian deaths are equal.

If you are a soldier who only has his rifle and hand grenades, and there is a house across the street and a guy shooting at you from its window so you throw a grenade in to save your self and kill him, and than later you find out there were 10 civilians inside. That sucks, but it's acceptable casualties as it was that guy or you and you could not have known they were there.

On the other hand, if you are perfectly safe at the helm of a remotely controlled vehicle (meaning that the only thing you stand to lose is money) on the other side of the planet (meaning that the enemy posed absolutely no threat to you or your nation), mercilessly hunting down people who your government wants assassinated using high tech detection equipment and smart munitions than 1 in 5 deaths being a civilian is completely unacceptable. You have the best technology in the world at your fingertips and are under no stress, no danger and have no excuse not to use it wisely.

That's not what the drone programme is about.
The people targeted pose serious threats to coalition lives and local civilian lives. It's just that, because coalition military power has forced the command structure out of the immediate combat zone, they've fled and regrouped in Pakistan, which can't control them itself.

[Novorden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiWCpIJ5dBw

An interesting video of live fire tests against the Stridsvagn 103.

[The Kievan People]

Not all civilian deaths are equal.

If you are a soldier who only has his rifle and hand grenades, and there is a house across the street and a guy shooting at you from its window so you throw a grenade in to save your self and kill him, and than later you find out there were 10 civilians inside. That sucks, but it's acceptable casualties as it was that guy or you and you could not have known they were there.

On the other hand, if you are perfectly safe at the helm of a remotely controlled vehicle (meaning that the only thing you stand to lose is money) on the other side of the planet (meaning that the enemy posed absolutely no threat to you or your nation), mercilessly hunting down people who your government wants assassinated using high tech detection equipment and smart munitions than 1 in 5 deaths being a civilian is completely unacceptable. You have the best technology in the world at your fingertips and are under no stress, no danger and have no excuse not to use it wisely.

Dead is dead. If you are willing to accept however many deaths in exchange for a certain objective, then splitting hairs between X and Y methods is a complete waste of time. Unless of course the real objective is delude people (or yourself) into thinking you are a highly principled actor who only kills with bullets and grenades.

In that case you should send in SpecOps to shoot everything that moves. Then you can solemnly proclaim you had no choice and they blew up the orphanage in self defense. Double points if one of your soldiers dies on the raid. Triple points if one of them is captured. Then you get to invade the country guilt-free. Leave no man behind and all.

[The Kievan People]

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Have a real German Cold War-era tank destroyer.

I wonder how the autoloader worked... I could use that information.

[Hurdegaryp]

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Have a real German Cold War-era tank destroyer.

I wonder how the autoloader worked... I could use that information.

Also have a real Bundeswehr Cold War-era tank destroyer that actually saw service. More info can be found here.

[San-Silvacian]

I wonder how the autoloader worked... I could use that information.

Also have a real Bundeswehr Cold War-era tank destroyer that actually saw service. More info can be found here.

hetzer gonna hetz.

[San-Silvacian]

also,



legit as fuckkk

[The Soodean Imperium]

That being said, this is a textbook case of "things that technically functioned but were utterly useless in practice."

OrAreThey?

Remotely operated armored engineering vehicles still occupy their little niche. Notably in the USSR they were used to help build the sarcophagus at Chernobyl.

I guess I should have been more clear about that.

Because of the technology it was built with, the Teletank itself suffered from primitive controls and the lack of any onboard cameras to aid in driving and targeting. It did spawn a line of more successful remote engineering vehicles (I saw some mention of remote-controlled wire-cutting tanks at Kursk, but I'm skeptical about the lack of a source), which as you pointed out still see service today. And as the edgy political discussion has made clear, point-and-shoot drones are a staple of defense technology today.

That being said, I have my doubts about the feasibility of a remote-controlled main battle tank - if a two-man causes issues, a zero-man crew will cause more. And a completely autonomous combat vehicle that moves, targets, and fires with no human input whatsoever (which is what was originally suggested) would require features that are either impractical or impossible with modern technology.

[Crookfur]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiWCpIJ5dBw

An interesting video of live fire tests against the Stridsvagn 103.

burny tank is gonna get you, talk about a chariot of fire!

