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Postby Spirit of Hope » Fri May 18, 2012 9:55 am

New Corda wrote:But fricasseed kitten burger is our national dish! Along with beer and whiskey! How dare you stomp on our culture!

Besides, it's not exactly war crimes, and kittens are not humanity, so it's not crimes against humanity either


But by destroying cuteness you are destroying a needed resource for this planet! Thus a crime against humanity, and a war crime.
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Does off-topicness count when the OP is instigating and participating it it?

Wow what type neighbor bursts into your room when they think your watching porn? Also, has he done this before?
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri May 18, 2012 9:57 am

This thread has >135ppd
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Spirit of Hope wrote:Wow what type neighbor bursts into your room when they think your watching porn? Also, has he done this before?

It's for the lols - something happened at a party I was at last year, though they were having sex not watching porn :') To be fair, my sound system was on loud, and it does sound like moaning...
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Postby Ruinous Powers » Fri May 18, 2012 11:01 am

The "main military" extends into two branches.

Chaos Space Marines hold a much more warped, terrifying version of the Bolter that is held by their non-Chaos Worshiping former brothers.

Followers of Slaanesh use a "Blastmaster."

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And then the Blastmaster:
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And then the Chaos cultists. Horribly warped former Humans who now fanatically serve (and fear) the Ruinous Powers. They are commonly equipped with lasweaponry:

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Postby Galla- » Fri May 18, 2012 11:03 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Bafuria wrote:
It would be easier than clubbing this guy here though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM2f0vOxcFc

Aaaaaaw he's eating the snow! ^_^

My neighbour burst in my room thinking I was watching porn when I was watching that :meh:


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Postby Indeos » Fri May 18, 2012 12:43 pm

New Corda wrote:But fricasseed kitten burger is our national dish! Along with beer and whiskey! How dare you stomp on our culture!

Besides, it's not exactly war crimes, and kittens are not humanity, so it's not crimes against humanity either


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Postby Purpelia » Fri May 18, 2012 12:45 pm

Purpelia wrote:Random question of the day time!

I was looking for rifle grenades recently, trying to find some data to help me design a new one to augment my arsenal when my search took me to world.guns.ru. There I ran into something quite interesting. And after a while of searching I ran into this: http://ebookbrowse.com/soviet-taubin-40 ... d140335000

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3) Can anyone find me more data about it?

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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 12:48 pm

So, I've swapped the WASR over to using the five-round magazine that came with my Arsenal. I'll be using it when hunting for a couple reasons. The first of which being, of course, that it's an Arsenal mag and not a TAPCO magazine. The second of which being that it actually matches the finish and isn't some waffle-mag wanna-be that snags on everything and is incapable of fitting in the Arsenal. Looks real nice, too.

EDIT: Off to reconstruct my firing range since it has to look civilized for Sunday. ;)
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Postby Imperial isa » Fri May 18, 2012 2:14 pm

I saw on a YouTube video a Mosin Mine Detector image
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 2:17 pm

Imperial isa wrote:I saw on a YouTube video a Mosin Mine Detector image



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Postby Sevvania » Fri May 18, 2012 2:22 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Imperial isa wrote:I saw on a YouTube video a Mosin Mine Detector image



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I don't think I understand.
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Postby Auttumn » Fri May 18, 2012 2:23 pm

Kouralia wrote:Our military uses:
heavy weapon: nuke
normal weapon: ak47s and snipers with poison in the bullet
melee weapon: a light electric sword, with poisonous or stunning blades, with a small club as a handle


Totally legit weapons, am I rite?



No. The Kouralian military uses the SA12 System. Primarily a 7x43mm assault rifle, it is also used in it's LSW/LMG form, it's Carbine format, it's Sniper rifle form and with grenade launchers.
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Well, with that done I can now get down to being a normal regular person on this thread.

wow, and still people are making fun of my stupid post from when i started nationstates -_- i have a bit better knowledge of weapons and military now


uzis are common weapons because they are small and fire a lot of rounds. not much heavy weapons are used but RPG's are used when they are needed. melee weapons include knives and swords. overall, auttumn is a very peaceful nation with a small military and little military interest.
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Postby Galla- » Fri May 18, 2012 2:32 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

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I don't think I understand.


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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 2:33 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

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I don't think I understand.



...it's a photograph of an M91/30 rifle with the mine-detecting attachment.

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Postby Sevvania » Fri May 18, 2012 2:59 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Sevvania wrote:
I don't think I understand.



...it's a photograph of an M91/30 rifle with the mine-detecting attachment.


Right, I wasn't aware they made mine detecting attachments for rifles. o:
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri May 18, 2012 5:20 pm

Is there any reason why machine gun covers don't hinge sideways? Hinging upwards means you have to open it almost fully to dilly about with the belt, especially if that 'dillying about' is reloading, and it increase your weapon's profile.
I mean obviously, your helmet's probably going to stick above it anyway, but every little helps and whatnot. It'll maybe also be more obvious that any sights on your RIS have lost their zero from the cover not being correctly seated - I'm sure a sight canted sideways is going to be easier to notice than a sight canted up or down.