[United States of PA]

Aaannnnddddddd unrelated


SKEET!!!!!

[Kalumba]

Hondo Mutyovha-82 'Shumba'

Factory new: http://i.imgur.com/nuLj7k4.png
Frontline: http://i.imgur.com/XIjI8hq.png

Anything missing/needs changing? Or am I good to complete the write up.

[Welgium]

Hybrid Combat Tractor Mrk I

Type: Halftrack
Place of origin: Novi Welgii
Service history
In service 1885 -
Used by: Novi Welgii
Wars: None yet.
Production history
Manufacturer: Schnitzenhalter & Wesserschwinzen
Unit cost: 45,000 drachmas per hull
Produced April 1884 -
Number built: 32
Specifications
Weight 16 metric tonnes
Length 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)
Width 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in)
Height 2.16 m (7 ft 1 in)
Crew 5 (Driver, commander/gunner, loader, machine gunner, engineer)
Armour 10 mm
Main armament: Miehrkhnall 37 mm
Secondary armament: Schnehlsgiet 8 mm
Engine: Wivrehn Stomenmachiennern NW 40 C
Ground clearance: 40 cm
Fuel capacity: 185 kilos
Operational range: 120 km
Speed: 40 km/h

[Luepola]

Would anyone be willing to help me create a decent ground warfare doctrine, based on my nation's size and geography, as well as other necessary factors? I've posted the great big map of my nation on a few of the other advice threads, so I'm sure that someone here has seen it, but I'll post it again if need be.

[Imperializt Russia]

Would anyone be willing to help me create a decent ground warfare doctrine, based on my nation's size and geography, as well as other necessary factors? I've posted the great big map of my nation on a few of the other advice threads, so I'm sure that someone here has seen it, but I'll post it again if need be.

All you would particularly need to do would be defend yourself. Because of your location, there is no logical reason for you to be gallivanting around in distant countries, so you shouldn't worry about expeditionary warfare. This is more a question for the NS Realism Consultancy Thread.

If you want something unusual, here's an assessment of the Iraqi doctrine.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=248892&p=17566798#p17566798

[The Soodean Imperium]

Ah, blast these complex ORBATs for now... I think I'm going to design a tank.

[Yupun]

Ground Vehicles: (1950 A.D. - 2025 A.D.)
*BM-30 Smerch (RA-30: Rocket Artillery)
*BMP-3F - 125mm Gun (IFV-3F: Amphibious IFV)
*Flakpanzer IV Kugelblitz (AA-IV: Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun)
*Hummel IV - 175mm Gun (SPG-IV: Self-Propelled Gun Artillery)
*StuG IV - 125mm Gun (TD-IV: Tank Destroyer)
*Sturmpanzer IV - 175mm Gun (AG-IV: Assault Gun)
*T-10M Heavy Tank - 150mm Gun (HT-10M: Heavy Tank)
*T-55A MBT - 125mm Gun (MBT-55A: Main Battle Tank)
*Type 2 Ho-I - 100mm Gun (ST-2 Ho-I: Support Tank)
*Type 4 Ke-Nu - 75mm Gun (LT-4 Ke-Nu: Light Tank)

Ground Vehicles Upgrades: (1975 A.D. - 2025 A.D.)
*Depleted Uranium Shells (IFV-3F, TD-IV, AG-IV, HT-10M, MBT-55A, ST-2 & LT-4)
*Engine Horsepower To Weight Ratio Upgrade
*Gun Caliber Increase (50mm->75mm, 75mm->100mm, 100mm->125mm, 125mm->150mm & 150mm->175mm)
*Modernized Electronics
*Non-Explosive Reactive Armour
*Flakpanzer Cannons Replaced Surface-To-Air Missiles
*Reinforced Titanium Alloy
*Remote Machine Gun Turret (TD-IV, AG-IV, HT-10M, MBT-55A, ST-2 & LT-4)
*Smoothbore Gun (IFV-3F, TD-IV, AG-IV, HT-10M, MBT-55A, ST-2 & LT-4)

[Riysa]

Anyone know what the side armor equivalency is of the T-72 series?

[Oaledonia]

*Flakpanzer Cannons Replaced Surface-To-Air Missiles

Oh, my sides.

Edit: I fact, all of your post made my sides hurt.