For anyone designing a machine gun, this is win.

On that note, my SAW-3 Kodkod GPMG is now definitely a right-feeding, bottom-ejecting M240 clone with a PKP stock.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 5:23 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Is there any reason why machine gun covers don't hinge sideways? Hinging upwards means you have to open it almost fully to dilly about with the belt, especially if that 'dillying about' is reloading, and it increase your weapon's profile.
I mean obviously, your helmet's probably going to stick above it anyway, but every little helps and whatnot. It'll maybe also be more obvious that any sights on your RIS have lost their zero from the cover not being correctly seated - I'm sure a sight canted sideways is going to be easier to notice than a sight canted up or down.

For anyone designing a machine gun, this is win.

On that note, my SAW-3 Kodkod GPMG is now definitely a right-feeding, bottom-ejecting M240 clone with a PKP stock.
I lament that the pistol grip I drew by hand is so sexy and yet I cannot recreate it in Paint.


I imagine it's so it fully exposes the internals rather than exposing most of them "except this one side where you have to stick your finger in there."

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri May 18, 2012 5:25 pm

It would still expose everything, just that one side would be completely open. I'm thinking that what we would consider the feed cover on any machine gun literally just opening sideways, instead of up, and maybe hinged to allow ~135 degrees of opening? That way, everything is still opened (on a real M240, it would have to hinge to the right, on mine it would hinge to the left), and if anything the feed tray is more open that with a top-opening hinge.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 5:30 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:It would still expose everything, just that one side would be completely open. I'm thinking that what we would consider the feed cover on any machine gun literally just opening sideways, instead of up, and maybe hinged to allow ~135 degrees of opening? That way, everything is still opened (on a real M240, it would have to hinge to the right, on mine it would hinge to the left), and if anything the feed tray is more open that with a top-opening hinge.



Perhaps it's just easier to put a hinge in that location than it is on the side.


I don't know. What I do know, however, is CIVLIAN BERYL AKS ARE HERE!

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri May 18, 2012 5:39 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:It would still expose everything, just that one side would be completely open. I'm thinking that what we would consider the feed cover on any machine gun literally just opening sideways, instead of up, and maybe hinged to allow ~135 degrees of opening? That way, everything is still opened (on a real M240, it would have to hinge to the right, on mine it would hinge to the left), and if anything the feed tray is more open that with a top-opening hinge.



Perhaps it's just easier to put a hinge in that location than it is on the side.


I don't know. What I do know, however, is CIVLIAN BERYL AKS ARE HERE!

I'm sceptical of that bolt hold back feature. Wouldn't it mean that the dust cover function of the AK pattern selector would no longer be possible?
It would also require you to activate your safety while reloading. Sure, it's what you'd be trained to do, but who does?
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Postby Mosasauria » Fri May 18, 2012 5:44 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Is there any reason why machine gun covers don't hinge sideways? Hinging upwards means you have to open it almost fully to dilly about with the belt, especially if that 'dillying about' is reloading, and it increase your weapon's profile.
I mean obviously, your helmet's probably going to stick above it anyway, but every little helps and whatnot. It'll maybe also be more obvious that any sights on your RIS have lost their zero from the cover not being correctly seated - I'm sure a sight canted sideways is going to be easier to notice than a sight canted up or down.

For anyone designing a machine gun, this is win.

On that note, my SAW-3 Kodkod GPMG is now definitely a right-feeding, bottom-ejecting M240 clone with a PKP stock.
I lament that the pistol grip I drew by hand is so sexy and yet I cannot recreate it in Paint.

That video has made me appreciate how complex of machines firearms are. And how I can never hope to engineer one in real life.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri May 18, 2012 5:55 pm

You just need to watch it a few times.
I was about to ask basically how the machine gun manages to load and also how one reloads - then remembered I ought to rewatch that and it answered all my questions immediately. It looks far more complex than it actually is, but consider that this entire 4:13 video is supposed to happen up to a thousand times a minute, at high temperatures and high pressures.

Frankly, I think the fact that this is an open-bolt belt-fed weapon massively complicates it, because the bolt and piston start rearward, are sent forwards by trigger pull, strip the bullet from its feed links and then rotate the feed ramp to actuate the feed pawls (moving the belt one link on and ejecting the link of the now-loaded round), fire, unlock the bolt with the piston, extract and eject the cartridge through the bottom, the bolt continues rearward and stops, unless the trigger is held down.
In a rifle, the bolt starts rearward (assuming bolt hold back), is automatically sent forwards to chamber a round under its spring ready by unlocking the bolt from the rear, fires on trigger pull, is sent rearward by its action following bolt unlocking, picks another round from the magazine as it continues rearward, moves forwards again under spring tension and repeats, unless the trigger is released in which case the bolt will remain forwards, round chambered.

I thought that cycling the bolt on a machine gun to unload its belt would cause a round to chamber, until I realised that doing so would send the bolt rearwards and lock it back, leaving the first round of the belt unloaded and still attached to the belt on its link - having not touched a round, since the bolt starts and ends rearward.
It's also probably why you never see closed-bolt belt fed weapons.

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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 6:12 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

Perhaps it's just easier to put a hinge in that location than it is on the side.


I don't know. What I do know, however, is CIVLIAN BERYL AKS ARE HERE!

I'm sceptical of that bolt hold back feature. Wouldn't it mean that the dust cover function of the AK pattern selector would no longer be possible?
It would also require you to activate your safety while reloading. Sure, it's what you'd be trained to do, but who does?


The bolt hold-open is only there for jamming issues. If it jams, you can just pull the bolt back and throw the safety on instead of trying to hold it back by hand and shake everything loose that's stuck in there. It's manually operated, so it would not effect the manual of arms in any way, shape, or form. AKs are reloaded with the bolt closed, then the bolt is pulled rearwards and let go: same here. It does kind of negate the point of it being a dust cover, but the receiver is so spacious that, if you did get small amounts of dust and debris in it, all you'd really have to do is remove your magazine and shake the dirt out of the magazine well: I've done that before. It's only real beneficial purpose would be for clearing jams. It also appears that the metal they cut "off" was re-welded onto it to create another tab for your trigger finger to rest on, allowing the firer to switch to "fire" without removing their hand from the pistol grip (similar to a mod I plan to do shortly since I just found selector levers for $20). The other benefit (though not its original purpose) is that people can now bring their AKs to more gun ranges; some of them require the bolt to be back while on the table during a cease fire. With a bolt hold-open like this (or the Krebs), it makes it that much easier to clearly show your weapon is empty. Some people use empty shell casings wedged between the chamber and bolt face, though, and that works well enough for some places, however.

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri May 18, 2012 6:17 pm

Well, I guess that would hold the bolt back.
If they discriminated against AK users and didn't permit them because they have no bolt-hold-back, I imagine they wouldn't be all that popular.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 6:22 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Well, I guess that would hold the bolt back.
If they discriminated against AK users and didn't permit them because they have no bolt-hold-back, I imagine they wouldn't be all that popular.


People have found ways to keep their bolts back by using a shell casing or whatever, but having a legit hold-open device such as that would eliminate pretty much any possibilities of an overly-strict range officer starting a fuss about it. Also doubles as a handy little thing to aid in clearing jams.

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Postby Mosasauria » Fri May 18, 2012 6:40 pm

So I was reading the comments and descriptions of some of Sparky's stuff on Deviantart. And I'm really disappointed. Especially with the people discussing the Blitzfighter.

None of them seem to take politics, economics, logistics, or human life into account.

They're all proposing it as some kind of wonderful zerg rush fighter that goes in swarms and opens up the area for the better, more-expensive aircraft. Except for the fact that even with these planes being cheap, you're still talking massive losses of millions of dollars of aircraft and equipment. You won't be getting any more use out of an plane that's been trashed by the enemy's guns, of which could easily destroy the Blitzfighter.
Not to mention the fact that you'd be losing trained fighters in droves.
It's like they're stuck in WWII thinking, that numbers=superiority, when that is clearly no longer true. Maybe Numbers~Superiority, but it does not equal it. Better technology, intelligence, and training does, however. But fuck that shit, because kamikaze attacks!!11!!1 :palm:
Even funnier is when one guy tried to make a pass about North Korea, China, and Iran possibly using some kind of Blitzfighter doctrine:
Let's just hope that Iran, North Korea or even better - China doesn't take the idea...

To which I responded:
Because Iran and North Korea obviously have the facilities to manufacture something like this, right? Despite the fact that Iran is still struggling to create nuclear power to bolster its economy, and North Korea obviously makes the best weapons and can clearly afford something like this.
And besides, China's working on the J-20.

To which, the guy replies:
Yep, imagine that hundred of Chinese, Iranian and North Korean "Blitzfighter" wreaking havoc upon Hormuz Strait, Korean DMZ or US Second Fleet. The Blitz would be shoot down in droves, but the damage they did clearly bought back their cost. Not to mention that they could act as a shield for more advanced aircraft like Iranian F-16, North Korean Mig-29 and Chinese J-20 move in for the kill...

Not only does he clearly show a lack of understanding of international politics, but he seems to forget that despite the fact that the Blitzfighter would be cheap, it would still be very, very expensive, not exclusively being monetary cost, to launch mass-kamikaze attacks with them. Iran/China/DPRK would be losing many, many pilots in such endeavors, which would mean less proper training in the struggle to replace them, which would in turn lead to more casualties, less success, and poor pilot performance.
Long story short, what they propose are bad ideas.
But then again, what do any of us expect from those who follow/believe Sparky?
I just don't understand how people can consider him some kind of great military tactician after reading his 'strategies' and ideas. :palm:
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